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You really believe this? You actually think that the people out there committing fraud will stop being scumbags and will suddenly become useful members of society? You obviously underestimate the greed, laziness, and stupidity of dirtbags everywhere. Lucky, have you ever worked directly with the government on anything in your life? Or are you one of those people who has not actual experience beyond being dissatisfied with services provided? (which make me wonder, since you're not happy with the job they do now, what makes you think they'll do better with more money, more responsibility, and more red tape? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Wait...wait...wait...wait...wait....ARE YOU SAYING THAT GOVERNMENT SYSTEMS AND THE BUREAUCRACY AREN'T CORRUPT AND THERE ISN'T FRAUD???!!! And here is the heart of the matter. For some reason, socialists like Lucky are unable to imagine that an all powerful government could do anything they don't approve of. I wonder what it would take to beat it through a socialist's skull that if you give the government the power to take away another person's freedoms and choices, then that government has the power to take away THEIR freedoms and choices. All for the greater good, of course. [queu the sycophantic chorus: "the greater good"] I guess they all have such delusions of grandeur and believe so powerfully that their position is obviously the only right one that every person everywhere must agree with them or there is something dangerously wrong with the other person. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, at least Lucky is willing to admit that he is a fascist and doesn't have any respect for human rights or quality of life or the environment. That make him the most honest "progressive" I've ever met. By the way Lucky, China is a Fascist state. Do try to keep up. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I've been wondering for years why everyone seems to think that it's a good idea to get everything in the world all linked together and so co-dependant that if one things fails we are all FUCKED. I'd really prefer my country be strong enough to survive a serious war or a nasty economic disaster on the other side of the globe, but I don't have much hope for either situation. Land with source of clean water... expensive Solar panels... expensive Plants and animals that privde for my family... expensive Giving up the comfortable shit we don't really need... painful Peace of mind... Priceless. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf A far as laws go, it's not that hard to read, either. And because there is not better descriptor, that dip-shit-lomat is justa big bag of suck. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I went to TSC last week to drop off my rig for a reserve repack. No one answered the phone, despite it being during "open" hours. I dropped my rig with a rigger. It was nice weather, plenty of time for at least one more load, but no jumpers, and no staff on site except for the rigger. EVERYONE was gone. On a Friday. OK, first time, I cut them a break and figured I'd check it out a second time. So I went back today. The parking area was full. One RV and maybe twenty cars, and I couldn't put my car anywhere. I sat and waited for someone to leave, and then went inside. I walked up to the desk and they looked at me like I was bothering them before I even said 'hi.' I asked about getting current after not jumping, and they threw out a number over $300. I said thanks but I wouldn't be doing that today, but asked about my rig. They acted like the rigger didn't work for them and it wasn't their problem. When I reminded them that I paid the rigger with my credit card through their desk, they said 'oh, he's out to lunch, try later.' They never even asked me my name, introduced themselves, or offered to show me around. And best(worst) of all, it wasn't busy while they ignored me. When I went into the hanger, there were five distinct groups all ignoring each other. No one bothered to say hi. When I asked what was up, one person turned and walked away. Another just said "wind hold" and then went to get a soda. This place has no parking, no room for RVs or camping, and no good area for jumpers to hang out when the weather is up or the sun is down. I will never be going back to this DZ. It's only about 25 minutes from my house, but I'd rather drive some place where I'm welcome.

Very true. Plus we should remember that 75% of people wouldn't know a Pit Bull if it jumped up and bit them on the ass. (I couldn't resist) Most people are terrible with breed recognition, even self-proclaimed dog people. No joke, I dealt with a lady on Sunday who called in a vicious dog attack on her son by a Pit Bull. When I got there, I found the lady and one of her sons who had scrapes on his knee and elbow that looked like he fell down. I asked where the dog was. She pointed to a back yard with a golden retriever in it. I was concerned for the golden's well being, but not seeing any immediate danger, I got her information and then asked her if her son had already been taken to the hospital. She called me non-complimentary descriptors and stated that her son was right in front of me. I asked what happened and she said the dog jujmped the fence bit her son shook him and threw him to tehe ground. I asked the boy what happened and he said he wanted to say hi to the doogy and went up to the fence. the doggy licked him and when his mother screamed at him to get back (she wasn't watching very well, was she) he fell over on the sidewalk. I was about to leave when the woman started screaming at me again. The dog had his front paws on the fence and was licking the mailman's hand. She wanted me to shoot the dog. I walked over, left him lick my hand, scratced his ears, and left. He was the only dog in the yard. The woman called my supervisor to complain that I let a vicious Pit Bull run loose. He asked me WTF, so I drove him to the house. He pet the dog and met the owner. The woman came out screaming. My supervisor told the woman to shut up and go away or he'd deal with the only problem he saw, disturbing the peace by a possible EDP. Unfortunately, this is not as rare as you'd hope. I can't remember the last dog bite that wasn't reported as a Pit Bull. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Professor, you remember the old quote about holding a wolf by the ears? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

He can't tell the Onion from serious Jounalism. Do you really expect him to differentiate between hard core interventionist neo-con policies and the Libertarian viewpoint? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Bill, that was great. I needed that after reading (wincing) my way through this thread. I can't decide which was more disturbing, the little voice in my head crying out "what the fuck have people come to," or the ringling brothers circus theme bouncing around behind the voice... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You're missing a dose of reality. Gang bangers and drug dealers. Felons. They are prohibited from possessing firearms anyway. And the ones that aren't convicted felons yet, they are still prohibited form carrying concealed. And they are certainly already prohibited from shooting at people and occupied buildings, just like the rest of us. Remember, these are the scumbags that shoot each other, and sometimes decent folks too. You think the GFSZ law convicnces them not to carry guns? Get real. They are willing to commit felonies and acts of violence. Do you really believe a "don't carry here law" disuades them? I doubt there has ever been a prosecution under this law that didn't include other felony charges. This law was nothing other than feel-good look-what-I-did legislation. Utter nonsense. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Six years from conviction to needle is a short length of time compared to most death sentences. Of course, most folks think six minutes after arrest was too long to wait to execute this particular piece of scum... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

There's a difference between knowing something can happen and being afraid of it. Just ask any law enforcement officer, or stalking/domestic violence victim. I don't go a around afraid of a vehicle crash, but I drive a big, safe vehicle and wear a seat belt. I don't go around afraid of bodily injury, but I carry a serious first aid kit in both my vehicles. Etc, etc, etc. You're quoting Michael Moore. Honestly, I should stop listening to you at all, but I know you better than that. Quoting Michael Moore on fear, violence, and reality is like quoting the Aryan Nation on race relations in America or the Khmer Rouge or Hitler on practices of good government. Again, I don't walk around afraid of it, but there's always that chance... Besides, who said all they're thinking about is a VaTech/Fort Hood incident? Armed robberies happen. Strong arm robberies/muggings happen. Burglaries into occupied homes happen. Random assaults on strangers happen. None of them have happened to me, and I hope they never do, but should I just hope that based on the numbers they never will? Or is it reasonable to learn techniques and skills to protect myself, including with various tools? My knife and carry gun are smaller and weigh less than my wallet and mobile phone. Don't think we're altering lifestyles and going through some massive inconvenience to carry. It's not a decision to be made lightly, but after a few weeks it only feels strange if you're NOT carrying. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I don't disagree with most of what you said, but you missed on some facts. There have been many black or dark skin-toned serial killers, spree killers, and mass murderers. For one reason or another, they don't tend to be sensationalized the way white serial killers do. Call it racism, marginalization, or any other fancy word. Just don't say that serial killers and mass murderers are white. Henry Louis Wallace Matthew Emanuel Macon Jimmie Reed Shelly Brooks Justin Blackshere Jervon Miguel Coleman Brian Ranard Davis Paul Durousseau Mark Goudeau Coral Eugene Watts Anthony McKnight Derrick Todd Lee Charles Lendelle Carter The Zebra Killings Chester Turner Lorenzo J. Gilyard Eugene Victor Britt Reginald and Jonathan Carr Ray Joseph Dandridge and his uncle, Ricky Gevon Gray The Tinley Park Murderer Charles Johnston Craig Price Harrison Graham Charles Lee “Cookie” Thornton Darnell Hartsfeld & Romeo Pinkerton John Allen Muhammad & Lee Boyd Malvo George Russell Timothy W. Spencer Elton M. Jackson Carlton Gary Mohammed Adam Omar Kendall Francois Terry A. Blair Wayne Williams Vaughn Greenwood Andre Crawford Calvin Jackson Gregory Klepper Alton Coleman Harrison Graham Cleophus Prince Robert Rozier Maurice Byrd Maury Travis Hulon Mitchell, a.k.a. Yahweh Ben Yahweh Lorenzo Fayne Paul Durousseau Eddie Lee Mosley Henry Lee Jones Richard “Babyface” Jameswhite Donald E. Younge, Jr. Ivan Hill Michael Vernon Chester Dewayne Turner Latina Williams Peter Odighizuwa Mark James Robert Essex Stanley "Tookie" Williams witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Google "Involuntary manslaughter" and "First Degree Murder". The difference between them is what you were thinking leading up to and at the time of the offense; that's my point. That's intent. Intent is not the same thing as motivation. Whether you meant to kill someone is far more important than why you wanted to kill them, though I suppose they both fall under the category of "what you were thinking." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Hey, come on, he doesn't hate white folks, in fact he likes white women so much he wants to sleep with them, whether they agree or not, and if they resist, he crushes their face like an egg and hits them so hard he forces their jaw into the rear of their skull, cutting off blood flow to the brain. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

don't feed the trolls witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

His data was fine, though very limited. Your interpretation was flawed. See my post above. (did you really not think you were making a huge leap to imply that the data he mentioned could be expanded and applied nationwide over a year's time?) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

[challenge] You're REALLY going to have to back that one up with some evidence. [/challenge] witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Of for fuck sake, you have got to be kidding me. You think that if a gun is laying around, people will just fly off the handle and commit murder. If a person has such poor impulse control and no safety net to prevent them from harming another person over a simple argument, do you think the won't use other items as weapons? What, a gun around means they'll kill someone, but a knive or blunt object or any other dangerous item means they will thnk about the consequences? Come on man. What does a gun free zone accomplish, other than ensuring that people who will not commit crime are not armed? The monsters walking our street willing to commit violent felonious attacks are not dissuaded by a minor law about where they can carry a gun. Countless criminals have stated they look for easy victims. What's easier, a place where no one is armed, or a place where people might be armed? And consider the real world experience of people who actually deal with violent criminals, instead of the worldview you choose to take as reality. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Why??? You really ask THAT? Even the very last idiot knows how quick weapons kill. Is it that wonderful to walk in the streets beeing aware that every step could be the last? The neighbour next door lost control of his temper and is shooting like a fool? You gun lovers really lost "ground grip". Well I guess I'm less than the very last idiot. Knives kill. Cars are used in homicides. Google "Steven Abrams" and "Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center." Hell, pencils and dumbbells are used to kill people. Should we ban all those things? Some people kill others with their bare hands. Should we all have fluffy mittens surgically attached at birth? Who gives a damn what the murderer uses to kill his victims? It is a horrible crime and should be punished. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

My point in replying to you is that I don't understand why people focus on firearms attacks and murders instead of all attack and murders. People killed by knives, cars, and pointy sticks are still just as dead. If Buford Furrow hadn't used a gun, would we care about him? I suggest that people who want to ban guns would not. Afterall, how many people, even those who study mass killings, know the name of Steven Abrams? (of Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center fame, in Costa Mesa, Calif) Anyone who knows anything about mass murder knows about the Jewish Daycare/Community Center shooting in L.A. Who's ever heard of the SECLC daycare in Costa Mesa? I was at teh scene of a pencil murder not long ago. That's right, pencil. The killer attacked his victim with another weapon, and when the weapon was disabled, the killer grabbed a pencil and killed the victim. Is the victim any less dead? My question to you is simple: Do you think removing all guns from the USA would have much effect on the violent attack and homicide rates? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Wow, fewer firearms available correlates with fewer firearms deaths. Shocker. Why do people who area afraid of firearms woory so much more about firearms deaths than other deaths. I'd be far more interested if that chart compared firearms numbers to overall murder and suicide numbers. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Bill, normally I can at least respect your contributions as logical, well thought out, and defensible even if I disagree. But for this one, you're out in la la land. You really need to brush up on the difference between a concealed carry permit (called CHL, CWP, CHP, CCW, and others) and a simple permit to purchase (officially deemed "not prohibited" from buying a firearm). By the way, a permit to purchase requirement at the local/county level is a joke, because most Sheriffs will just run a person through NCIC and a pending crimes check, which is about the same thing any firearms retailer will do. If you really want to run with just the numbers in this thread, then 0% of shooters had concealed carry permits, and the rest of your numbers are pointless. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I was invted to Shabbat not long ago with a new friend. An interesting event. The next day we attended a JPFO meeting. THAT was an eye opener. These were folks who said "Never Again" and meant it. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*