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Key word: compelled. Look it up. No. If that is "no I don't think they should be allowed to question anyone" then you just removed yourself from the reasonable discussion. If that is "no I think they should be allowed to question people" (and I don't think it is) then my question to you is "when?" Irrelevant. Not really. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Here's the cheese.... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I can't understand why the Republicans have such a problem with dirtbags having rights. You know, I just figured out why you two are having such a hard time with this. You expect someone else to do everything for you and provide the world on a silky pillow witha satin bow (the essence of being Far Left). So you actually expect someone else to exercise your rights for you, as well. Just so there is no misunderstanding (except by you two, because that's what you do), I believe in individual rights, including being allowed to make a mistake. It's hard to find an individual right that I don't support. I can't say the same for you two. So which of us has problems with people having rights? Hint: it's not me. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Not true in this country at all. The police can ask you questions. If you incriminate yourself, it's your own fault. You have the right not to answer. You have the right to have an atorney present. If you choose not to exercise those rights, it is your own fault. Do you think police should not be allowed to question anyone? Have you ever done a ride-along with your local police department or spoken with an officer when they weren't investigating you or one of your associates? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

And I think this is the key to the disagreement with the decision. Should rights be assumed, or must they be requested? How far do we go to protect the rights of the stupid and improvident? Rights are supposed to be inherent, not something that is granted, but something that belongs to us without asking. That is my point exactly. He answered questions, then wants to go back and say he wanted to remain silent. It's one more case of a dirtbag wanting to change to facts after the case. ANd in this case, he was a dirtbag. No one is asking for proof that you have the right to remain silent. If you want to own guns, you have to go out and buy them, right? Non one is going to deliver them to your doorstep because they believe your right is automatically being exercised. You ahve to make the choice to go out and get them. Same thing with remaining silent. If you want to do it, you have to do it. No one is going to exercise your rights for you. You have to do it yourself. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You're dodging questions again. If you think poloice must always assume a person is invoking their right to remain silent, when can they ever interview a suspect? How is it denying a right if a person chooses not to exercise if after being advised that it exists? If you think a right should be assumed to automatically be invoked, do you think all police interviews without a lawyer present are unconstitutional? After all, isn't it "denying" a right (in your opinion) to make them ask for a lawyer? Should all poilice interviews be forbidden unless a lawyer is there? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

It falls under the due process clause of the fifth, and later comes in under the sixth. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

They don't have to be, they only have to be Mirandized if the cops/prodsecutor wants to admit evidence. Close but not quite. A suspect only has to be mirandized if (A) they are in custody and (B) the police want to ask them questions about the crime. ...the suspect doesn't have to be Mirandized, as you said they must before arrest. Where did he say that? I didn't, but Lucky's not one to let the facts get in the way of an argument. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Congratulations, you have made two claims about another poster without substantiating them. You claimed I am 'the right' and that I changed my position regarding government funding. Have you got anything to back up either one? At all? Or have you reverted back to annonying little claims and tid-bits thrown out without explanation or examples? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Are you feeling lazy or something today? Generally you at least read a post and respond. You're getting repetative. Yes, they have rights. It's their own responsibility to exercise them. For another example (that att htis point I'm guessing you will just ignore): If you stay home and never go out and talk about your position, and never write anyone about your position, and never in any way broadcast or otherwise make your position known, are you being denied your right to freedom of speech? No. You are simply not excerising it. Same thing goes for requesting a lawyer at a custodial interview. Same thing goes for remaining silent and ending an interview. Why does only one of them bother you? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Professor, have you ever known me to not support law enforcement, or believe they should be paid better and supported more by their administrators? I'd love for you to find an example of that. Ask AggieDave if you need help, he's been in some of the same threads as I have. I also don't appreciate being lumped into "The Right." Haven't we disagreed often enough for you to realize that I am a fairly intelligent human being, which is damn near mutually exclusive to believing either party line 100%? I'm sure you've seen me state that while not necessarily a Libertarian, have significant libertarian leanings. edit to add: However, believing local and state law enforcement is worth more than they are generally paid does not mean I think our federal government isn't bloated far beyond what is constitutional or financially feasible. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

They don't have to be, they only have to be Mirandized if the cops/prodsecutor wants to admit evidence. Close but not quite. A suspect only has to be mirandized if (A) they are in custody and (B) the police want to ask them questions about the crime. Anything the dirtbag says can still be submited into evidence even if he was not Mirandized as long as it was said (1) before he was in custody or (2) the police do not ask question to bring about incriminating statments. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Professor, he is not being denied his rights. That's where your word choice makes your objection irrelevant. He is not being denied his rights. He still has the right. But he must exercise them in order to benefit from them. Let's use your little hijack. If a person does not go buy a gun, is he being denied teh right to own guns? No. However if he goes to buy a gun and is stopped, then he is being denied his right. Again, apply your logic to the right to counsel. If we went by your standard, then no interviews could ever take place. You have the right to an attorney. If you don't request one, the police are not going to assume you want one. You have to specifically request one. You are not being denied. The police interviewing you have told you about your right. It's up to you to put it into effect. It is even more important to ensure the rights of idiots, since they are generally unable to stand up for themselves. Don't get me wrong. As frustrating as it is, and as much as it is abused, the bueatiful thing about our criminal court system is thtat the most important thing is the defendant's rights. My point was that the dirtbag in question made statements and then wanted to go back and change the story to "right to remaing silent" was denied. It wasn't denied. He just didn't make the best decision (a common trait of crimainls everywhere). And seeing as he was guilty as sin, I feel pretty good about him being behind bars. And seeing as this decision places remaining silent on par with having counsel present, I feel pretty good about that, too. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I'm just sick to death of morons thinking that they have to be read their miranda rights before they can be handcuffed or arrested. I watched a deputy have to throw around and eventually taser a dumbass drunk State student because of this. Oi. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Knowing to look at your feet, answer with "si commandante" or "no commandante," carrying folded $20 bills, and using the phrase "por tu ninos" is the best way to have an easy encounter with Mexican badge bearers. It ain't right, but it makes the world go round. When in meh-hee-kho... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You could make the case for Venezuela being on that list, and on it's way into the shitter. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The Border Patrol has difficulty meeting its recruiting goals. Perhaps a few of the TP folks would volunteer for a 3 year stretch at the border. Nice work environment: desert, 100 degee heat... Yeah, when you pay like the janitor but expect perfection in a physical and dangerous profession, recruiting can be tough. When you have the reputation of not backing your people and occasionally throwing them in prison for doing their job, meeting your recruiting goals can be a real bitch. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The dirtbag is claiming after the fact that he wanted to remain silent, but he answered questions through the interview/interrogation. If he had stayed silent, then he wouldn't have problems. If he had said "I don't want to talk to you," or "I want to remain silent" or anything else, the police would have had to leave him alone until they were ready to process him. He answered the questions. He's an idiot. He deserves the time he got. And all you people bitching about rights being denied to you by default, look at that in the mirror. If every officer automatically assumed that you were invoking your right to remain silent, then they could never interview you or offer you the Miranda warnings. Why bother when you are invoking tem by default? Ridiculous, right? It's the same as the lawyer bit. If you don't clearly ask for a lawyer, then the police are not going to assume you want one.\ Here is a much better brief analysis of the case: Berghuis v. Thompkins witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I remember reading that moron's quote. Yeah, so the Tea Party has idiots like every other. ...OK deap breath... That's the problem with governments spending without worrying about how to pay for things. They've made promises they can't keep. Starting with pensions and ending with, well, I haven't seen and end yet. But you haven't answered me. What freedoms or choices do the TP folks want to take from people and give to government? I don't mean which entitlements do we save and which do we 86. I mean reproductive choice, self defense, etc. They seem largely concenrned with unchecked govt spending, porous borders, recidivist criminals, and a limited constitutional govt. They sound pretty libertarian to me (on the easy issues, anyway). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Ahem, have we forgotten about the DUTCH East India Company? The VOC made a forturne for about two centuries that included a large part of the Triangle Trade. Also, just to keep dreamdancer in fits, let's not forget that the vast amjority of African slaves brought to the Americas were already slaves, and they were traded to the whites. Don't act like the whites went inland with war parties. It's much better business to let the locals sell you their chattel than to fight for it. And just for shits and giggles (and to throw certain folks into fits) let's remember to blame Brazil, since they were a huge importer of African slaves. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

When you figure out what it takes, short of putting a new hole into their head, let me know, because both sides need a serious helping of whatever it takes. By the way, since I'm not 100% up on it, what freedoms or choices are the Tea Party trying to give the government/take away from individuals? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I am comfortable with the reality that some folks will work hard and achieve, some will work hard and fail, some with not work and achieve nothing, and some jackass will not work but will somehow end up ahead. I believe in equal opportunity. I understand that this does not mean everyone deserves equal results. You are not entitled to anything. I also understand that you insist this is based on the color of people's skin. This is completely ridiculous and goes against the facts. I understand that no matter what anyone tells you or shows you, you are going to keep blaming it on Whitey. Finally, I hope that you will open your eyes and see that "black culture" and the "Black community" is largely responsible for holding ITSELF down and preventing success. The worst thing a successful person of any race or color can do is offer freebies to the "needy." Things like affirmative action, welfare, and other programs that give things to people that they didn't earn keep them dependent on those programs and living in squalor. I hope you open you eyes and learn to take (and teach) personal responsibility. It's a much happier existence than depending on someone else to give it to you. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

His entire "solution" shows an astonishing level of ignorance of how the banks and financial systems actually work. And the cash reward? Yeah, that's like Lucky offering a reward for cinvincing him why socialism wouldn't work. All he has to do is ignore the logic (par for the course) and you can't prove it because no government is self destructive enough to do this. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Did you catch the post mentioning Bill Cosby? He's got all the answers you need. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Because he is a racist. I however, once saw a video of a very smart man. He had a dream. It was a dream that one day men would be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I believe very strongly in ths man's dream, and wish more people would. People like dreamdancer hate this idea, and work very strongly agaist this dream, and insist on judging us all by the color of our skin. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*