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And you think this is ok? Removing a person's constitutional rights based on what he might do? Ever heard of [URL "http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_restraint?wasRedirected=true"]Prior Restraint[/URL]? I thought the left was supposed to hate censorship. I guess you'd be ok with taking away all the other constitutional rights to prevent anybody from doing anything bad, eh? I will never get over how socialists think people in power are the problem, but if we just give them more power over our lives, things will be wonderful. Communism/Socialism has never and will never work on a national scale (especially not without massive repression and human right violations). Just look at Russia, Venezuela, China, and others. It's funny how similar communism and fascism are when enacted in the real world. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I've asked several anti-gun posters, who claim they support the right of everyone except felons and loonies to own a gun, just how they define "loony." I specifically asked them if things like visiting a shrink, taking prescribed antidepressants, or vets with PTSD were "loonies" to them. None ever answered. At least we know where the VA stands on the issue. http://www.kfsm.com/news/kfsm-news-rv-iraq-veteran-stripped-of-second-amendment-rights,0,1708919.story witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So you're a drunkard? No, he's the most interesting man in the world. And the world's most boring skydiver. Dos Equis can do that to you. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

No, this problem is a long time in coming. Don't make it left vs right. And considering Ramos and Compean happened during the last administration, I don't have a lot of positive things to say for them, either. The only differences are (A) now the violence is getting worse and (B) it's an election year so they've got to do something they can hold up as an accomplishment to everybody, since several of their "accomplishments" were highly opposed by about half the country. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Jeane, how many jobs are there out there where people want to kill you for what you wear to work? Nearly all officers know that most folks out there really are decent folks, but that any single person they meet might now be. You have any suggestions on how to do that? Officers are just like doctors - most don't want their children to follow in their footsteps, even if it's a family tradition. Paying them like the janitor but expecting them to know law better than a lawyer, couseling better than a shrink, fight better than Jackie Chan, and shoot better than Phoebe Ann Mosey is going to lead to some disconnect between expectations and reality. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

If anyone is able, it would be law enforcement and EMTs. They have to make some of the most important decisions on Earth in a split second, and it has to stand up to the examination of dozens of lawyers who have years to nit pick every little thing. Forget green, it's not easty being blue. In this case, without being there or having audio or somebody stating she made specific comments that led the to believe she was about to kill herself, then I can't say the officers were right or wrong. The fact that they arrested an EMT when no one was injured makes me question their decisions. That seems outside the realm of reasonable to me, without additional info. (could have handled it inter-departmentally via complaint or supervisor sit-down, etc) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yeah, right, except that no you're completely wrong. (

Just in case anyone was working under the impression that it's just my opinion that border patrol is understaffed, underfunded, and unsupported... Border Patrol Joins ICE Agents In Condemning Obama Administration http://www.borderfirereport.net/latest/former-border-patrol-chiefs-join-in-no-confidence-of-upper-management.php Pressure mounts for DHS as 'no confidence' votes continue and border violence grows and so on and so forth... PS- don't think it's limited to border patrol. Not only does the administration not want a fully staffed and functional customs and border security force, not only do they not want locals to do the enforcement job when Feds won't (do I really need to cite the AB 1070 issue?), but apparently the administration doesn't want colleges to even follow the law either. You know, that whole "making sure workers are legally allowed to work in this country" issue. DOJ Sues Public Colleges Over Immigration Rule witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Sorry, Border Patrol, ICE, and DEA don't count as troops. They are law enforcement under DOJ (and maybe DHS). Try apples to apples Bill. Troops are military, you know, DOD, the folks tasked with defending our country. Well I tend to drive close to the speed limit and don't often consider knocking over liquor stores, but I get your point. However, the week point in your analogy is that no one will ever see the troops being sent south. They will be manning posts dozens of miles from the border. Not exactly high visibilty at the point of entry, eh? See, there's that whole "devil is in the details" thing. Or are you going to claim that most folks leaning to the conservative side don't support defense and security spending? Your arguments used to be a lot more sensible. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

"As of September 1st, we will have the technology to ignore more border crossings from 5000 feet than ever before..." [URL]]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100830/ts_nm/us_usa_immigration_security[/url] So when does watching turn into actually stopping them? You know, since they don't want locals making the arrests, and the troops won't make arrests, and the border patrol is terribly understaffed, underfunded, and unsupported by Washington DC. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So a suicidal woman fighting with officers is "a woman lying in the floor of her own home" to you? No threat to anyone? I agree the article sucks based on lack of useful detail. But professionals on the scene, police and EMTs, determined she had to go. She fought the the officers. The EMT was squeamish about them using a taser. The trouble is too many people think wrestling with a person is safer than other use of force options. It's not, especially when the person appears suicidal. Cops do carry guns afterall. If the involuntary commitment was the wrong choice, attack the decision first and them what followed. If it was the right decision, then they were right to tell her she needed to go, right to force her when she resisted, and right to use force to make it happen. Keep in mind that someone fighting with officers is a threat to themselves and others. Using "enough force eraly enough" prevents long drawn out affairs the have a higher probability of someone getting hurt. Since there isn't enough in the article to determine whether involuntary commitment was the right hoice, how can you say the taser was excessive? (unless you're one of those folks who thinks tasers are evil and all use of force is wrong) ps- it's TASER, there's no Z in it. Thomas A Swift's Electric Rifle. For those who don't get the reference, google is your friend. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I was nodding and agreeing with you while I read what you wrote about there not being enough info in the article to make a solid decision one way or the other. Then I got to your last sentence. If you yourself said there isn't enough to know what happened, how can you say it "sounds like another story of excessive police force?" witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well since many of your 613 cannot be followed anymore, and the vast majority of Jews don't follow them anymore, why bother to enumerate them? Tell me Windsor, have you ever shaved your beard with a razor? Cut your hair? Have any tattoos? Ever written the Torah? Burn incense everyday? Shagged before marriage? Eaten shellfish? Eaten fruit from a tree less than three years old? Eaten grapes or drank wine? Married a non-Jew? Borrowed or lent with interest. My personal favorite, even had someone break the neck of a calf by a river valley following an unsolved murder? (by the way it's worth asking all three faiths these questions) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Nope, not a joke this time. Psych Patient involuntarily committed and charged, EMT arrested. http://m.triblive.com/triblive/pm_5906/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=A5A927024BB423162782BBB8A50A8FBE?contentguid=OI4QmMfF http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleynewsdispatch/lifestyles/s_696821.html witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Remember, the first five books are about the only thing Jews, Muslims, and Christians agree on. Jews go by the five books plus other writings and interpretations. Muslims tend to agree that Muhammad is the one great last prophet and the Quran is Allah openning the prophet's eyes and the later ideas outweigh the earlier ones and that submission is most important. Christians believe that Jesus Christ is the one great prophet and the son of god, and that later ideas outweigh earlier ones and that belief and right choice is the most important thing. True believers and theological scholars please feel free to add or correct as necessary. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

There you go, ruining a perfectly good poop flinging session. I happen to agree on pretty much all counts. What I wonder is just how apocalyptic the bin Laden type whackos really are. What I mean is I wonder if they expected the surge in opposition to Islam here in the states. I have to wonder at their end game. You think they're happy that a lot of folks damn near hate the idea of Muslim neighbors? 3000 dead Americans, a hiccup in the stock market, and a few wasted hours for every flyer, a massive campaign to wipe them out, some new recruiting paper. Does that add up to a win in their minds? I know they don't put much (any?) value on human life, rights, or comfort, but the people they hurt most are the average Joes and Janes (Abduls and A'ishahs). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

+1 witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Come on Jeanne, it's a CHALK board! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Why the hell are some folks pissing and moaning about the poll. It's a very simple "which is worse" poll. I didn't ask if there were bigger threats (I believe there are). I didn't ask if one was evil and the other reasonable (I don't believe either is reasonable). I didn't ask if one or the other is within America's control. It's easy folks. Which do you think us a bigger threat to the USA? Silly me I was hoping to actually discuss issues concerning this country, intolerance, national security, international relations, and some Hitler-like and Chamberlain-esque personalities. Ignore this post, it doesn't preach left or right, and doesn't demonize anyone and everyone who disagrees or require lockstep goose stepping agreement. Return to your regularly schedule poop flinging monkey fight of a thread. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Which is the bigger threat to the American way of life? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Congratulations. You found an auto-correct, which I missed, that changed a misspelled "about" into "amour." I'd think even you could figure out what happened. Care to respond to the content of the post beyond a typo, or is it that you've got nothing of substance to say? (of course having nothing worth saying never stopped you from posting before) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Go ahead and find a post where I said the US is becoming like Nazi Germany. Good luck with that one. If you bothered to read my posts, you'd see that I was disagreeing with another poster who made that comparison. Reading comprehension is important to a written discussion, afterall. Andy and I have always agreed that intolerance and fringe whackos are not a good thing. We also agree that freedom of religion and freedom of speech/expression are important. If you'd read closely, you'd see that I simply disagreed that fuckwits burning books in Florida equals the USA becoming Nazi Germany. Personally I don't have a problem with mosques being built where there are people who want to worship in one. Yes, that includes downtown NYC. I'm not a fan of the government having control over religion anymore than I am of government controlling many other aspects of our lives. I don't give a shit if the new WTC building has office space dedicated to some sort of Muslim or Arab outreach organization. In that way the USA is a lot less like Nazis than many Persian and middle eastern countries. Try building a church or synagogue over there and see how that works out for you. If I were to confess something right now it would be opinions amour you that would get me banned. Try to rein in your rabid attack dog posting style in favor of discussion and you might learn something. Who knows, you might even convince someone of something someday. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Really? Tell that to [URL "http://www.google.com/m/search?oe=UTF-8&client=safari&hl=en&aq=f&oq=&aqi=-k0d0t0&fkt=1161&fsdt=4750&q=nj+judge+joseph+charles"]Judge Charles of NJ[/URL]. Imagine how the victim here felt when she found out she couldn't even get a restraining order against her rapist/ex-husband, let Aline secure a conviction in a criminal trial. Judge Charles is a practitioner of Sharia Law? How interesting. I'd use the word disturbing instead of interesting. He is supposed to practice law under New Jersey law and federal law. Instead of keeping it in the legal realm, he considered the man's beliefs and religion, neither of which is relevant to any element of the alleged crimes. He didn't even need to decide of the census happened, only whether a restrainig order was reasonable. He stated, based on the filings from each party, that they probably did. Right there is grounds for a protective order. But instead he went on about what the man thought and excused his actions. He shouldn't have considered sharia law, but he did. Do you understand now? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Really? That's the best you can do? The fact that in the middle of a civil war with acts of genocide on both sides, in the former Yugoslavia, that's your justification for claiming America is like Nazi Germany? Just go home. You're not helping Andy in the least and you're making his (interesting and legitemate) argument look silly. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So now a poor choice of words is the same as burning books and sending folks to gas chambers and bog ovens? Wow, that's a stretch even for you. And as far as I know, no Jews or other persecuted group had recently killed 3000+ noncombatants in Berlin. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*