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The way it works: local or state authorities arrest a suspect. If they think he is illegal they refer it to ICE, or if they have 287g at the jail they check themselves. If the suspect merits deportation, he gets a hearing date (most arrests don't merit deportation according to ICE). Most are bonded out on the local charges and released on own recognizance concerning the immigration hearing. At that point they are released. The state charges are handled completely separately from immigration issues. The state handles the criminal charges. The Feds (don't) handle the immigration. The most common path chosen by illegals is to handle the criminal charges and just avoid the immigration hearing. Or if they gave no ties to an area, they go get a new identity and avoid both the state charge and the federal hearing. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Who said the rapist was black? I'm here for you if you need to talk through some issues... Yeah, I wouldn't leave my kids alone with pastors, scout leaders, or guys who dress like santa. I call it prudent action. Afterall, as much as people bitch and moan about profiles, they do tend to work. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Illegals are undocumented workers the same way crack dealers are undocumented pharmacists. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You mean like this? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Exactly the issue, well put. This is why some places are committing sexual predators to mental health institutions because they have served their prison time but still present a clear and present danger to society. Murderers and thugs, druggies and theives, they all can conceivably change or be changed. Molesters and rapists, not so much. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Exactly. It's a comforting thought to keep criminals in jail before trial, right up until you put some thought into it and realize that it doesn't (and shouldn't) work that way. Our system is great because it protects the rights of the accused. It's not a feel-good fact, and you don't generate votes for saying it, but them's the facts, Jack. edit Just remeber: we have the worst justice system in the world, except for all the others! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I guess Orange County CA cares about them... http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/15/california-rewards-child-molester/ witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

America has taught the world that the distinction between legal and illegal is completely immaterial. The only thing that matters is who has the bigger gun. (or bomb, or plane, or ship etc). ... that's gonna smart I doubt it - it is already too far over the stupid line.

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Not really. Domestics have to do it in a bunch of places. In North Carolina domestic arrests are held until they see a superior court judge (second level as described above) or for 48 hours, which ever comes first. Some felonies have similar rules in a few jurisdictions. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Somebody beat you to it. Site busted, see story witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yeah, and that central park jogger deserved it! We all know rapsist run rampant around there, and she was wearing tight skimpy clothes! Actions have consequences! [/sarcasm] witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You left out an important option (the correct one) [ ] Politicians from both parties have been going this way for decades witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

This is more proof that we need to give real teeth and penalties to the DWI laws, and we need to start taking "fleeing and eluding" type charges seriously. Simple solution: make any DWI after the first conviction a felony. Pass a state law that for any DWI arrest while another DWI is pending there will be no bond until appearing before a judge (not a magistrate or first level judge, but one that hears felonies and has jury trials). Then make fleeing from the cops in a car a high level felony with a fifteen year minimum. See how many want to try their luck running then. The ones that do deserve to be locked up for a decade or more. Of course, it'll never happen because all the lawyers, judges, and legislators know that if they are ever arrested for anything it is likely to be DWI, so they want to leave themselves as much wiggle room as possible while foisting bullshit on the courts so they can look "tough on crime." edit to add (A) Notice nothing above says anything should be different for hispanics, legal or illegal than it is for everyone else. (B)This reminds me of the incident where another guy (also illegal as it happens) killed a nun in Prince William County, VA. Ah, here it is. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

That's because any democrat not in lockstep with the party tends to get called things far more insulting than centrist. Zell Miller and some down home democrats come to mind. Traitor, DINO, bible thumping red neck, fascist - yeah, not exactly complimentary. Of course, them being past tense and all.... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I've seen an instructor shoot like that twice. Both times it was a dumbass student whobdidnt listen to basics, couldn't shoot for shit, and blamed the gun. Instructornshot fine, but when the dumbasses argued, he turned it upside down and still hit in the X ring at 10 yards. Some people just weren't meant to carry guns. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So . . . legislation against already illegal weapons is bad? Gun running of illegal weapons is good? It depends on who you call a gun runner. If you mean "straw buyers" then you know from posts here I strongly support forceful prosecution of people who traffic firearms to criminals and who lie on Form 4473. If you mean gun shops who sell lots of guns,very few of which eventually end up in criminal hands, I disagree. Remember this was around the time when certain groups thought it was a good idea to sue gun shops and gun makers out of existence. I quoted the article, and you managed to find one gun related sentence that isn't damning to your contension. Nothing to say about the rest of the article, or the part where he said he supported banning guns or making every shotgun and muzzleloader illegal? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Hopefully he's in an undisclosed location being interrogated in an enthusiastic and effective manner. Anyway, educated nutjob is nothing new. For recent proof look at the most recent military base shooting. I think most of us would consider medical doctors to be highly educated. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Now that's a special kind of stupid, even among a group known for idiocy. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Actually he's talking sense. The federal reserve is neither federal, nor does it have any reserves. They simply create money out of thin air. Anytime a government does that, it eventually comes down to its true value: zero. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

A big change from the face he put on in Chicago. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Point 1: Holy fuck you two have to chill out with each other! Take it down a notch or twenty. Point 2: Google is my friend http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1 http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30389664/ His Change.gov website (while president-elect) specifically mentioned the assault weapons ban. When folks saw it and threw a shit fit, the page disappeared, but someone pulled up pictures from google's storage, and found it. Then again, there's always his history. You know, like: (A)voting against gun rights and gun industry 100% of the time while in Illinois Senate and US Senate. (B)He was on the board of the Joyce Foundation. For those not aware, between 2000 and 2008 the Joyce Foundation provided over $15 Million in funding to radical gun control organizations such as the Violence Policy Center and the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. (C): (D)In 1999, Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would have effectively punished gun owners for buying guns and ammunition. (E)He also stated he believed the WDC gun laws (effectively bans) were constitutional. And so on. So tell me, is the man a liar, or is he only failing to go after guns because he's having so much trouble elsewhere? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You know you won't hear me decrying the evil brown people and how they are supposed to be killing this country. What does concern me is what's happening to hospitals and social services along the border. Mexico got out of the social services business years ago, leaving folks to look elsewhere. You realize people who are trying to get into the country illegally don't generally go to the local police when their coyotes screw with them, right? Do you really think El Paso, which shares part of its border with Ciudad Juarez, is as safe as you make it? I mean, hey, I love this country and think it's great, but you don't rub shoulders with "Murder City" without some spilling over. El Paso is also the most patrolled border/port of entry in the country. Then you've got Phoenix, AZ becoming the kidnapping capital of the US, closing national lands, violence against tribal people on the reservation, ranchers being attacked on their own land, massacres happening on a weekly basis, torture and killing of journalists, musicians, and law enforcement, and hey, who wouldn't want to raise kids there? On a more serious note, anyone with the inclination can find stories of cross-border skirmishes, banditos, rustlers, famous/infamous lawmen of dubious legality, and all kinds of colorful characters. You can't argue there hasn't always been violence and crime along the border. The difference lies in large part with the drug trends and GATT and NAFTA. The Mexican economy tanked, the US started the "Drug War," and Miami and the Carribean ratcheted up their patrol. All that (plus classic Mexican corruption) leads to people with no hope and nothing to lose. And is things really are hunky-dory on our side while the south sides goes to hell, why was Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu telling reporters in June 2010 that "violence against law enforcement officers and U.S. citizens has increased in the past four months, further underscoring the need to keep the 80 miles of border land off-limits to Americans?" Why did President Calderon say ""I am well aware that over the past year, violence has worsened. But we must battle on."" Take out your right wing comments and apply this to government in general, and I would agree. Right and left just tell people to be afraid of different things. Both want more power. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yep, well, I guess all those whacky fringe right nutjobs managed to elect enough representatives supportive of gun rights to prevent a presidents agenda from going too far that way. But would you say this administration supports gun rights, or would you instead say that they are having too much trouble with their agenda on other fronts to make a fight of it? Or would you say they lied to the left to get elected? edit for clarity witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I wasn't going after you, I was referencing the recent republican primary winner in Delaware. When she hit back at Karl Rove (which was completely justified), she was ... less than articulate. OK so I was going at you a little bit. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*