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Well since this thread is about the gaza flotilla(s) why don't you try to stay on topic. While using WP is legal, I happen to agree that Israel used it improperly. I also abhor the illegal use by Taliban fighters in 2009 and the illegal use by Palestinians earlier this month. Do you agree the Palestinians should be condemned for illegal us of WP? (their use kinda erodes the high ground they claim on the issue, don't you think?) edit to remove answered question witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Good line. I learned it as the Law of Ps. Piss poor preparation precedes piss poor performance. Proper preparation prevents piss poor performance. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Really? Where? We must have missed it. Post the link, I'd love to read it and respond. Or you can just give us the post number in this thread, and I can go find it myself. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Several times. Here it is again. If you'd like to see it, just click the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNwsut8Dkbg&feature=related Here is Israel putting the (their) full story together. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb-G1PlFGIs And another, nice the way they sync video to claims of a "peaceful activist." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ1945WsNWk&feature=related witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Obama said it when he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize. I don't know if he was quoting someone else. He was right though, sometimes manipulation and fancy words are not enough if you want to prevent evil men from doing evil things. edit to add: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34360743/ witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

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Yeah, I could have been nicer. Wah. You've said worse. Others have said far wrose. Stop playing the martyr. To quote the Amazon, don't get all butt hurt about it. So can you answer any of the points in my post? Or are you going to play the victim and hide behind hurt feelings? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So now you're going to claim that the defense was spontaneous in response to Israelis shooting at random from the ropes? Have you even watched the videos? The flotilla folks were preparing to attack the soldiers before the soldiers even arrived! It shows no such thing. What it shows is that whoever planned the media circus had a modicum of sense and realized that they had to appear to be victims. Here is my question to you: if their purpose was to deliver aid to Gaza, why not just deliver it to Egypt or Israel? The answer is that their goal was not delivery of aid, but rather to draw Israel into violent conflict. Do you know anything at all about armed forces? Some of them said so themselves in video interviews. Others said so in wills or diaries. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Lots of folks forget the DA is a politician. He runs for office just like the sheriff and the mayor. Decisions in big cases are often made through the prism of what gets him re-elected, rather than what the law says or what is right. Charges in cases where there is a controversy are dropped all the time, even when IA and grand jury find no wrongdoing by the officer. Hell, the reality is charges are dropped all the time even when there is no controversy and it's an airtight case. We have the worst justice system in the world, except for all the others. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

IT'S A FUCKING BLOCKADE!! They don't need to wait until it is out of international waters, get that through your skull. Do you think the US blockade of Cuba during the missile crisis was only applied in US coastal waters? I really don't understand why you can't figure it out. Several posters have tried to explain law and history of blockades to you. Are you intentionally ignoring the facts here? I do'nt know if you've ever been involved in a violent life threatening encounter, but there isn't always the option to withdraw. When you're on a ship, expecting passive resistance, and you get mobbed, beaten, clubbed, stabbed, and shot, you don't always have the oppurtunity to retreat. Also, don't pretend the flotilla was just about getting aid to Gaza. They could have done that without ever confronting the blockade. They could have gone through Egypt or through Israel. THEY WANTED TO CAUSE A CONFLICT. If there were any victims, I might be concerned about them. There are no victims here. The flotilla folks just wanted a media circus. They accomplished their goal. Some of the flotilla folks wanted martyrdom. They got their wishes, too. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Google "flotilla martyr, click the (video) link Paintball markers are used in crowd control scenarios to throw paintball type plastic capsules that contain OC powder rather than paint. It is not the most common tool, but it is widespread in police and crowd control applications. Educate yourself before making comments like that. [url "http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread577623/pg1"]Video[/url ] that shows Israeli solider trying to use a paintball type marker on the crowd. About 52 or 53 seconds in. (ignore the site, that's just the first one I found with good video) edit to fix link witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

All the time. I also watch BBC, German channels, and Japanese stations (in English). I like to see what's going on in the world, and get different takes on it. Sometimes I even tune in to the Communist Broadcasting Conspiracy up north in Canuckistan. Do you dispute my statement that al jazeera shows programs/allows it's talking heads to spew nonsense? (I'm not saying lots of US media doesn't do the same thing, but I don't accuse people of being prejudiced when they point it out, whether it's MSNBC or FOX News) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

the responsibility lies with the people who pulled the triggers. just because you are wearing a uniform doesn't mean you can murder and say 'i was ordered to'. here in the uk we had a similar incident we call 'bloody sunday'. Do you even read the drivel you post here? No one was ordered to kill anyone. The Israelis went in with pepperball launchers. They are basically paintball markers that fire OC rounds instead of paint. That sounds like orders to control the crowd and redirect the ship. I'm still waiting for your "evidence" that the nine dead were executed rather than shot in self defense. There is video of people on the boat attacking soldiers. Have you got anything other than hatred of Israel to support your claims of execution? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Google "flotilla martyr" There are video interviews, al jazeera excerpts, newspapers quoting wanna-be shahid's diaries. edit for spelling witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Really. Inhumane and murderous. Last I checked Gaza shares a land border with Egypt. So why isn't all kids of love and affectiong flowing into Gaza from the rest of the Arab world? Try to keep up. Despite the nonsense you might hear on al jazeera, the blockade is and was legal. And Israel did deliver the aid from the flotilla ships, just like it said it would. So the aid from the flotilla got to Gaza, but the schmucks on the ships wanted to be on TV. The best way to do that is to attack soldiers with deadly weapons and force them to defend themselves. "If it bleeds, it leads." This was just another media stunt. The responsibility for the deaths rests squarely on the people on that last ship who decided to attack the soldiers. Of course HAMAS cheerleaders like you aren't going to accept that, but don't try to speak for the rest of the world. It makes you looks like Ahmadinejad (aka not exaclty the model of rational thought and mental stability). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Pull your head out of your ass. (A) Godwin's Law is an automatic loss. (B) They're not my heroes. Have I ever said they were? No. (prove me wrong, I dare you) I criticize morons in both big parties and in "third parties." If you could manage to stop defining everyone who disagrees with you as a fascist neo-con you might realize that I hardly fit the mold of a Republican. (C) Censorship reflects government's lack of trust in the people, negating the argument "of the people by the people for the people." I disagree with censhorship and prior restraint type of laws that prohibit doing things that might lead to other crimes (censhorship, prohibition, gun control, etc) (D) When is the last time a campaigning candidate for POTUS allowed disruptive protesters into one of their events? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Funny how no one dared to comment about this, as it doesn't fit their world view perception. Funny how you compare a couple of jews on a 32 foot catamaran to the "flotilla." Funny how no one died because no one attacked soldiers with deadly weapons. Funny how there's no evidence that these folks set out with the express desire to become martyrs (while many on the flotilla did). Funny how this was just one more media stunt. Funny how all the aid on the flotilla was delivered to Gaza by the Israelis after it was checked, just like they said it would be. Funny how Gaza is ruled by a terrorist organization whose charter calls for the annihilation of Israel, that those terrorists are doing their best to accomplish that goal, but you expect Israel not to act like it is at war. Funny how you ignore that Israel and Egypt enacted the blockade after an Israeli soldier was captured. Funny how you ignore that the blockade was legal. Funny how israeli soldiers only resorted to deadly force after begin attacked. Funny how... no, this shit isn't funny anymore. So tell me, other than that they tried to sail through the blockade, what was similar about these two situations? edit for typo witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I liked the last paragraph(s). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Congratulations, another Godwin's Law loss for Lucky. Oi. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Number 38 is a piece of crap written by a sack of shit, but I still wouldn't ban it. Just put a pamphlet inside the cover mentioning the fact that he lost his job, his grant, and his Bancroft award for his actions, and let it sit on the shelves. However, like Paul, I happen to believe folksnshpuld be allowed to do things that I disagree with or that I would not choose to do. I also agree with Voltaire who said, "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Subhan Allah! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I grew up outside NYC. Overall the whole things works well. But remember NYC is more than just Manhattan, and even Manhattan has Harlem and Washington Heights, and the ground zero Arab/Muslim issue, and so on and so forth. Yeah, thanks largley to Rudy Giuliani crime is down and streets are safer, is not always safe. So while it's not exactly the Israeli-Gaza border, things can be tense at times. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I don't know about Compton, but in plenty of places they are treating a DWI death as Second Degree Murder. NC law mandates a murder two charge for DWI deaths in many cases. I saw a guy get sentenced to 25 to life for dwi death charged as second degree murder. It was his second dwi conviction, fourth dwi arrest. The victim, well, we shouldn't speak ill of the dead so I won't tell you what I know about him. Let's just say he wasn't the most sympathetic victim. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

My personal favorite quote is one I use regularly. Last time I recited it, I was called a racist. Of course I have to change "my four little children" to "we all" and "they" to "we" but I keep it accurate. I've been called a racist twice for saying that. Funny old world we live in. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

What? Racial tensions run high in NYC? Say it isn't so! Of course, one could point out how 2007 was handled differently by the DA than the earlier two, but then that one would probably be called all sorts of ugly names. But yeah, educating the morons is a sure way to beat ignorance. The problem is there are too many fuckwits on every group that don't want to be educated. And then there are the professional race baiters who don't want "their people" educated (like the KKK, Al $harpton, fanatic jihadis, etc). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*