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What attempts have there been since then? South Korea might be a good example (success). Where have we been nation building since then? Iraq? Incomplete. Most of what we've done elsewhere has been "peacekeeping." (the most ridiculous role for a soldier in my mind) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The problem here is you're treating the government like a business. They're not there to take all my money and spend it as they see fit. Communism, much? They should get out of my business, stop spending more than the rest of the country, and do what it was intended, rather than whatever it wants. But then reality steps in. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

cough, cough, ex communication, catholics being catholic, cough ps - as I recall, the vatican wanted to stop this as much as the American bishops and chior boys everywhere. We do happen to be one of the wealthiest nations around, so dropping attendance equals dropping coffers. And then there's that whole not being an evil s.o.b. thing. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The Marshall Plan. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Dude. You have issues. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Though I'd still wager 95% of the population hasn't seen one in public in decades, I'll take your word for it. MY USMC OSS didn't have that stuff up on the wall. HUGE MC emblem, yes. Uncle Sam, no. Nowadays they're basically nostalgia. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I've head it depends on your definition of 'served.' witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

and I get tired of hearing you whining about the right, but I deal with it. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

but, but, they're assault weapons, kev. what else do us rank and file Dems need to know? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I guess you don't remember the WWII poster "I'll give em hell..." ooops...thought the world had moved on a little since WWII You do realize you're being ridiculous, right? I haven't seen any Uncle Sam posters anywhere but shops and museums. Since those posters basically disappeared after WWII, I made reference to that same time period. You would rather I reference non existent posters? OK, let's see if you can follow this little list of things that might make a man feel satisfied. -fulfilled you duty -protected your friends -served your country -lived through a dangerous encounter Yeah, I think I'd feel satisfied if I accomplished all that. If my way to do that were to kill another man before he kills me, such is life. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I guess you don't remember the WWII poster "I'll give em hell..." witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Yup. More and more I am reminded of that little quote about trading freedom for security. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, there's the sticky thing about law enforcement. LEOs need powers to get the job done. People want them to get the job done. But people don't want those powers used on them. So they say "you can have powers against them, but not us." Then "them" becomes "us." Final answer - don't give cops powers you wouldn't want them to use against you, because otherwise there's every chance they will. ....I was just trying to think of an example where a good person is screwed because cops do their job on the info they have... Then I remembered who I'm talking to. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I don't think anyone is going to argue that we need to do everything we can to thwart AQ on American soil. Does that mean that we should stop investigating other groups plotting violence, destruction, and disruption of commerce? AQ needs law enforcement, nat security/intelligence, and military response. POS like ELF and ALF need law enforcement and maybe some intelligence (message interception, etc). Dealing with one should not leave us vulnerable to the other. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

So would you say ELF and ALF are not terrorists? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

By Wendy McElroyOn April 1, estranged father Ron Davis stood up in the British House of Commons. Shouting "I haven't seen my daughter for five years," he hurled a condom full of purple-dyed cornstarch at British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The House was evacuated in alarm. Davis is a member of Fathers 4 Justice, which describes itself as "a new civil rights movement campaigning for a child's right to see both parents and grandparents." Its goal is to eliminate perceived anti-father bias from family court systems in Britain and elsewhere. F4J's campaign of nonviolent resistance — called "the rising" — has been flamboyant, but it generally has avoided even the appearance of inflicting real harm. The tone is growing angrier. And, although the purple powder caused no injury, it gave that appearance. How should fathers respond to an "unjust" law? The purple-powder event has thrown that question into debate within the father's rights movement in America. Some argue that no harm was done and the media paid attention, which was the goal. Others ask, "Will the attention increase or decrease public sympathy for estranged fathers?" Many movements face a similar debate. My purpose here is not to defend the goals of F4J, though I personally support them. Rather, it is to use them as a springboard to discuss points of strategy. Thus, assuming the goals are worthy and move onto the specific issue, "How should a responsible father respond if he is denied parental rights?" The first question to ask about any injustice is, "What sort of injustice is it?" Not all violations are equal. If injustice is defined as the act of denying to someone that which they deserve, then many — if not most — unjust laws have relatively little impact on people's lives. Taxing someone for a government program of which they disapprove and from which they derive no benefit may be unjust. But it also may inflict no great hardship. Other unjust laws constitute more significant intrusions. But such laws are often difficult to enforce and the consequence of disobedience is rarely felt. For example, some states still restrict common sexual practices, such as oral sex. But, because enforcement is rare and the act of closing the door behind you provides protection, most people do not feel the impact. At the extreme end of injustice are laws that can neither be avoided nor obeyed without devastating consequences. A divorcing father cannot avoid the family laws that will largely determine all future access to his children. According to a recent survey by the American Association of Retired Persons' magazine, many fathers cannot even maintain access by remaining married. "The Divorce Experience: A Study of Divorce at Midlife and Beyond" found that two-thirds of divorces after age 40 are initiated by wives. When a divorce cannot be personally resolved, most courts award custody to the mother with visitation rights to the father. Thereafter, fathers — no matter how responsible — can be de facto denied access by ex-wives who ignore visitation rights with impunity. (Ron Davis had court-ordered visitation that he could not get enforced by the English courts.) This constitutes a severe injustice that cannot be tolerated without devastating lives. In the last few years, that devastation has received increasing attention and public sympathy. Former rock star Bob Geldof, who was knighted for his work with Live Aid, has made headlines by defending father's rights. Of unjust laws, Geldof's campaign states, "When the law promotes injustice, it will fall." Thus, after determining the severity of an unjust law, the second question to ask is "How and when will it fall?" For estranged fathers, the "when" is crucial and must be factored into all discussions of "how." Estranged fathers do not have decades to work incrementally toward change. During those decades, their children will grow into strangers. For them, justice delayed is justice denied. Moreover, some laws seem to be increasingly hostile toward estranged fathers. For example, Louisiana has moved to criminalize the non-payment of child support, which hitherto has been a civil matter. Unless the demand to pay child support is linked to reasonable and enforced visitation rights, Louisiana may be criminalizing fathers who simply wish to implement visitation rights and have no other leverage than to withhold payment. Those who feel impelled to disobey an unjust law have two basic options: nonviolent resistance, or violence. I commend F4J for pursuing nonviolent resistance, for its march through the streets of London, for picketing family courts, for holding protests outside the homes of "anti-father" judges. It is winning the hearts and minds of those essential third parties of the general public who are beginning to understand the depth and prevalence of anguish felt by estranged fathers. But F4J walks a perilously thin line by embracing even the appearance of violence. And, in a world now paranoid about anthrax and powder, the protesters in the House of Commons must have known their action would be interpreted as violence. Appearances have a tendency to become reality and, at the first act of violence by a father's rights advocate, all fathers will suffer. Those who advocate caution are correct to worry. Wendy McElroy is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, "Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century" (Ivan R. Dee/Independent Institute, 2002). She lives with her husband in Canada. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121474,00.html OK, so she's not a 60s throwback, scary feminazi. Good article though. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

How about we re-write that from another point of view. They're a bunch of eco-freaks advocating and taking part is serious crimes agaisnt people and property witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

As opposed to residents of a certain continent or a certain dentin tower... witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I can't think of a whole lot of things more intrusive than requiring a person to spend every second of their life for the next X years inside concrete and steel walls with violent, sociopathic, and/or psychopathic people. The rest is just details. (exercise time is controlled, meal times and make ups are controlled, mail in controlled, interaction is controlled, etc etc etc etc) Personally, I liked the Alcatraz idea: you have two options - read or rot. Oh yeah, if you escape, you get to deal with hypothermic water or things that can eat you. THEN there's a manhunt. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

because you believe everything you read? because you haven't visited the US? because you are so good at stereotyping? Let me know when I'm getting warmer. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Well, seeing as the Aussie murder rate is approaching ours, their violent crime rate is rising, and their property crime is above ours, there is one more important fact: the crime rates in America are, and have been, dropping for many years now. So we're fixing our problem. What are Aussie rates doing again? Yeah, that's what I thought. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

OK. You're a cold hearted insensitive bastard. Now join the club, the first round is on me. cheers! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Ring any bells? Geheime Staatspolizei? Care to make your wagers on this one? Terry v Ohio should be pretty clear on this one, but with the First and Second already on the ropes, and the Fourth taking a beating, why not take a shot at the Fourth and Fifth? Boston Globe Article witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You can't beat the Double D. Period. Full stop, end of story. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

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