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hot damn, the bastards actually did it. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I always hated that movie. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Built? I heard rumors a few years back that there was some interest from smugglers in old Russian subs. I hadn't heard whether they actually bought one or not. I doubt even the cartels have the money to build one though. Also, I think the US defense infrastructure would detect a submarine approaching the coast, don't you? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Even s seive has a limited number of holes to plug. Even if you don't get them all, at least you can cut the flow. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

http://www.snopes.com/crime/dumdum/gunshop.asp Not quite, dear Slappie. The customers drew but never fired. The officer and the owner fired an unknown (to me) nubmer of times. Significantly less than 47, I'm sure. The robber fired 3 times and I believe he didn't hit anyone. ps - I wasn't "Ivaning" on you, just posting the link to the thread others mentioned. I couldn't care less, and it wasn't even in this forum. It was in the Corner. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1575782;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread The idiot died of 4 gun shot wounds not 23, used a .380 not a .22, and... yeah, other than that was just an idiot. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I say we call it Jim-Bob the Aggie Lifter Aero-frickin-plane witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The plain fact is terrorists, arab or otherwise, can cross with the illegals. There are still plenty of them out there that wish ill for the USA. http://library.nps.navy.mil/home/tgp/tgpndx.htm Since the government is working on the "front door" vulnerability, wouldn't it make sense to also try to secure the "back door," the border? First off, the taliban is dead. The concern is terrorist groups, not the defeated thug ruling party of Afghanistan. Second, any article proposing that Al Qaeda may cross the border is not "full of crap" because it can happen. It may have already happened. The bottom line is our southern border is a seive, and it allows people in who shouldn't be able to enter, illegals and other, less savory characters. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The states have the power to call forth the militia for disasters, just like the feds can call out the national guard. That's always been the case (the states have just chosen not to do so). Also, why would you want the militia called instead of the National Guard? Why not both? If that's the only requirement you put forth for full second amendment rights, boy you've got yourself a deal. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Does that still ring true in your mind, after a three letter edit? ps - you do know that such an act qualifies as assault, right? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I love Ebonics [Shocked] It's called a typo. If you look at the little thing you're clicking away on, the "X" is right next to the "C." A. Why a question mark at the end of a statement? B. Why the question mark outside the quote? You left out the misspelling. So do you have anything substantive to add to the discussion, or just more sniping? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Interesting, but not constitutional. Article 1, Section 8 of the US constitution says so. http://www.findlaw.com/casecode/constitution/ A separate provision provides for raising armies and navies. Militias don't serve in foreign wars (except possibly neighboring countries). If you need soldiers for a war and the AVF isn't providing the personnel, insitute a draft. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You left out blood runing in the streets and wild west shootouts. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

I would agree with you that a broader interpretation of proteted arms is correct, however in Miller, the only SCUS case I know of that describes whcih firearms are protected and which are not, states that firearms with no purpose in the military service are not cover, that only arms of the infantry are. I would disagree, but I'm not the guy in the robes. (the nine robes were factually wrong, however, when they stated that short barrelled 12 guages were not weapons of the military) I also agree that the militia clause was one reason for the amendment, not the only reason. (it's obvious to anyone with an understanding of the english language that it is a subordinate clause, and I really must laugh that anyone argues otherwise). witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

OK, so the three people (so far) who think I'm insane, what makes you say so? Can you dispute any of the arguments I have put forth? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

The original gun powder of Bacon was an explosive. What is commonly called blackpowder is an expolosive. Modern gunpowder is combustible. I believe the primer in a cartridge is an explosive (though I could be wrong), but the powder is not. I'm also fairly sure the ATF does not classify gunpowder as an exposive. (though we all know they don't know shit anyway) witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

You know, I'm ok with Nissan knocking off Porches on a regular basis, but when Honda starts imitating GM, you know there's something rotten in Denmark. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

And depending on the bar you go to, it's very equal opportunity. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

as requested by billvon. The second was intended to cover military arms of the "average" infantry soldier. In 1781 in his Notes on the State of Virginia, Query IX, Thomas Jefferson described the militia: "Every able-bodied freeman, between the ages of 16 and 50 is enrolled in the militia. .... In every county is a county lieutenant, who commands the whole militia of his county. .... The governor is the head of the military, as well as the civil power. The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service." Today, at the very least, that would mean M16s and M4s. Yes, I believe the second amendment applies to select fire and full auto firearms. Obviously, this also precludes any kind of magazine ban, as soldiers use 30 rounds mags in their rifles. It also should prevent any kind of ban on semi-automatic handguns, including Glocks, 1911s, and Berettas. Also, according to Miller, other military arms, such as bolt action rifles and common military arms would be covered. The argument could be made, though it may be a bit more tenuous, that the second should cover MP5s and SAWs as well. An RPG is on the border line, and I must conclude that it is not covered. A 28 inch double barrelled duck gun is not covered under the second amendment. A soldier's rifle is. Any politician who proposes a "sporting purpose" test for whether arms should be allowed for citizens is sponsoring positively unconstitutional legislation. The Second Amendment Recognizes and Individual Right All scholarly research (that hasn't resulted in firings and revoked prizes) clearly shows that the second amendment is an individual right. Studies of court decisions shows the same thing. Read Dred Scott about the rights he would've aquired if given citizenship. Read Miller about military arms and which guns the second amendment protects. Read United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 110 S. Ct. 1839 (1990). Read the other thirty five or so cases where the supreme court recognized and upheld the second amendment. Check into the story of Michael A. Bellesiles and his Arming America. "The people" mentioned in the second amendment are the same ones mentioned in the rest of the amendments and the rest of the constitution. Concealed Carry This is the one area of major gun rights/gun control debate that is not guided by the second amendment. The right to keep arms is about as straight forward as can be, though some jurisdictions cannot even keep to that. The right to bear arms, though, is not as clear. Does it mean open carry? Bearing arms for a particular purpose? The answer to each question leads to a dozen more unanswered questions. Until the Supreme Court of the US hands down a clear and complete interpretation, and incorporates the states through the 14th amendment, I won't use the second to advance concealed carry. I'll use statistics, logic, and history instead. While I strongly believe in RTC legislation and will constinue to support it, I can't be certain enough to claim it is covered by the second amendment. Please elaborate on your poll answers. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Actually, we lit a bunson burner's big brother under a fifty round box, the box on a metal plate about three feet off the ground. (I don't remember how hot the plate was when things started popping) At the end of the test everything was within a five to six foot radius, including packing materials. ps - technically calling your bottle break an explosion is incorrec - just ask kallend. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

He's here and posting in BonFire

Edjamucation.... ain't it grand? witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

OK, so he was the Darwincandidate for 1990, not 2005. OK. I still have one problem with the snopes article. It's unclear how many shots were fired, in part because some of the suspect's shots struck ammunition on a counter, causing the ammunition to explode. "There were slugs all over that place," Persson said. As for Zaback, he died with four wounds in him, one in the arm and three in the chest, not the 23 wounds claimed in the colorized account. Ammunition does not explode. Modern gun powder is not an explosive, it is only combustible. It burns, not booms. Additionally, if the ammunition was hit is sucha way that it "fired," the bullets would not travel far. With no chamber to support the casing, and no barelt to direct the bullt, the casing simply pops and deforms, leving the bullet to fall inches away. Finally, a single round striking a box might set of two or three. Firing enough to justify "There were slugs all over that place," is higly unlikely. ----- I am basing this post on personal experience and studies and videos done by SAAMI for firefighters and trucking companies. There's a reason shipping ammunition doesn't require any tags other than flammable on the truck. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

Actually I'm pretty sure it's been discussed, maybe even had its own thread here in the Corner. I'm just tired of callng on deputy Ivan. witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*

But Bill, you can't let the naturals outpace the slower kids. Afterall, it's not fair to them or their future partners. No Child Left Behind!! witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1*