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When do you think it was buried?

When do you think it was buried?

Nice find. Is that 3 miles West of flight path? How far from Heisson store? What are you thinking for timeline? Lands near the store then is heard at the house or the other way around?

Did the Cliff Ammerman discussion at CC get recorded? I could have sworn he mentioned A7s or A6s. I was right next to him and remember looking at him after he said it. I think it was in the context of well after Portland. He may have misspoke or I misheard, but I’ve been an aviation fan most of my life and I’m pretty sure he mentioned Navy A6s or A7s coming from somewhere. It looks like the Reca shills are at it again. My only comment is that I don’t know if Osiadeciz was vetted. He seems to have a law enforcement background, but I’m skeptical.

For those not on Facebook, there was a good discussion on two of the flight paths. Eric did the Western one and Chris the Air Force aka FBI one, as it’s called I think.

That does make sense given the timeline. Sounds like he may not have time to tie the reserve to himself. I’d just love to see a break in this case as big as the money find was.

What was the total amount of para cord Cooper cut? Do we know if it is like the current para cord that has 5 or 6 smaller pieces of string inside? As I look at the harnesses, I wonder if Cooper may have put the harness on and then tied the reserve to the harness in the front. It seems possible. Then if the main opened he would have landed with both and been able to discard both in the same place. Maybe someday someone will stumble across remnants.

Jonbenet Ramsey DNA info just for visual reference. I was surprised they released this

The knots yes.

Right. He’s in Seattle. There must have been knapsacks available. He didn’t even grab someone’s luggage. Anything might have been better than that bank bag. Georger makes an interesting observation though too.

I think it was Martin who said there were chutes that were orange, green, and white. Orange to signal, white to hide in snow, green to hide in the forest. I remember finding that interesting.

Couldn’t an argument be made that he wanted to get to the ground as fast as possible?

What’s the difference between the two canopies? I’m assuming speed or maneuvering? I’ve been out of touch, but I thought we landed on the chutes being basically very similar. One is newer but smaller canopy. One is slightly older but larger canopy. So to an amateur the differences aren’t much, right?

If Cooper’s body was found and there was $6k missing, the flight attendants would be under the microscope, especially Tina. We do know her brother in law shielded her in a way from publicity. If I was 21 and someone handed me a stack of $, maybe I would have taken it, and then you’re hooked. Flo did say Tina had something to hide, which may be case related or may not be. I’m not a psych, but I’ve talked to a number of them, and they say shame and guilt can oftentimes be at the root of some depression/anxiety. I don’t think Fly’s theory is really that whacky. It’s possible.

Possible it was misread. But that’s exactly how Cary Grant communicated in North by Northwest.

Fly. Are you thinking he landed near Ariel? Good analysis. I have to look at it some more to grasp it all.

I was able to watch the History's Greatest Mysteries. I've definitely seen better shows, but then again any publicity for the case is good. It did drive some page visits to the Wiki page. I feel I looked old :) they did not do makeup. Oh well. Some notes that I am able to comment on now that it has aired. We were told that it would not be scripted, but we were sent a script and when the time came we were really pushed to stick with the script. I found it difficult to recite word for word what someone else has written about a topic I'm passionate about. It was very awkward, and honestly I wish they had just let us read the script instead of trying to say it word for word without any practice. You can see where the CIA woman and the retired US Marshal had more air time than Darren, Drew, and myself. They must have had more experience or are just better speakers under those circumstances. I think I was interviewed for maybe 2 hours to end up with just a few minutes. Also, we were all asked to read most or all of the sections for the show, hence seeing some us sound like we were pro certain candidates. I did not like that. There were certain parts of the Smith section that I knew were just flat out wrong, so I was able to at least not have to say those. The show made it look like Smith and Clair planned the thing together (even building the bomb). That is not really how I saw it happening. Of course the Dick Briggs stuff was odd. The lesson learned for me is to really ask questions before signing on for an interview, but I was happy to be on TV for a few minutes. There are definitely better shows and I hope there will be more. In the end, those companies want viewers and do not cater to the wants of us true aficionados. The crew was professional and I hope they did get out of it what they hoped. Ryan you can post this on the FB group if you want, if you think anyone would be interested, I won't be able to get on there for a bit.

I've been out of the loop for a bit and probably will continue to be for a bit. I may not get to see the History's Mysteries tomorrow night, and was hoping someone can post on here how the part on William Smith goes, if there is a part on him. I'm mainly interested in what they use for pictures of him, like the main one that is the most common of him, or if they got more pics etc. Any other feedback on the show would be interesting too. I won't take it personally, it was an odd kind of wat so to say in terms of the show being filmed. I doubt I'll be able to see any PMs for a bit either. Thanks. Also, I saw a YouTube video from Anthony Mills that mentions Gunther's book was sourced from a guy named Robert Rackley. As far as I can remember, I don't know who that is and have not heard his name. Any info on that would be of interest to me. I did talk to a former radio DJ once who knew Gunther, but don't remember that being his name. As far as I know, no one knows where Gunther got his info. I hope to be back on all the boards in a few weeks. I will be able to see this board though it looks like. Easier than getting it second hand from contacts who don't really know the Cooper background. Lots to catch up on. Hope everyone is well.

It also makes it harder to put on the chute and tie anything. Is there any info that says he delineated between the inside lights and the actual aircraft lights (the blinking ones you see when a plane flies over you at night)? If the outside lights are off, then it makes it considerably harder to visually track the plane.

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Knowing the DC3/C47 opens it up to a whole lot of military people, especially from WW2. The sheer number of Americans and Canadians who served in uniform at that time is amazing. The flaps setting for him could have been to keep the plane in the air given the configuration, and/or to keep it flying at a low speed. I’d lean towards the flaps setting for him being so the plane would stay airborne just above stall speed.

Anyone have a flight sim for the DC8,9,10,737. A couple months back I had clipped some pics of the cockpits and flight manual for these planes to look at the flap settings. I found 15 degrees was an actual setting on all of these. An aircraft manual might show it too. From my perspective, Cooper did not have real inside knowledge of the 727. He clearly had some time to plan things and seemed meticulous in ways. I expect he would have tried to see a cockpit of a plane, maybe a 727. It’s probably a broken record, but my profile is a guy with some knowledge of aviation, but not a pilot. He does not come across as one. The FBI had him as slightly educated, high school, The Boeing thing just does not die, and in my mind is a red herring at this point. If he worked for Boeing in the Seattle area and stayed there, then law enforcement let a big fish slip through their fingers. The tie has gone from Boeing, to Teledyne to Tektronix to RMI to RemCru, to I don’t know where else.

Two weeks later same deal in Eugene, OR.

Which stewardess was living in Missouri in 1989? I’m assuming Alice. One from Eugene, OR is mentioned later on. This is from 1989, so they were still showing photos then.

We’ve gone down many rabbit holes on this case and have debated topics for what seems like forever, but I don’t remember any prolonged discussion on whether he landed with the money. We’ve talked pull, no pull, lived, died, water landing, etc. Could Cooper have landed with the money ? Mac lost it, Gryder too. What info do we have on these scenarios (20 pound bag, tied with cord)? Even if I was an expert with knots, I’d still not bet on that bag landing with me. Maybe with a real smooth exit.