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Olemiss: why erode your credibility by doing a video with Nicky on suspects? He changes suspects like the weather. Can’t keep his stories straight. I can’t think of a worse person to do a suspect roulette with. Why not have Pat B or someone else more legit with you? Better yet, put it all on paper side by side and have it reviewed by everyone. I’ve seen some good and bad on there. Hahnemann has been singled out, the info on Smith is not accurate, Hall and Vordhal get special treatment. Reveal the suspect matrix. You do have credibility, and will bounce back, but seems an odd choice.

Hahneman is a red herring. My opinion is that you bring him up as a weapon against Fly. Discredit Hahneman in the hopes of discrediting all of Fly’s “testimony”. We are all adults, we know that is a lawyer’s trick. We all have our suspects. By definition if you have one or think Cooper is unknown, then you disagree with everyone’s suspect. So let’s say Fly is wrong about Hahneman. Has he really been wrong about much at all else in this case? All he does is call out absolutes and give documentation. Using Hahneman every time is frankly a little underhanded. Why not just focus on the arguments at hand?

It’s not transparent to me. You’ve used that argument on me and WJS. It’s not like there are 10 sketches. There are 2 main ones. The FBI thought B was the best. Anyone who followed B would be following what the FBI and conventional thought believed. There would be no reason to follow A. EU liked A because he thought it matched Sheridan. That was shoved down our throats. Many people claim the sketches are useless. I don’t believe that myself, but some do. Saying Fly (a solid researcher, one of the best, probably the best) likes B because of a suspect is not fair. He follows the evidence. His theories for Hahneman focus very little on the sketch. From what I can tell, his issue is that you are focused on the A sketch, which goes against what the FBI believes. Not one agent, the FBI as a whole. I still don’t see how A beats B when you lay out all the info. So when the revisionist history keeps coming from multiple people about multiple parts of the case, it dilutes thing. Like EU’s big announcements. We can’t keep having all these new ideas that are really just ideas. I’ve asked you to tell both sides of the story on this case and suspects. The sketches is a good area to use that approach. Take Fly out of it. Tell the story. And not just on YouTube. Long videos get buried and people don’t watch as much as we’d like to think. Subscribers and viewers does not equal actual engagement.

The circle jerk is Facebook. DZ will remain a necessity as long as Facebook remains a social group dominated by a few cliques. Most of the posts are memes and pics and worthless statements, followed by comments saying “Great post. Wow. Can’t wait. You’re awesome. Great find. You solved it. I believe it”. Not to mention that both pages have pretty much duplicate posts. EU and Nicky’s page could go away. One is enough. Are you getting bullied here? We need more discussion over here. Join in.

Also. Fly rarely talks about Hahnemann. Ryan, to be fair, you are the one who brings him up. If Hahneman was proven to not be Cooper, all of Fly’s research still stands in its own. He doesn’t push Hahnemann. You have a beef with Fly and keep referring to his choice of Hahnemann as a suspect. Let it go. We all have our suspects. It’s the details of the case he focuses on.

The thought that Fly owes anyone anything is laughable. The Vortex can’t keep a secret. It’s full of back channel conversations and snakes. I’ve seen enough of his info to know he’s got it. I don’t see everything. For the six or so years I’ve been following him, I can say he’s consistent. As for the DZ only having a few people. Oh well. It’s Fly and sometimes me and Georger. The old group who used to have legit discussions is practically gone. We rarely hear from them. Bruce, Shutter, R99, etc. Facebook added a lot of people but only a small group of them have added anything useful. There are a few guys who questioned the Barb/Clara BS, but they were drowned out. The A sketch and thin nose and new flight path and drop zone would never have gone without discussion back then. Hall, Vordhal either. Nicky would have been banned and EU would have been shut down. Facebook is a social group. Very little legit discussion. Cunningham has been wrong so many times and argued every single point. The fact that his flight path was not questioned is ridiculous. Larry has been great for the case, but saying “The FBI believes…” is not accurate. It’s a loose play on words.

Vince Peterson’s daughter is demanding an apology from Eric. And of course there is discussion about the “new” tie particles like they just discovered the Holy Grail.

Complete joke. A narcissist in action on YouTube. I don’t use that term often. He has had 3 suspects, I’m sure number 4 is soon to come. Nicky only has had 3, so he has to catch up. There have been a few comments from VP’s daughter asking for an apology.

He must have said both are big, which means they aren’t. It’s good though there will be a show and that Mike one of the Army paratroopers on the case will be on. Good to see more people getting some screen time.

EU said on FB “this is big”.

It’s all pretty predictable now. YouTube video teaser. Some big announcement that is not that big. Use that to try and get newspapers to do an article, claim its local interest. Shove it down people’s throats. I guarantee that whatever company EU names that Milton Vordahl worked near or visited there and worked with the same elements. Or he fished near there. One funny thing is a lot of the people with suspects feel they need to tie all these new theories to their suspects. They don’t. I’ve seen a few people claim their guy looks like both composites. Right. There have been no control items. One clean Boeing tie. McCrone has not compared findings to their other tests/customers. We don’t know if it was even his tie before the hijacking. Regardless, all those particles could be found many places. Anyone with logistics or manufacturing experience knows that there are many stops along the way and particle mixing in the supply chain. A whole lot of nothing. The Cooper world is fragmented, and that’s maybe a good thing. The social group has lost members. Gryder has taken center stage. Edwards’s book is well known. We have Reddit. DZ. Multiple FB groups. The old timers don’t say much anymore, which is unfortunate.

Abbott and Costello. Perfect. :)

I usually know you hit a nerve when people on the FB group start talking about Hahneman. There was an anonymous post about him and then Chris B. one of the Vordhal people who is still sticking with him and Crucible made a comment about every witness except one saying Cooper was Caucasian. Total muddying of the waters. Cooper was swarthy. Dark. Hahneman and Smith both get the half truth stories. It reminds me of a Senate confirmation hearing where one side tells only what they want and it’s out of context. The social club is our version of MSNBC. EU apparently has some new info on where Cooper worked. Why anyone believes it is beyond me. It’s been 54 years, and the narrative on there keeps changing. B was a good sketch for Braden and Vordhal, but I guess not now. Somehow Chris C. knows what brand the sunglasses were and where he jumped. No one disagrees anymore. I guess if you look at the same thing over and over again then you want something for your time. Sifting through the transcript of Ryan’s YouTube, I see a lot on Hahneman. The mispronunciation of his name is grating. Him going after Hahneman is akin to ad hominem at this point. Very little is ever discussed about Hahneman, but you are attacked for researching him all of a sudden when you disagree with Ryan. Hahneman gets called out. 5’8 was fine when he liked Braden. B sketch was fine when he liked Vordhal. As usual Skip Hall gets praise too. Ryan has consistently said there is 0% percent chance Smith is Cooper. No suspect is 0%. It’s the same old misdirection and cherry picking. His reason for 0%? Well, because Smith’s daughter says so. But he never says she was 6 in 1971. Never. He claims she waited up looking for headlights and that if he was gone on Thanksgiving then who would have cooked dinner? Come on. And he worked two jobs? When, in 1971? Working two jobs is a red flag at anytime. In 1971 then you needed money. In 1990 then you needed money (they claim Cooper lost the $), or someone is working two jobs pretending to not be Cooper. It is actually getting to be like EU. “If I say it, then people will believe”. But it’s always prefaced with “I like so and so, but I disagree with them”. Well at least give the facts. EU does not speak for the whole group and neither does Ryan. No one does. But if someone is going to speak then at least acknowledge the facts or that you changed your stance once you changed suspects or the pros of Smith and Hahneman. It looks to me that some people get upset that others have a say in this case. The effort put into going after Gryder was amazing. If you disagree with the social club you get the wrath. But no one is really listening anyhow. And the group wonders why Dan Gryder gets the microphone and not them.

Is there some new info on the flight path, jump time, winds, etc. that I missed hearing about to conclusively put the jump or landing over Orchards? I remember that being the southern most point for some theories, but that was just a range.

Are Flyjack, myself, and the FBI the only ones who think that the information points more closely to B than A? Or are we the only ones willing to disagree with people on this issue?

I’ve been of the belief for years that he may have written notes in the matchbooks. The only reason I’ve come up with was some homage to the movie North by Northwest. I’d be curious to hear other reasons he may have written in the matchbooks.

Cunningham’s flight path highlights how the group on Facebook does not question each other, and therefore someone makes a statement and then everyone agrees because they don’t want to lose their coalition. Vordhal got a pass, the tie, the flight path, Skip Hall. Many more. The social relationships and protecting those relationships have become more important than doing research and asking questions. Luckily it is confined to the Facebook groups. But if you question certain members of the group, be prepared to have your theories attacked by all of them. Oh, and the PhD students used the bad data and info from that flight path. Not their fault. But elevating him to the expert on the flight path was a bad move.

That stance is an absolute. Deciding to go with the 302 sometimes and not others is speculative. And if we go with earliest commentary then it is not just the 302, we have crew notes and other info. This just seems like a loose method. We have the advantage/disadvantage of all these people being alive while we were studying this. Alive and available. It’s not like we are combing through Civil War records. It’s a technique to do what you are doing, but it seems absolute.

Would be great to see a PowerPoint slide set with everything in summary. Great work. Pics help a lot and your analysis.

How do we ignore everything he said to the media? Is it all lies? Is this the case for everyone involved, do we only use the files?

I think it’s good for the small group of us who research the case to hear these details from you. However, I don’t think the Gryders of the world care. If you look at the views on Wiki, he has driven those up a lot. All the posts on FB and Reddit the past year or two have been totally eclipsed by him. If you look at who has brought publicity to the case, it’s Gryder, EU, Colbert, McCoy, Loki, Prison Break, a few documentaries, etc. It’s like PBS trying to compete with NASCAR (the legit researchers are PBS). I have mixed feelings about it, but I guess any publicity is good within reason. Your book will be a good place to combine all of the videos you do. I for one just don’t have the time to watch much, so I rely on the summaries I read in everyone’s comments and yours too. We all know Gryder is wrong in so many ways, but if the voters weighed in, it would be Dan Gryder in a blowout.

Good to have your insight again.

https://thedbcooperhijacking.wordpress.com/2024/07/22/cooper-con-organizer-eric-ulis-defaults-on-4700-bill-owed-to-the-seattle-museum-of-flight/ I felt this was important enough to post for anyone who has bought tickets or flights or plans to.

I stand by what I’ve done. But lies are lies. Thanks to the group member who notified me of this libelous comment.

For anyone who is “friends” or Facebook friends with this person, this is pure libel. I have made updates in the past to the Wiki entry, but the full entry is based off a news article. The Wiki tree and grave deal are complete falsehoods, and can be proven with subpoenas.