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I bought a lot of bits of it. Ryan you need a new partner. Nicky will only drag you down.

Nicky. It sounds like Ryan’s coaching you, but a good coach can only help so much. Do you stand by this statement? That no one in the military referred to them as fronts and backs?

Air crew very well could have said fronts and backs if they were asking for a complete set. I don’t know why they would ask for a complete set, but someone who used a front would say front. And then if he wanted a back, he’d say back because that’s what he would have called it. Fronts and backs.

Are you really that dumb? I just posted a few links. You’re not taking into account air crew. What about the guy who sent you pics of medals? Are those WW2 medals? Ask Ryan, he knows this stuff. If they aren’t then you are using that for your argument, and it’s not really relevant.

https://digitalcommons.csp.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?filename=0&article=1045&context=oral-history_ww2&type=additional In the meantime. I'm thinking, it's not opening, and I didn't have a front chute as a backup. I just had the one in the back. But then, thinking yea

Another data point, he uses the term front, not belly, not chest, not main. https://alabamamosaic.org/vufind/Record/FLCPLwar171/Description?print=1 If all Fly has to do is find examples of someone saying front that was military then I’d say he wins this argument. I find it very hard to believe that of the 10s of thousands of aircrew through the years (non pilot) none used the term front. Their preferred term may have been chest or belly, but to say they never used front is pretty absolute. Ryan and Nicky have been talking about military jumpers and civilian jumpers, and did not take into account air crew who just wore the fronts. Nicky needs to take some lessons from Ryan on how to put together an argument.

Looks like Dr. Bob has outlined his new book. Should be a good one. And I guess Eric still owes people money. The Vortex is not a real healthy place.

“Yes there are two 1960’s chest pack containers on the shelf stuffed with rags for show. You can see in the other shots the same bungees meant to hold the chutes in place on the shelf until needed. Yes everyone used QAC chest pack harnesses and chutes.” Navy guy who flew on the Twin Beech, as World War II plane that he helped restore. It’s one data point, but he uses the term chest. If you’re only using one chute, as a pilot may use one or a bombardier one, then would you say yours is a main and his a reserve, or would you say back and front or back and chest? From my perspective as one who does not wade into all of these conversations, is that Fly does not usually speak in absolutes, but someone like Nicky finds one data point, but has no context (like what that guys shadow box of awards means) and he uses that as an attack on Fly, when Fly already said his argument was not exclusive. All Fly has to do is find someone from that era who used the term front and he wins this argument. Whether that leads him to infer that Cooper was a certain type of person, well that’s up to him. You guys would like to say all his commentary for years is only because of Hahneman, like Ryan said something that I don’t really have much case knowledge and I’m just on Smith. I find both of those to be short sighted comments.

So he was in the military around 1945?

I got the impression from this pic that you meant Flo wanted changes to include the nose. She wanted some changes, but did not say the nose.

Nicky. Calling Fly a Canuck is derogatory in this case. I’ll take him over you as an American any day. Hahneman very well could have gotten the term in the military. These threads look like you are saying that this is a choice between two things, military parachutists and skydivers. Hahneman was neither, he was aircrew. An air crewman very well may have communicated in the terms fronts and backs. “Hey, go get me a chute” “what kind, front or back?” Or “what kind, main or reserve” I don’t think this is getting us very far, but you are using it to call out Flyjack. You message a few guys on Facebook who are military, and don’t know how much of a low life you are, because if they did, they would not talk to you. You’re a kiss ass who is using an appeal to authority fallacy. A guy who joined the Army in 1994 does not have first person experience of what a guy born in the 1920s said. I certainly don’t. I can assume, but I don’t know, just like I don’t know all the slang today. Ryan at least gave multiple examples of his stance. So let’s try this, if someone can find an example of someone in the military using the term front and back, or here is a key set of terms, front or back, then what happens? Probably nothing. You just want to suck up to Ryan because Fly embarrassed you.

This one backfired on Nicky. He was brown nosing as he usually does by tagging people to kiss up to them. Or calling them pet names like bloodhound or Mr. 302. Now he’s kissing up to Georger. I guess it’s a peaceful way to go through life, but embarrassing to always be looking for approval. Seems like Fly’s accurate statements were just glossed over. Back to the chutes. I’ve heard “chest pack” too for the fronts in the past too. For the sake of everyone, would it make sense to change the subject? Flight path. Sketches. I am curious. Nicky used the B sketch to push Klansnic and then Vordhal. What sketch will we be seeing at CooperCon to push the new suspect? KK5-1, Flo liked it. What were her words in the 302s (exactly as written by the agents) about what she didn’t like or wanted changed?

How did you get to this? Not judging here, but are you a Braden guy/paratrooper type for Cooper?

“It’s not satisfactory for me”. What a joke. Who cares what is satisfactory for you? Like you are some court or jury or something. There may very well be more researchers who do not participate than those who do. Some of the better ones rarely comment. Fly and anyone don’t owe any of you guys a thing. If anyone wants to keep their info close, then so be it. Ryan is saving info for a book. Fly is saving info for his reasons. We all do. The Vortex is full of loud mouths and information thieves. Gossipers too. Fly is more successful on a sick day than Nicky has been his whole life. Fly, you must have struck a nerve with Nicky. He’s trying to push you out. Best to just ignore him.

What is the value of him going on Darren’s podcast? Darren is a good guy, but it’s not like the podcast is Joe Rogan or something. Fly is a prolific poster and there is way more of his thinking on here than most. Anyone interested in what he thinks can just look here. For as much activity that goes on here, there is not a strong correlation with how the outside world sees Cooper. They think it’s McCoy or Loki or Rackstraw. Or Charles Westmoreland. Fly going on a show just for Cooperites will only be heard by Cooperites. If he has good info then it’s better that he holds it and delivers it outside the Vortex and not feel the need to get some blessing from people in the Vortex. Rick McCoy. Tom Colbert. R99. Jo Weber. Plenty of people have not been on that podcast. I got a text today from someone asking me about the new FBI files released. Like it was some big deal. I had to explain the real story. But that’s what the general public sees. Nicky pushing someone to come out more in public is a joke.

Nicky is usually doing someone else’s bidding or trying to ingratiate himself to someone else. Eddie Haskell. That’s probably what is going on, they want you on a podcast or at CooperCon. Try to make it look like they really care. You were on CNN. You found two awesome guitars. Nicky won’t be on TV unless it’s the Cheech and Chong hour. Most of us want you to stay. Very few people push back on the treehouse group. Facebook has become a John L. Skip Hall page now. Both Ryan’s and Eric’s. They want you to leave so they can have free rein. I’d write more but I’m still working this BOLO for a guy with a firearm who used his James Bond clearance to get medical records.

Some melodrama. This was off one of Eric’s post about the First Amendment. The replies came from some true American heroes. Here’s one. William Smith’s daughter and her Facebook friends like Lisa B, neither of whom add anything to the case except drama. They support the First Amendment as long as it’s not me using it. Like I’m Ted Bundy or something. :). Gotta laugh. Lisa wants to out me, like I’m some unknown mysterious person. Drama. Complaining. Exaggerating. Attention seeking. No one knows or cares about a guy named Smith whose family names are all different now. But if it makes her feel better to post, have at it. Forgot to add. Nicky make sure you screen shot and send this to her. You having such good character according to Mark M.

My theory. And everyone has theories. So take it with a grain of salt. I think he’s getting up the courage to jump and also waiting for some sign of civilization that is not the wilderness.

How many cigs to a pack? Would he need to buy more cigs? Would he buy those from a machine or a seller at the airport? Would he carry extra packs of cigs? Seems to me he would want to stay pretty concealed. I’d be curious to see pics of any cigarette machines or vendors.

I didn’t see the Gates show. Sounds like I didn’t miss anything. I did see a lot of hits on my site though, so I guess a rising tide lifts all boats.

The comments. Does Eric need Ryan’s approval on this?

Some commentary on lawyers in the courtroom. My favorite is "Defense attorneys have no obligation to present the truth and I continuously see officers shocked when they learn this firsthand in court" Ryan is certainly not obligated to tell the truth in the Cooper case. Or just Google defense attorney dirty tricks https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/5-ways-defense-attorneys-try-to-trip-up-cops-and-how-to-beat-them-xfyoa4RMUotvU8GV/ https://calibrepress.com/2021/10/recognizing-and-controlling-courtroom-tricks/

Ryan's video, first impressions. Ryan is a sneaky lawyer who sees Fly and I as witnesses to discredit to win his case. He continues to try and discredit us by saying we are biased towards suspects, and therefore can't possibly have case knowledge. Because we are biased, we can't possibly understand why the A sketch is not the best, even though Ryan and many others used the B sketch for years. He may even claim Charlie Farrell acknowledges he made a mistake, but as usual, Ryan will never tell the whole story. He will follow with theatrics, histrionics, and gaslighting. You can't win with Ryan. If you stick to your conclusions, then he says you are bad for not changing. He's just like EU now, changing everytime he feels like it and admoishing you for not getting on the train. His agenda is his ego and need for approval. He is now calling me Anonymous, or following suit when a few others do. That was years ago, call me Dave. I know you like to use it as a dig and Smith's daughter tries to get sympathy for it, but plenty of people knew who I was and plenty know who I am now. I went to CooperCon to meet Bill Mitchell, and then to meet Larry, it did not make sense to introduce myself to people as Anonymous. Besides, anyone of importance knew who I was, to include the Army. Very childish on your part. Honestly, you have some real clowns on that chat. Mary J is one of them. Elisabeth T?? Get some decent people. No wonder most of the world does not take this group seriously. Half that group just does not like me calling them out, or they circle the wagons around Smith's daughter, because as she stated, she called "EVERYONE" Doug Perry thinks Cooper died. Martin thinks no one has named him. Bruce thinks he's MACV SOG. None of us agree on suspects. So saying someone does not think someone else is a suspect means nothing. There were a few on there who were good. The Jays actually have some good input, I'll have to follow them some more. Ian and Randy seemed to have some good input. Some others asked good questions. But your fan club just sits and parrots what you say. KK51 did not have sunglasses. You always like to discount that one. Flo picked it out. Mitchell had no input into A, nor did the other witnesses, except Flo and Alice. You leave all that out. Homely, ugly, not handsome, etc. Those are tough metrics to quantify. Beauty is the eye of the beholder. You're taking a pic of Burnworth, saying he's handsomer than Cooper, then trying to tie Smith into that. You're in your 40s and you are commenting on how a guy like Smith looked to young stews in 1971? If Smith's daughter thought he was handsome, then great. You love quoting your matrix, it becomes an appeal to authority. Have some stones and publish the whole thing on all the pages and then let people comment on if they think those are good categories. You know you use it to get points, it is a common argument technique. "Oh, matrix, that sounds important" like when EU says "it's science" I don't think you're a POS, I reserve that for worse offenders. I just think you can't tell the truth and you purposely mislead people. I think there are enough people in the Vortex who see this. His accent. If Cooper whispered to Tina, how would she know what his accent was. Maybe Smith had a bad New Jersey accent, we don't know, but you claim NJ has a bad one. Newsflash, not everyone there sounds like Joe Pesci. Smith was fairly refined compared to his peers. Besides, Tina was from not far from there anyhow, so in my mind she would have just heard her normal type accent she was used to hearing, like for me when I hear Northeast accents. If someone is from the deep south, I can pick it out quickly, but the Northeast, not so much. The fact is you don't know how it went on the plane. Drew D. seems like a decent guy, but he seems to follow you pretty blindly. He claims B is a cut and paste of KK51, as you often do to establish legitimacy for your claims. By saying B is just KK51 adjusted, you try to muddy the waters and discount KK51, because it totally negates your theory. So if I put long blonde hair on KK51 then it is still just KK51? Or bigger ears? Your argument is absurd, it is a different photo, once you start modifying it, it is different, whether you started from KK51 or scratch. Like baking a cake, we can all decorate it differently. Nicky made an absurd claim that because Smith was union he would not have done something to his fellow union members/workers. Nicky just does not have the capacity for these things. But I do love when he comments, because he constantly contradicts himself. Unions hate management. Railroaders were pissed in 1968 into the 1970s, and even before that. I have many testimonials as to what they thought of management. Smith or not, if someone was union, this would have been a perfect way to say F you to management. Finally, unless I go back and really look at the details. You have it out for Fly for sure. You keep joking about him calling you a liar, in the hopes of diluting it, or you try to downplay it and say it is a white lie or a mistake. The fact is that you are dishonest. You claim I have been biased since two weeks in when I found Smith. False, it was not two weeks. I followed the case before that, and even when I jumped in it was more than two weeks. You want to claim that is only Fly and myself who think your A theory is off, and it is because we have suspects. You either know you are full of it, or you have some other issue, or you are flat out lying. That is your way of arguing, trying to downplay our case knowledge and intelligence. I'm confident of my ability to obtain, analyze, and retain knowledge. I learn quickly. So go ahead and keep badmouthing us and making up false claims. You're the one who has bounced suspect to suspect, but Fly and I who continue to research one suspect are biased?? You go out of your way to attack Fly and myself. It used to be just Fly because he disagreed with you, but then it was me when I called BS on Vordahl. I've seen you operate over and over again over a period of years. You get upset when challenged. You lash out. It would be nice for you to tell the truth. Maybe you don't care when you have Nicky and Mary and other fans telling you it is ok. Maybe someday we will see some other people question your theories. Unfortunately, most of the people willing and able to have left.

Ryan, I am not going to ban you from Reddit. You provide good info most of the time. If we want facts, then I usually expect you and Fly to reply here or on Reddit. You seem to have a lot of time and are able to do this, whereas there are others with the knowledge, but not time or access to the files all the time. I simply don't have my OCRs handy most of the time. What I will do though is call you a liar here on DZ, maybe it is a different type of lie than Fly is referring to, but you still lie. Has anyone told you have integrity issues? You just can't tell the truth.You lie by omission and use other techniques. Maybe I'll just note that when you do it on Reddit. Let you post when its factual and complete, then put a disclaimer on it when its not or just delete the comments. Or we can start all your posts with "This is my opinion" You have a very complicated relationship with the truth. I'll comment on your video here when I can. I usually only see Reddit on my phone. Plus, it is probably not a good optic when a Mod and top 1 percent poster start discussing integrity and lies and all, but I can if you want. As a criminal defense attorney you probably get away with not telling the truth, no team to call you out, no employees, no teammates, no boss, no family, etc. It is just not how most people roll. I look at you as having a lot of case knowlege, and that should be shared, but you just can't tell the truth, so anything I can do to call attention to that in this case, I will do that. It is pretty simple actually, I just have to ask a few questions here and there to uncover that you never seem to tell the whole story.

These AI images definitely are polluting the case. We have enough trouble with all the other sketches and deciphering witness statements.