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Chaucer: I've been waiting for you to gaslight, and you did. That's your MO. I know how you argue. You are trained in logic, and I find that approach from you to be pretty legit, but not gaslighting. Get a new line, you are using classic gaslighting to make it look like I'm crazy. You've done this with Fly too. I did not find the post helpful. Why would you suggest an article on stylometry to me that I quoted in my post on stylometry? I just got done telling you that I've researched it, and you can insinuate from my post that I did some current searches too. I just told everyone what programs to use. Nice try. Whether you meant it or not, it comes across as you thinking there is a simple way to do this. There isn't. But I think you should try.

I'll answer. You're deflecting from the question by making it seem that because you don't have a suspect that it means you don't have an agenda. Nice try. You do have an agenda and you've had one for a while. Didn't you do a video that essentially claimed Gunther made up the whole thing, yet now you quickly come back saying that Barb was Clara, and instead of focusing on that, you made sure to tell us that her being Clara disqualifies Smith. You failed. Unless you can show me some background in stylometry or programming, I still say you have no business talking about it. Did you do the analysis on the plagarism? What program was used? As usual, you insert yourself unnecesarily. You jumped the gun and now you and others have egg on their face. You used Marty's good heart and tried to take advantage of it along with others. You're using emotion here, trying to make it look like you're being bullied. You're not, I never said you don't have a right to be here. So that's two for two where you have used a different question than the one I asked. Three for three. When did I ever say I am a novelist? I'll save you the coin flip, I'm not. I said you are a self proclaimed novelist. Ernest Hemingway is a novelist, John Steinbeck is a novelist, Stephen King, etc. You are clearly different. You've made it clear that you don't like me, you've told a number of people that. That makes you biased. You've targeted my research on Gunther and Smith and have now come out looking foolish. No need to reply, I thought I had you on mute anyhow.

Download those Chaucer and let me know what you come up with. We have one Clara letter that is 200 words, you're better off doing a visual comparison. Clara could type and spell, it does not look like Barb was too good at it. But next I'm sure someone will say that Barb dictated to someone. Have at it. That is one of the sites I quoted from. It lists three programs, and just because you can download does not mean someone knows how to use these. One is Signature, which we've already determined is suspect. The second is JGAAP which has not been updated since 2013. It takes some training to use Java, but it is not as widely used anymore. Data scientists have graduated to R and Python and other coding platforms. The third one mentioned is R Stylo. Good luck learning that one It takes time. I've taken courses in R, and have used R Stylo. The Formans are some of the nicest people in the Vortex, and that is probably why people give them leeway on the Barb story. If someone reads the book, believe me they would not be investing time in Barb for anything. It's a fun story and gets viewers, that's it. They want her to be Clara as much as they want her to be Cooper. Let me know if disagreeing with Barb is making fun of a trans person like you claimed I was doing with women, an autistic guy, and an admin for Facebook when I disagreed with them and called them out.

Posted on FB. Putting it here for you guys not on there. Well, as usual the Vortex has jumped to conclusions, jumped on the bandwagon, and got overly excited about something that for all practical purposes is wrong. I’m referring to the recent podcast that makes an overly optimistic claim that Barb Dayton was Max Gunther’s Clara/Dan LeClair and used a concept called stylometry to “prove” it. The Vortex leaks like a sieve, and although people like to talk about how they trust each other, there is not much trust, as I had an idea of what was coming, it’s not that hard to figure out. I’d like to say I expected something better from the Vortex, but I’ve been too de-sensitized by things now. DNA is about the only thing left worth talking about. I admit that I waited a little bit to see who would chime in, and I was no disappointed, as the usual suspects made sure to quickly jump on the bandwagon and criticize what they do not know about and are not educated about. Most of you in the Vortex are not part of this, so don’t take it personally. However, I can say with confidence that most of the people in the group have never heard of stylometry before this week. I have, I’ve used it. Even four years ago on the DZ I brought it up. This is a long post. Some of it is more staccato than harmony, but I’ll try to clean things up a bit when I write the paper. Some of these are just bulleted thoughts. Directions to a file with the Barb and Clara letters are at the end. Due to some of the complexity of explaining things, I will summarize here and then do a paper with more details. I want to say that Martin and Darren have always acted in a neutral fashion and this post is meant to be critical of their process and not critical of the individuals. Although, I do have criticism for a number of other individuals. Darren has been criticized in the past for asking softball questions, and I do think he could have dug deeper into questions on this podcast. I think Martin and Darren’s hearts are in the right place, as are the Formans. In the end, I think a group of the usual suspects pounced on Martin’s work and attempted to use it to advance their own agenda. I was hoping that more people would ask some of the basic questions before jumping to conclusions, such as quality of the software program, age of the program, peer review, skill level with current software programs, awareness of available software, recent course work, and continuing education. Martin and I have talked many times, he is smart and is educated, however I do think this current work needs more peer reviews. Something of this “magnitude” should have been peer reviewed in advance, and not by a lawyer (Ryan) and a self-proclaimed novelist (Jude). Jude has clearly demonstrated bias in the past, and I was hoping as a lawyer, Ryan would have asked some harder questions, I know he would have if he was defending a client. A few people have made some comments questioning this podcast/use of stylometry, and a few have messaged me, but for the most part it seems like people have just taken what they’ve been told and parroted it. I frankly am not surprised given how people have jumped on the bandwagon on Rackstraw, McCoy, Boeing, RMI, Tektronix, RemCru, Vordahl, and most recently John L’s suspect. Group think is alive and well in the Vortex. Over 4 years ago I mentioned stylometry on the DZ, but I had actually started to research it as early as 2018 and was introduced to the tools that I used as early as 2012. I’ve used the program to analyze the Cooper Forum posts to see who might be double posting, I was completely underwhelmed by the Signature program and needed to use other methods to identify who I believed to be a couple of people over the years who had double posted or had posted on other sites. Signature is the name of the program Martin used. It came out in 2003 and has not been updated since. That is 21 years ago. People were using flip phones when this came out. A Temple University article states “There is no evidence of Signature 2.0 coming out, so this is likely not a sustainable platform.” It is good for a classroom as a concept but not great in practice. There are actually much better programs out there like R and Python. Those take skills to learn and actual use to stay relevant. I’m trained in both of those of programming languages, but more importantly, I have access to peers who teach those programs and some who are PhDs who are much better at it than me. R and Python are the best for data science and research. I’ve reached out to peers, PhDs, linguists, etc. Some to get their overall thoughts on these letters, some to discuss using current software and programming like R and Python to analyze the letters. The early response is that the letters are just too short. Nicky and the others have thrown out terms like 97% accurate and that controls were used. Fancy terms, but garbage in garbage out, the letter loaded was a corrected version, not the original one with spelling errors. The letters are too short. Normally stylometry is used for books and long passages. If something is 97% accurate, I expect to be able to bet my life on it. Whenever I hear the term “statistically significant” I think of someone trying to pull the wool over my eyes. Yes, I’ve been schooled in statistics, but statistically significant is not the same as practical significance. The letters are clearly from different people. My job title in the Army is “Operations Research and Systems Analyst”, ORSA for short. A short blurb on this describes the career field well: “ORSA officers use analytic methods and mathematically based procedures to enable leadership decisions in a constantly changing global environment. The ORSAs introduce quantitative analysis to the military decision-making processes by developing and applying probability models, statistical inference, simulations, optimization and economics models.” The most important thing is that I work everyday with ORSAs software engineers, data analysts, etc. I have a great network to pull from, even if I can’t do the work myself. Eric actually asked Nicky, and Nicky clearly admitted that he does not know about Stylometry. He called it AI, which is not true, it is not AI. Jude has made his usual fantastic claims on the DZ inserting himself into things he really has no business talking about. These were the two guys among others who were claiming Gunther made the whole thing up. Nicky clearly is parroting what he hears and has no concept of the underlying data, themes, software, or application. He constantly changes suspects and stances, and has created a maze for himself that he will never get out of. I’ve worked with Martin Andrade for many years, and he was one of the first people I talked to in the case. So, I don’t want this to come across as critical of him as a person. He has integrity. However, I do think that there is a group out there that enjoys bashing William Smith and my research, and this group seems to overlap with the Anti Eric Ulis group, they are the same people. I call it the anti-EU faction, the best term I’ve heard is The Cabal. That makes me laugh. I’m glad to be lumped in with Eric, I don’t always agree with him, but he does stand up for what he believes. I was happy to see him ask Nicky the hard questions last night. I’m open to evaluating letters from William Smith and his wife. Although I’m sure the family will not provide those, no more than they have been able to provide pictures of Smith from the 1970s. That is a different item, and I continue to do my research on that. William Smith continues to be a very viable and interesting person. Even if Smith is proven to not have written the letters, he still stands alone as a good POI given his background. So: What does this mean? Well, Barb is not Clara. Barb has zero connection to the book. Zero. And frankly this is a ridiculous claim. The letters were postmarked New York City, she has no connection there. One editor was told to take a call at a phone booth in the PanAm Building in NYC, not something Barb would have been able to know about. I can’t see Max thinking Clara was a completely different person than LeClair and how he would be fooled by a man who became a woman. Also, why would Barb tell everyone she was Cooper and not tell them she was LeClair and Clara? The list goes on and on. So, she read Max Gunther, so did a lot of people. Of course, LeClair would contact editors in the New York area, he was from the area. Barb was in the Northwest when this was going down. Next steps: I am in the process of doing a deeper analysis on the letters to prove they are from different people, but anyone can see just by looking at the letters. Even using basic Microsoft Word for readability statistics will tell you the letters are different. There are two letters in the Gunther book from LeClair, one letter from Clara. There are three letters in the Forman book from Barb. I plan to look into all of those. However, it is clear that Barb is a completely different writer than LeClair and Clara. Nicky continues to be the spokesperson for the anti-Gunther and anti-Smith group and has focused all his efforts on discounting William Smith. No one seems to be asking him any questions about this. That would take integrity to do so. This recent news is not groundbreaking as Nicky stated, and it did not break the Vortex, and it is not the best of Darren’s podcasts. Darren has had over 70 podcasts since 2018, there are many ones that are better. Ryan stated that stylometry has been used in court. I agree, it has. However, this set would not be used in court based off such short letters. I’ve heard it compared to the Unabomber manifesto. That manifesto was 35,000 words, the Clara letter is about 200. Also, the Unabomber manifesto was read by Ted Kaczynski’s brother (after his wife), and they had a similar sized paper to compare it to. Those were almost exactly alike. The Barb/Clara letters are so very different. Some will say that this is Facebook, and we are just hobbyists. However, I think this group is different. This is not a group that meets to discuss flat earth, it is legitimate, and it ruins it for all of us when we tolerate trolls, or when we act like a bunch of school children jumping on the latest fad. If you want to see the letters, go to my site www.dbcooperhijack.com and go to FILES and you’ll see NEW: Clara-Barb Letters. Enjoy.

It would be great if the FBI tested the spindle or the lines. I can see them doing the spindle because of all the press, but the lines discussion was mainly within the Vortex, and I wonder if the FBI would have gotten word that DNA would be on the lines where Cooper held to make his cuts. It would be amazing if they did find that slide through OleMiss’s FOIA. It is odd that Rick McCoy gave his DNA. I hope that is due to new testing. Here is my issue. If the FBI has new DNA and they do the old STR testing, then we are reliant on sending in a suspect’s DNA or their family member’s. This is essentially a needle in a haystack approach. We basically have to find a suspect within the male population and right age range and hope they are the guy. Unless we are very lucky and actually have the guy, this just may never get us anywhere, unless by some stroke of luck he’s in CODIS. I bet Cooper is not in CODIS. It would be good if they do the SNP testing and then they can load it into the genealogy databases. I don’t know of any non murder or rape cases that have used SNP yet, but this was a violent crime and should qualify. The DNA is all great, but if it is not Cooper’s DNA then we have to hope the DNA is someone he knew and at least gives us a person and a location. I can see the tie not being his, but given there may have been a tie pin with a logo removed, that would indicate to me that maybe he felt the tie could identify him. I remain a little skeptical that Gryder’s YouTube or Eric’s lawsuit are the reason for this activity. I hope I’m wrong.

Some good conversation on the DNA over on Facebook for those who haven’t looked. Richard McCoy’s son weighed in. It seems that he gave the FBI his DNA, why they asked is still speculation though. It could be because Dan Gryder “found” that parachute and that was the catalyst to move to the next step. The FBI has always said they would consider things if someone found a chute or a $20.

Well, if he got banned then that narrows down who reported him. I’m assuming it takes more than just one person, given how hard it was to get rid of Blevins. People don’t like Fly calling out their theories with facts, they’d rather go to Facebook where everyone agrees with you, disagrees because of personal vendettas, or to join the anti EU faction. I’ll continue to rely on Fly for his observations. We all have our quirks.

For those not on Facebook, I posted this. February 1971 Ladies Home Journal mentioned in the first Gunther letter. A very similar story to the one he wrote in True in 1962. I suspect it was this 1971 article that triggered something and maybe made someone remember the 1962 article. For those who are looking for someone who ran away and never came back, this is where it came from. The Gunther letters indicate someone not totally satisfied with middle class suburban life. So to rule someone out who never actually disappeared shows a lack of creative thinking, poor knowledge of the book or having not read it at all, or not understanding Gunther’s previous articles. I had actually made a similar mistake when I first started, but once I was set straight by another researcher, I realized these articles existed. That was a few weeks into my research. Yet there are still people parroting this same angle after years of knowing about these articles. I’ll write more over at DZ. BREAK Some additional thoughts. The anti Gunther and anti Smith team continue to grasp at straws. I’ve heard the term “victimized” used to describe one of Smith’s family members, yet it was a member that is not me who has been posting screen shots with her name. He is using her for his own personal vendetta and I believe she may be too trusting to understand what is going on. This anti Smith team could easily have made contact five years ago when The Oregonian article came out, but they didn’t. They are not in it to help the Smith family, only help themselves. Remember, the Oregonian thought the Gunther connections were pretty good, as do many others. But, I digress. Rather than bury their head in the sand like is happening, I would suggest asking about some of the coincidences in Gunther’s book. Once you take away the hijack and disappearance section, you’re not left with many details. I’d be asking why the following items made it into a book. And contrary to statements made by biased, uninformed and low level thinkers, not everyone’s life can be made to fit this book. Also, in 1982 there were just not ways to cross check this info like we have now. In 1982 we only just got hold of the 1910 census. No Facebook no military records etc. like we have now. So. How do these items make it into the book and family does not wonder what is going on? Dan Clair’s son saw the connections. He’s a bright guy. A connection to NYC through post marks and knowing the phone booth at the Pan Am Building. Wife’s birthday of March 2. Born in Canada goes to Newark joins Army Gets a camera as a gift as a kid and his hobby is taking pics at his high school. **This one should give Smith’s family pause. A family property by a small lake. How many families can say their father and mother’s families had lake property on the same lake? A family member who goes on a long trip overseas. A scar on his hand, enough to note it. Again, Smith’s family should think. Someone in their life named Paul Cotton. Not too many in the US in the 1920s-40s. Yet one lived in Bloomfield, NJ. Oh, and a Clara named hospital right near Smiths’s house. Most suspects are ruled out quickly by age, or looks, or a number of other things. When this doesn’t happen, it’s time to maybe sit and think that maybe there is more going on. Maybe it’s denial, maybe it’s more, maybe some people will begin to think on their own and not be manipulated by a couple Cooperites with their own vendettas. A few of us have offered to do all of this behind the scenes and keep quiet, but I wonder now if that time has passed. Threats, veiled threats, and attempting to cost someone their job and career are quite over the line. Someone out there was DB Cooper.

Your height estimate. What is it in shoes and barefeet?

Georger. You made it clear that Gunther made the whole thing up. No need to worry yourself and be part of this piece of the conversation.

Male DNA. That indicates a team, at least a female to call Gunther and a male who licked the stamp. Or a male who did it all.

It’s only a matter of time before the DNA from the letter and stamp tell a story. If it is Gunther’s, then I’ll eat crow. If it isn’t, then I’ll relish in the fact that the haters were wrong.

One thing I think we’ve shied away from in this case is the confinements of marriage and kids and work. Maybe that is why Gunther’s stories and books resonated with men of the 70s. Back then divorce was just not the option that it is now. A middle aged man tied down with the complexities of life and at the end of his rope very well could be who Cooper was. It’s a taboo subject in this present time, but being tied down is tough for many. I wonder too if that is why men are so attracted to this case and not women. How many men don’t dream of getting away, if just for a moment? Was Cooper a loner with no family and friends? Possibly. No kid wants to think of their father or grandfather wanting to get away, but many men do it.

I remember debating Shutter on this one. I would not have thought much of the notes in a matchbook until I saw it in North by Northwest. It would be interesting if he did write notes like in the movie. Some pics about 2/3 down in the post. https://dbcooperhijack.com/2019/01/04/d-b-cooper-cary-grant-and-the-1959-film-north-by-northwest/ Has anyone actually tried to put glue on their fingers? Airplane glue? And seen how it works? I have not tried it, although I do remember as a kid making models that the stuff was pretty hard to get off my fingers

https://ericulis.com/pages/media-release-01-17-24?fbclid=IwAR0gz1__b2d4JYCAEnwG-unU5OK1MkEpVpUC9cLUTsddkQue6HNhaeOJveo

As noted by some, there has been a recent uptick in trying to discount Gunther. These people were silent on it a year ago. This group flip flops from saying it’s real but it can’t be tied to anyone, and then they claim it’s all made up, then they throw out names of who it could be. It’s coming from the JV squad and no one listens to them anyhow. When they don’t have a foothold in the case, they just pick something to complain about or someone to target like Smith, Hahneman, or Vince Peterson. None of them are deep or creative thinkers. We have DNA and it’s only a matter of time before that leads us to an individual or individuals through one to one testing or genetic genealogy. The good news is that I still have DNA left to test. I expect something solid within a year.

The attempts to discredit Max Gunther continue, to include Nicky attempting to contact people who knew Max and his family, trying to contact his family in hopes of finding info to discredit him, as well as others claiming Max’s book was completely made up. It’s one thing when a journalist writes a book review, but when members of the public insinuate that Gunther lied, then that impacts his credibility and affects sales of his books, which affect his estate and heirs. There are three main people taking part in this hatchet job on Max’s credibility. None of whom can hold a candle to his writing success. Legal fees add up when you go after an author like that.

He was flip flopping on whether the money could have been spent. He was adamant for years that it couldn’t be, but as soon as he found out Smith did not live in luxury, he changed his mind. I called him out on it and he deleted the post. He’s been telling Smith’s daughter what she wants to hear. She said he never wore glasses and never walked with a limp (she was 6). Nicky responded to this with “his name should be cleared from the record”. What we are dealing with is someone who changes his theories to fit his agenda, and then acts as if this major change is due to new evidence and that it is part of good research. This method essentially allows people to pick and choose whatever theory they want that day or suspect. It’s one thing to tweak your ideas and stay within your basic principles, but to make major shifts after studying the case for years is just odd.

I’d post this on Facebook, but Nicky is an admin and will delete it and none of the other admins will question him. Well, I didn’t see this one from Nicky coming. Apparently William J. Smith was afraid of heights. This one is baffling and is just one more thing to indicate how deep Nicky’s vendetta goes. Smith joined the Navy to fly. He volunteered for combat air crew training. He then completed Aviation Fundamentals school, then aerial gunner training and then aerial photography training. He was assigned to a Naval attack squadron and was on the aircraft carrier USS Leyte. But somehow he was too afraid to even clean the gutters on his house. Cooper or not, this is a great cover story for someone wanting people to not suspect you of being Cooper. Also, him having part time jobs, particularly one he got in 1980 are a good cover. Note: the Tena Bar money was found in February 1980. Nothing in Smith’s records indicate any issues with heights. When you’ve done what Smith did in the Navy, you don’t all of a sudden fear heights, unless maybe you’re hiding something or had some trauma related to heights. I still get a rush out of heights and I didn’t fly anywhere as much as Smith. That’s not a fear that’s a rush. Nicky has his enablers that don’t question a word he says, no matter how ridiculous. Jay is the main one, he claims to be a critical thinker, but he is never critical of Nicky. Nicky also has a few others who like all his posts and give him support, but will bash Eric and I. This same group will report me on Facebook and at the same time be nice to my face. I offered to one of Smith’s daughters to speak to her confidentially about William. What is unfortunate is that Nicky’s source chose him. Remember, Nicky is the one who pretended to be a female nurse to trick Robert Rackstraw. He’s also the one who has had three suspects and even suggested that Sheridan was tied in with Rackstraw. He also suggested strapping one of the Ingrams to a lie detector. I hope his source likes the part about him pretending to be a female nurse. I offered to provide his source with names of honest individuals. There are unbiased people in and out of the Vortex who would talk to the family. I’ll be getting a blog post out in the future that sums up what we’ve learned about Smith the past few months. All Nicky has done is successfully incited his source and helped dig a big hole when it comes to exonerating Smith. Nicky was a very poor choice for a contact. This all goes back to Vordhal for him, because he and I were fine before that.

I commented on Facebook about the notes and mentioned Nicky. He doesn’t like being called out for flip flopping on theories, so he deleted the comment. He has been adamant that the money could not be spent, and loves to quote the podcast with the money expert. At CC he referenced that podcast when asking Larry a question, but Larry basically said the money could be spent. It was embarrassing for Nicky. But now he’s singing a different tune trying to say the money was spent in order to discredit the William Smith theory. He’s completely all over the board on everything trying to push his agenda.

One suggestion is to determine where the witnesses were at the time, their age, their height, etc. For instance, some saw him from a distance others up close. Some knew it was a hijack others not. Also look for qualifiers like tall or short or skinny or fat. Where was Cooper too? Standing sitting walking? How long did they see him and how many times? Note. Age is more relevant for determining his age not height.

The census records say differently, so even if she was born in Poland, someone thought she was born in Michigan. As for the liver deformity and its impact. Are you a doctor now? She was 6 in 1971. She remembers this? None of this was in his records. He would not have qualified for Naval aviation with this and would have had many situations in life that would have resulted in being jostled around. He worked on the railroad, he smoked, he drank. So maybe he got sick years later. Maybe he had a death wish in 1971. Use your brain. How many people die a year from parachute accidents involving this liver issue? Not skydivers, but actual hard landings in military chutes? You’re just not a logical or critical thinker. You should focus on your personality rather than blindly regurgitating second hand information. You’re hearing what you want to hear, and frankly you are inciting your source. Your other cronies are hearing what they want to hear too. You’re severely biased as are your counterparts. Say what you want to say, but your theories carry no weight. Did he not have the brains to carry this out? Did he not have the courage?

I guess there won’t be an answer from Nicky because he realizes he’s wrong. Valeria Ostrowski is listed as being born in Michigan. This puts her as a good candidate for the entry in Gunther’s book. I was expecting Nicky to have a rebuttal from his source, but I’ve been told he was blocked. It’s still very convenient that there are no pics of Smith in 1971.

I’m not sure if you’re new to the case or just new to posting here. You may not be aware of all the background of my post. Being an “expert” and having three suspects that you’ve continuously pushed is not an evolution. Changing your views depending on the day is not critical thinking or honing your skills. A seismic shift in thinking has really not been warranted in this case since maybe the Colbert files came out.