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How many hijackers were actual pilots? To me a pilot indicates that they were likely an officer in the military. Not exclusively, but typically. And if they became a pilot as a civilian in 1971, then that might indicate they had money or resources, as well as intelligence. If this is the same FBI profile I’m looking at, they say Cooper was a high school graduate with some college, but also listed as executive type. I don’t put executive type as being someone with just a little college. My issue is that both Vordahl and Hall have been touted using just portions of the profile. If using this profile, then it makes sense to use the whole thing when referencing suspects.

The money was buried at Tena Bar. How do we know this? Well, EU says it and a hydrologist who went to CooperCon said it.

Marty got pushed into that whole thing. With time he may have been able to realize the program he used was outdated and that the amount of writing was not enough to make a comparison. However, anyone can compare what we have and tell you the letters don't match. I'll call it like I see it. I believed then and still believe now that it was an effort to discredit William Smith (unbeknownst to Marty). Nicky and Jude were quick to jump on the results, Jude and Ryan were part of the research, and Chris C. was right there to defend Marty and call the research legit. This was all exacerbated by the Dayton crew wanting Barb to be part of Gunther. It is always the same usual suspects. The amount of regulars on the case is small, so personalities and agendas are easy to spot. This is the video I did debunking the whole thing. I could do more, but it is not worth the time. At some point I should upload the files I used, but again, not worth my time right now. The whole stylomtery field is fascinating and I was able to correspond with some of the well known academics in the field. I even spent some time analzying posters on the old DB Cooper Forum and identifed a number of people with mulitple screen names. In those cases there was more than enough text to compare. It just goes to hilight the antics in this case. Frankly, I really miss Bruce Smith and a few others.

No one challenged it as far as I know, unless you count EU's Western Flight Path. I'd be curious to see what R99 and Georger think about it. Marty too. A few others.

This is the filight map that the PhD students made. I have not looked at this in a bit, but is this the original map they made, or have they adjusted it? It seems to have relied heavily on info from Chaucer, but I'm wondering why the times don't match up with the original FBI map, and it seems that there is a mark missing near the Columbia. The LZ looks to be south of where we had originally thought. Is that a Dr. Edwards thing or a Chaucer? Frankly I have not seen much of a deep dive into this map. https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/f55f8cf3e36a4fdabdf10b4ac031d514

Agreed. There will be any number of outputs depending on your input. Ask a program to make a pic of all the info available is different than saying "make a pic of a man aged 45, brown hair, narrow face, blue eyes, wavy hair" or "make a pic of a middle aged man, wearing these clothes, brown eyes, regular face" or upload a few sketches and then start from there. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder here. AI is fascinating and has a lot of good uses, but making an accurate sketch of DB Cooper 50 years later is not one of those good uses.

Hall has ushered in an age of the Chinese buffet in the case. A little bit of this, a little bit of that. Pick a little bit of Air America, Elsinore, explosives, parts of the FBI profile, some soldier of fortune, Castro, foundry, titanium, beef lo mein, General Tso's, and some crab rangoon.

Anonymous posters. 2008.

Gen X and proud!

The group went all in on Vordahal. All in on Barb being Clara. All in everytime the tie particles get looked at. The latest all in besides Hall is the A sketch and the small nose. But what is hilarious is that Hall keeps getting compared to the B sketch, it is on the cover of the book. Also, he has far from a small nose. So which is it? As Ted Kaczynski said "you can't eat your cake and have it too" Apparently Cooper is left handed. I don't see any turkey gobble on Hall. No color pics. He's just the latest suspect, there will be more. This is just one more opportunity to watch the group contradict themselves and then claim that changing your mind is a good thing. Bottom line is that they need this case and will continue to find things to get excited about. Please people get some hobbies. Maybe a girlfriend/boyfriend, a new spouse, a harder job, I don't know, something.

Some commentary on Ryan's YouTube video. I may add more later. I only watched a few minutes that was relevant to Skip, me, and Fly. First of all, I really don't mean this with malice Ryan. But you are very very deep into Cooper, maybe as deep in as I've seen anyone. You never miss a chance to reply to a thread, anytime something comes up, you do a video. I honestly don't know how anyone has 3 plus hours to spend on a weekday night doing Cooper videos, or worse, a weekend. Week in week out. From an outsider's perpspective, any of us would be considered crazy for even spending a few minutes a week on this. But you've taken it to a new level. Hopefully I'm not the first one to tell you this, but you might want to think of ways to step away here and there. I speak from experience, it is nice to do, and you can still keep your eye on the case. It seems that in the past 18 months or so you've gone even deeper, and in the past maybe 6 months even deeper than that. There are other things in life. Hobbies, family, work, friends. If you consider some of the people in the Cooper case your best friends, ones you met in your 40s and hardly if ever see, then that seems a little off. Those are your choices though, not mine. It seems bad, even unhealthy for you. Anyhow, on your video. Fly and I did not leave the main Vortex group because we are ostracized. Maybe we are, but I assure you we don't care. I left on my own, Fly never really joined. He has always marched to the beat of his own drum, which I respect. He joined Facebok for a bit, but you claim Eric caught him. I don't buy that. Eric does not catch much, even when it is right in front of his face. I'd guess it was you or Nicky. I communicate with a few people on my own. There are a lot of people who are nice who really don't say much, and then there are the regulars who frankly I don't have a lot of interest in. A good number of them are peoople I just don't like. I didn't grow up with them, they are not family, I did not go to college with them, serve with them, live with them, etc. So being ostracized by the band kids or the JV volleyball team does not bothere me. The Muppets. Good one. I use that one a lot. We are showing our age. I think I used that to refer to Georger and Robert once. Oh well. Fly and I don't bitch, we call you and others out for your constantly shifting ideas. No one on Facebook seems to do that. As much as I'd like to leave, I think staying here and on Reddit will allow for people to at least see that there are more sides to the story. Hahneman. I've said how to pronounce the name. You keep saying it your way. It sounds petty. You are smart. Learn how to say it. I was born in Hahneman hospital, spoke pretty good German at one time, my father speaks it, one grandmother, and others in my family. It really comes across as a petty attack on Fly. Hall is your suspect right now. You say he's the best out there or the best that comes from the case. Then you say "he's not Cooper", you always play both sides. Never a straight answer. You are buddies with John, Nicky, Chris C., etc. You guys just won't stick with the facts. It is an adult fraternity for you guys. More to follow possibly. You guys went all in on Vordahl. You were all in on Braden before that. I joined in 2016 and there were plenty of files available on Cooper, have we really learned so much more in the past 2 years that warrants you changing from Braden to Vordhal to Hall (support)? I don't think so. Every argument of yours seems to involve using me or Fly or Smith or Hahneman. It is obvious to more than just Fly and myself. It reminds me of watching MSNBC or reading Twitter. Someone asked the other day what the best cigars were, and you can't even have a conversation without a bunch of people commenting on Trump's tarrifs. Fly is now Trump, everything he does is wrong (sorry Fly). I get the lawyer tricks. You are probably conditioned to playing to an audience, but all those tricks are getting old and are bordering on questionable integrity. I'm sure you are a good lawyer and respected, but the things you do in the case are questionable. I realize that in law this happens, but we are not a jury, we are not trying to win for our client. This is not a win lose scenario, in fact it is a lose lose. We are not really getting anywhere and won't. The Facebook group is group think. Please don't text me right after you read this. I want to enjoy my weekend and not think about Cooper.

I remember how people called out Vince Petersen for parting his hair differently than Cooper. The Facebook has a new fake account that likes to praise Ryan. Khadi Madama. Even has links to other accounts that are fake or don’t go anywhere. This fake user called Ryan “genius” for this forehead wrinkle. These fake account holders are simple to spot.

Ryan’s YouTube video. Oh boy.

Hall draft card. There are very few military records on him. He seems like a very average soldier. No color pics as of yet. Ryan’s AI photos now have Cooper looking yellow. Maybe Hall’s jaundice from hepatitis :).

His draft card says brown, so I’ll put that in the legit category. It also mentions a scar on his face. Not sure how big. Hall is better than many suspects. I don’t buy into the whole Cooper was CIA or some soldier of fortune though. My issue is the same as it’s always been with that group. No accountability.

Demolition training not needed at all. McChord could be picked out on a map. That list could be thousands of people. At least he passes the first round with age and eye color. A lot of people say they know who Cooper is and we find out he’s 25 and had light eyes.

I remember him mentioning the categories, but I meant that I’d like to see the matrix in action. I assume it’s in Excel, and I’d like to see how the points are calculated. Is it one point if you have something and zero if you don’t, etc. At first the wrinkles did not seem like a big deal, but after seeing the pics in the book, Hall seems to have the noticeable wrinkles in most pics.

Any summary on why Skip is the best Cooper suspect since Vordhal? I’ll get to the transcript at some point. From what I have now, this is why Skip is the best suspect. 1. Ryan doesn’t like Fly. 2. Ryan does not like Hahnemann as a suspect. 3. Skip was anti Castro 4. Skip is number 1 in Ryan’s matrix that no one has seen and no one has been able to input their own ratings. Maybe I’ll ask on Reddit.

It will be buried in a 3 hour YouTube video with commentary from the peanut gallery about how awesome the information is. I used up all my Cooper time last night reading the Skip book. Hopefully Ryan summarizes things for those of us who prefer things to be written down.

I read the book last night on Kindle. John is meticulous. I just have a different interpretation. I have some commentary I’ll put together. My initial impression is that Hall was a story teller and exaggerated things and that from the standpoint of a regular person/civilian that his military experience was interesting, but from someone who has served and knows the deal, I don’t find it unusual at all. His military experience that is. Now his Cuba stuff, I’d have to look at more info. I think he liked the attention. I’d like to hear the top 10 reasons he is the best Cooper suspect or even a top one.

Help us out here, what are say the top 5 to 7 things that make Hall this fantastic Cooper suspect? Above all the rest or most of the rest? Remember, we heard that about Klansnic, Vordahl, Braden, Catalano, etc. etc.

I don't know if John L. is being diplomatic, or he really believes that by calling someone a POI instead of a suspect absolves him from any "ethics" issues imposed by the social club. EU was one of the first to claim using POI was ok, but not suspect. So calling someone a POI, writing a book, or having news stories is ok, just as long as you don't use the term "suspect". Anyone who subscribes to this is just splitting hairs. The Vordahl team absolved themselves of all "wrondoing" by not putting him on Wiki or the news, but it was ok to announce him at the conference and for Nicky to blast his name every day for years. The fact is that the social group does not make the rules of life or ethics. It is a bunch of hobbyists, known mostly to a small group. Mary J or others who want to criticize can keep doing it, I'm fine to be judged by people who have no impact on my life. Also, John says that because he is not a suspect peddler then it's ok and because he has not come out and named Hall as Cooper then he is still above the fray. He wrote a book about him, it is on Amazon under DB Cooper books. Come on. Enough of the hypocrisy from the whole Vortex. If you mention someone in the Cooper case, then you are outing them, whether or not they have a criminal record. Own it. Who are the suspect peddlers? That term has become cliche. Does having one suspect make you a peddler? Two suspects, three suspects like Nicky? I don't have an issue with John's research, it obviously took a lot of time. My issue is that no one is willing to question anything.

I’m confused here. I thought the A sketch is your go to now.

Right. Only Cooper knows. But you’d think by the Facebook posts that the Cooper group knows exactly what he meant 50 years later. The color of the parachute is a new one. We can’t even get the rigs right, but somehow we know what color the canopies were. We just don’t know for sure on many things.

I think he just meant Minnesota is nice country, which it is, very nice. But there’s nothing to say he would not use puns and jokes. He said “I don’t bite”. He seemed to be having a good time.