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Were there left and right side pulls? At first thought you’d think a lefty would want a left pull, but thinking that made me think of packing gear in the Army, on yourself and on a vehicle (tank). Everyone had to be the same should someone else need to get to the gear quickly, specifically the first aid kit. I remember skydiving instructors having to pull jumper’s ripcords, and my guess is those always had to be in the same place for safety. One of the more experienced skydivers might be able to comment on whether the handle location was often changed.

My research is in line with Fly’s. I talked to some Navy guys of the era about a plane named the Twin Beech. Beechcraft. Recon plane and had other uses. They sent me pics and this info. This would indicate that air crews would know harnesses and chutes but may never have jumped. Makes me think of a life preserver drill you’d do on a ship, but may not have gone overboard. “The aircrew would wear parachute harnesses but the QAC chest packs were stowed in the cabin. In the SNB-5P/RC-45J they stowed quick attach chest pack parachutes on the back of each of the forward cabin seats on bungees and hooks and the aft seat ‘chute was stowed under the seat on the floor with similar bungees and hooks as can be seen in the photo. The pilots stowed their QAC chest packs on a shelf right across from the entry door. The door could be jettisoned to bail out.”

Have you ever dealt with the US Government? This does not surprise me at all.

Was Reynolds Metals in Portland looked at? I seem to remember some chatter about an Alcoa plant and was wondering if that is the same place?

Working completely independently from each other, both groups zero in on the exact 3 particles and then independently both decide on RemCru? How is that possible? Eric was talking about this well before anyone else.

I don’t think anyone is saying that box was filled with all the particles. My observation is in line with many others, and that is we don’t know where the tie was before or after. When there are stories of FBI agents wearing it at parties as well as 14 DNA profiles and Tom’s DNA, then one has to wonder. My stance as been the same for years. The tie probably came from some industrial setting. Tracing that to one location is impossible, regardless of how much we’d like to do that. For a large group of people who disagree with Eric on things, it’s unusual to now see them agreeing with his research on the particles. One final note. There is this push to go upstream on the particles, as in where were they manufactured? Why not go further upstream and find where they were mined or refined? But better yet, why not go downstream to where these elements were used? You guys say “metals”. Do you realize how many metals related companies were in the US in 1971? We helped win WWII. The US went to the Moon in 1969. This discussion is fun, but the lectures are getting tiring. None of the elements on the tie are uncommon. None. Some are just more common than others. Find some uranium or plutonium and then we have a lead. When will we have scientists with documented degrees in science at the Masters or PhD levels giving us credible information? Has McCrone weighed in? I’ll say this to both teams about both suspects. If the tie theory fell apart, is your guy still a good suspect? Age? Description? Background? If you found someone at RemCru who fit the profile better, would you consider him? How do you know you found everyone that worked at those companies in 1965? I can’t even find out who worked at an office a year ago.

I don't see Cooper as a skydiver, but the narrative for a while was that there was no way he was a skydiver because he chose the military chute and a skydiver would have chosen the civilian one. That term "luxury" has been burned in my brain for years, but lately I'm sensing that it simply was not luxury. So one of the reasons we discounted skydivers may not be a valid reason anymore. I still think there are other reasons though that indicate he was not a skydiver to the level of a Sheridan Peterson.

So is the general feeling now that both back chutes were both actually more military vs one being military and one being civilian (military modified chute) and that they were essentially the same?

I must have missed this one, or have forgotten. Aspersions on Tina or on LD or on DB Cooper?

What's interesting is in the pic I have from the book, this middle paragraph is removed, so it reads as "as soon as this lowering of the door and stairs were accomplished in flight.." So from the book, it seems contradictory, but from the actual 302 it is not.

I argued this one with Eric back in June. 3 times in that communication they mention stairs lowered in flight. It is also in a 302 from Tina (it is in Martin's book), I don't have it handy, that says lowered in flight, but then a few lines down she contradicts that. My argument to Eric was not necessarily that one was right or wrong, but that there is ambiguity, and therefore I can't buy into this absolute statement that he wanted to jump near Seattle. My issue with Seattle is that it is urban, and there is a lot of water there. Cooper is taking a huge risk jumping near there versus something more suburban like outside of Portland. He also does not know when that plane will hit 10,000 feet, so if he planned to have some time to freefall or to get that chute open. He did jump near Portland, so I give that some weight.

Yea we aren’t likely to get Cooper’s DNA readout. I remember years ago hearing that they had 9 loci, but it was told to me with the caveat that I could not chat about it. So some of you guys had some good inside info, which is a good thing. The DNA thing has always fascinated me, both from a Cooper standpoint and from personal family research. I’ve had my DNA uploaded for a while, and that gives one a whole new insight into how people are related. The Golden State Killer case went back to 4th cousins (I’ve read 3rd too). They had 1,000 people to look at. Even if those 1,000 were still alive, that’s 1,000 out of 350 million in the US. The chances of DNA matching or two people being related is very very low. So when there is a DNA match, it is pretty foolproof.

The most recent release Part 77. Page 263-264 on the PDF, lower right corner says DB Cooper-33623

Yea, that's my concern, that the DNA is not really Cooper's. However, if it is his, then the odds of someone's partial profile matching this partial profile are astronomically low, so if someone was ruled in, there's a good shot he could be Cooper. I checked my notes and I was tracking 13 STR locations for CODIS. I also read that they can go up to 22 locations. But even with the 9 locations they have for "Cooper" that would narrow the field down a lot. But at this point I think you'd need to exhume a body or find something of theirs still in storage. The FBI won't be doing this.

Wow. This is news to me. I'm guessing it is off the tie.

"canonical five" is that Tina, Flo, Alice, Mitchell and ????

10 missing interviews? As in those passengers were interviewed and we just don't have those yet, or are those additional interviews with the passengers already interviewed once?

Interesting that they actually posted a DNA profile of a suspect. This is not the DNA process used for an Ancestry.com though. I'd be curious what their Cooper profile looks like and if all these locations have data for Cooper too. This shows 9 locations. I'd have to dust off my DNA notes, but I think the standard was 13 locations. Georger might be able to comment some. If they were ruling someone out, then they must have this below info for Cooper.

I'm guessing that someone in the FBI is reading the forums. This latest release as the Shelton lead, EHS, a blurb on Sheridan Peterson, DNA stuff, etc. I still need to read through the rest. EDIT: Duane Weber DNA tested too.

How did the Reca team find this Jeff guy, or did Jeff come to them?

I'll need to either mute Slim King or check this site every ten minutes. I step away for a bit and come back to pages of updates. Ok, so the TiSB is the same stub or item number for both suspects. You guys are just interpreting them differently, or interpreting them the same way, but with different conclusions on suspects?

I don't have the Excel file handy. I was particularly interested in the Zirconium and partially interested in the Silver and Tin. Is that further down the column? As I remember each stub had something like 30-40 particles listed. Are the Vordahl stubs the same as the Petersen ones or different? Eric was talking salt, which I'm guessing is Na. Where is that on these stubs (674 and 675)?

No one has Eric's particles listed or the location the McCrone report???

Are the Vordahl elements and the Petersen elements the same part #s on the McCrone sheets? I've got all of those on separate tabs and was hoping someone could point me to who is using which ones. The Crucible patent calls for Zirconium, Silver, Tin, and Aluminum along with the Titanium and Antimony that Petersen would have been in contact with. Are all those found together? I'm trying to understand what Zirconium is used for. I feel comfortable analyzing quite a bit of subjects, but mettalurgy is one of those areas I'd feel more comfortable talking to a PhD about. But figure for laymans terms, someone on this group can probably get us in the right area. It is all very interesting and I was going to chat with Tom Kaye, but on Citizen Sleuths he says "This data is complicated to look at. Please do not email asking how to interpret it." For full disclosure, I wrote on my blog a number of years ago that I was skeptical of the Titanium being from some Top Secret area of research, given that Titanium was in such demand that we had to import it from the Russians during the Cold War.

Thanks. It sounds like he is repeating what Tina told him versus actually seeing the matchbooks in the cockpit. When I was watching the whole video, he said that Cooper said "McChord is 20 miles from here." I've seen 20 miles, 20 minutes. I guess we won't know for sure what he said.