CooperNWO305

I'll have to look at it when I get to another computer. The site may be blocking my location. I found some other posts about this site and it looks like there is some detail on bills and how long they stayed in one area. I suspect that in 1972 or so if Cooper spent a bunch of his $20s in one spot, that a lot of those $20s would have circulated locally for a bit, maybe weeks, maybe months, etc. Therefore if the FBI had gone to major cities and collected up San Francisco Federal Reserve bills of 1963A and 1969 series, that they would have found a $20, and if not, been able to say with a good amount of probability that Cooper did not spend the $. Obviously this is all in hindsight.

Did Cooper spend the money is always a topic of discussion. I was thinking this morning as to what benefit it would be if the FBI found a $20 in circulation. We know from the Tena Bar money find that there was some value for discussion in finding the money. But what if a bill was found in circulation? That led me to think about how far money travels from where it is spent. I came across this website https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where's_George%3F, which for some reason I can't access from my current location. It is more curiosity, but I was wondering if a $20 was issues by the San Francisco Federal Reserve, would it be put into circulation in San Francisco, or put into circulation in many spots? And, if someone spent a $20 in Portland, how long would it take to get to New York City? What would the FBI have been able to deduce if they found a $20 in circulation in 1971 versus 1981, etc? If someone spent a bunch of San Francisco $20s in say Texas, would that have raised more of a flag than say spending those in San Francisco?

Looks like someone who might be able to tell the difference between a 28 year old man and a 45 year old one.

If you're interested in Recca, then by all means have at it. But if you're interested in the case as a whole, there is not enough time in the day to go down the Recca rabbit hole and research the many other aspects of the case.

Which user is Carr on that Reddit post? I did not realize he had posted there.

I don't know of anyone on this case who has done more research on the bills than Flyjack. I have not kept track of every entry, but his process is sound. If someone is interested in getting background on the bills, I'd recommend reading his entries here on the DZ.

Flo mentions him putting on the parachute. Did she hear this from Tina or see it? Skyjack does not mention him being good with the harness. Maybe Bruce’s book does. Martin’s book and podcast mention him being good with a harness. Skilled.

I was just reading her testimony in Martin’s book and did not see mention of him putting the chute on, but I knew I had read it somewhere. Thanks for posting.

Let's say these sightings were of Cooper. Would it indicate he jumped further north, or was blown further north, or that he decided to walk north?

Looks like a lot of tips from the public, many handwritten, and replies from the FBI. Some info in there about McCoy, which will be ignored by the McCoy fanatics.

Dudeman it’s been a while since I’ve read the fatalities list that used to be in the skydive magazine. It would explain some of the deaths. But as I remember a lot of the deaths (a very small portion of the total jumps) often had to do with hitting another jumper in the air or hitting power lines on the ground. I’m guessing there is some database that might show cause of death. If Cooper pulled then there is a good chance he survived, and even if he didn’t we should have found a parachute. I agree on the military training. There are certain things you just never lose. Training at a young age is one of those. So many of these WW2 vets took off their uniforms and became regular guys. Even family members might have a tough time picturing their loved one doing this, yet they probably were in risky situations in the military.

Aren’t you listed as a Citizen Sleuth? I figured Larry knew you well.

Nicky good to have you back on the DZ.

I haven't seen the smoker one lately, I'll have to look around. He was clearly a smoker. I personally think blue eyes should be ruled out. That leaves brown, and what gets me on that is that somewhere along the line the term "piercing brown eyes" came up. Someone thought somewhere that Cooper did not just have brown eyes, but really dark brown eyes. Not sure if this is accurate or not, but I wonder if it came from Flo. Some people have characteristics that just stand out, so maybe his eyes did stand out. Larry Carr made an interesting comment on the Facebook page about holdbacks. He basically said that he held back some info in the case that was minor and may be out there now, but that a 90 year old man would remember. I interpreted this as they had some info, maybe just small, that if a 90 year old suspect was asked, he would remember specifically. Maybe a scar? Or something little he did. Asking someone something they said 50 years later does not make sense. Maybe something in his note?

Some discussion on the Facebook page about Cooper's eye color. Larry Carr echoed what he said on the DZ many years ago, which was basically not to re-write the narrative, and when you start questioning everything, when does it stop? Some comments were made wondering if the gate agent/ticket agent saw his eyes. When the sunglasses went on. If Flo was a reliable witness, if Mitchell was too, etc.

Might not fit the Gunther timeline. The second contact with him was in 1982 (first in 1972), and he published in 1985. I'm not familiar with Ha Ha Ha, as in I don't own it and don't care to own it. We still don't have any files on Gunther in the 302s, but he claims to have contacted the FBI and says Himmelsbach has his info too. Maybe Him's heirs might have some info.

Couple comments. I wonder if Cooper could have had airplane model glue on his fingertips. How does someone do everything he did and not leave prints? Unless he wiped everything, which is quite an effort. Although I think I remember you mentioning that the tie looked like it could have been used to wipe prints. Could nothing of use just mean that the prints did not match anyone in the systems? One the NCIC for the $20s. Is it possible that Cooper could have spent some of the $20s and those few just never got checked? There were billions of $20s out there, you'd think we would have examples of agencies checking bills.

This one is confusing. Did he keep the sunglasses on while wrapping the bag? If it was dark, then it would be hard to see even without sunglasses. Maybe there was still low light.

Mucklow.

Cabin lights off, or dimmed. Not an exact quote. He wanted the lights off or dimmed. There has been speculation that this might help his night vision when jumping, as would the sunglasses being worn in the light. Or the lights could have been to prevent snipers from getting him.

This is good. Page 59 talks about night vision and maintaining it. Example: Sitting in a dark room for 30 minutes. Could this be the "lights out" request he made? Page 69 talks about the actual jump, waiting a few seconds to slow forward momentum and reduce the shock.

It’s been a while since I saw the movie. What was the scenario?

We all have personality conflicts with someone else in the Vortex. I’ve never known Fly to be a bully. I’d actually say he’s the exact opposite. He calls everyone out. He’s a peaceful guy who has a lot of case knowledge. So does Georger and so does Blevins. It’s a loss for Fly to not be on the boards. That’s my opinion. This isn’t taking sides. Chaucer you’ve had some good posts and seem to adapt well. If we get too heated with eachother then it ruins the fun. Maybe you guys should just not respond to eachother. Don’t take this as I don’t feel like knocking some people out sometimes. :)

Thanks Dudeman, I was hoping you'd jump on and give us some background.

I really think he split up the money, even if it was just a small amount.