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I was trying to get to the original DZ posts. There is a link that used to work. But it is not working for me. It might be the computer I'm on.

Nicky: You're thinking this is not Cooper? It sounds like they were talking about him.

As stated before, I firmly believe that Gunther's book is our best bet in finding out how DB Cooper was. In the book it is written that Clara called Max a half dozen times between April and August of 1982. One thought I had was that the money find in 1980 and the movie "The Pursuit of DB Cooper" released in November 1981 put the case back in the spotlight. When "The Pursuit of DB Cooper" was released, Universal Studios offered a $1 million reward for information that would lead to his capture. All of this news may have spooked Cooper and Clara, or it could have re-invigorated them. I'd be curious to know how Cooper felt when the Unsolved Mysteries episode came out. Although, I would guess that a movie in the theaters would have brought more attention than an Unsolved Mysteries episode.

Some of it does not fit with Gunther's character, or at least Gunther did not mention it (seminary, bomb being his "voice", etc.). Here are some things from this profile that do sync up with Gunther's character (from my perspective) He had issues standing/speaking up for himself growing up and thus he's always compromising when faced with confrontations. He has void within himself where he feels unremarkable so he does what he feels are remarkable things to try and fill that void. (speculation that there is a void and that he is trying to fill that void. This is more clinical than Gunther was) Attention seeker and the resulting attention is self satisfying enough for him even if he isn't personally acknowledged. (I don't see him as an attention seeker, but the rest is accurate) Doesn't have to announce afterwards, look it's me-----look it's me. Parachuting experience, both day and night times and in inclement weather. The event began as a simple fantasy. He probably never thought it would ever become reality. Fantasized in stages so he would have doodled stuff on paper. Possibly in his own covert language. The money was not his primary focus in his fantasy. It was initially all about the plane and the jump. Somewhat recent stressor point in his life caused it to go from fantasy to reality. Examples: Separation, Divorce, Job loss. The more I read it, the more I think that the original poster has read Gunther's book. Simply put, very few people have come up with this "profile" outside of those who are into Gunther's book. Certainly very few of the suspects fit this mold. William Smith checks a lot of these blocks.

When will we see?? You’ve always found good stuff.

Flyjack. You did some research on the matchbooks a while back. Did you look into ICS International Correspondence School located in Scranton, PA?

More witness images?

Based off what I found on Ancestry with a quick search, Kenny has Scandinavian (Denmark) roots and what looks like English and French. Not to say there is no Southern Europe in there, but I don’t see it. Granted that there are exceptions to every rule, but swarthy and olive are not usually terms associated with Denmark or England or France (maybe the south of France). This is a situation where it would have been good to have follow on questions. Witness A says he’s swarthy. So show some pics of people and have them identify what swarthy is. Same for olive. Is Dean Martin swarthy? Al Capone? Richard Nixon? What is olive? Is Fidel Castro olive or swarthy? Regardless of all of this, we have a composite B that is pretty detailed and shows a white man with medium skin maybe dark. Not pale. And contrary to many comments on other boards, not every American male in 1971 looked like that.

There is no way Kenny is DB. But if Blevins could show that he had Latin or Mediterranean or southern/Eastern European heritage it might be better than just saying he had a tan that day.

Where is Blevins saying this? Even if Kenny looked olive, he’s ruled out for so many other reasons.

I agree that using the 302's description of race as white does not rule out someone of Hispanic descent. I worked in market research for a few years and race/ethnicity always came up and was confusing even among experts in surveys. The technical aspects of the census or dictionary versions of race/ethnicity don't always align with how people use the terms in everyday conversation. Many people would say Hispanic is a race, even some Hispanics. Many would say their race is Caucasian, when that is technically not a race anymore (I think). The most recent batch of 302's has a number of suspect profiles. For race there were mainly white, but Caucasian was listed twice (not a race). There was no entry a few times, and one American Indian. Attached are the questions in the 1970 census regarding race and origin. This is where recordings of these conversations would have been useful. Realistically if race is listed as white then we can rule out a lot of races (Japanese, Chinese, Black), but not anyone of Hispanic descent or American Indian. It's best to look at the actual descriptions like you've mentioned Flyjack. I'd be more interested in asking "What descent do you think the person is?" or "What country of origin do you think the suspect is from or his ancestors?" I interpret the information as Cooper being American, probably native born, with relatives from Eastern/Southern Europe, which could include Spain, and therefore by definition any of the Spanish/Portuguese colonies (Mexico, Brazil, etc). Given the small population numbers of American Indians, I would guess he was not American Indian, but it could be possible. Also, if we figure Cooper was born in the 1920s, then it means his parents were born in the late 1890s or 1900's. The US is a melting pot now and many of us can trace ancestors back to many different countries and parts of the world. That was not as much the case if you were born in the 1920s. There would be a good chance that both your parents were descended from one part of the world, or even from the same country. Just look at the ethnicity pockets in US cities in the 1900's. There were Irish sections. Italian, Jewish, Hungarian, German, etc. In my mind, the olive/swarthy etc. clearly rules out Rackstraw, McCoy, Recca, Peterson, and probably some of the other candidates.

One of the writers of Dan Cooper had an earlier aviation comic named Buck Danny. Interesting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Danny

One of the writers of Dan Cooper had an earlier aviation comic named Buck Danny. Interesting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Danny

I imagine they did. I remember getting foreign currency in Boston before going go Europe and that was in the 90s and 2000’s. This was before ATMs were prevalent. The 70s were even harder to use credit cards and there weren’t ATMs. A city like Seattle that was an international hub and close to Canada must have had foreign currency. And the airport too. All those inbound flights from Asia and Canada would have had passengers needing to exchange money and leaving their foreign currency at the American bank. Still seems odd though. I would think if you asked for $200k in Seattle that you would get it in American dollars. I’d be worried that they would give me brand new crisp bills never put in circulation and therefore easier to trace. Maybe he figured the short timeframe would not give them a chance to register the serial numbers.

Circulated sounds a lot more realistic.

I was thinking that if Cooper is ever identified, that we will all still be speculating about the how’s and why’s. In terms of the money comments, I wonder if Cooper was trying to sound cool or if he thought by being so close to Canada that they might give him Canadian dollars, or maybe he thought they would give him a mix of dollars and other country’s currency like Mexico or Cuba or possibly that the bank might not even have $200k in only US dollars. Other scenario could be that the airports had many different currencies at the exchange booths for international travelers. Lots of possibilities. To say negotiable (if he said that for sure) indicates that he thought he might not get just American dollars. The crew notes indicate “negotiable.”

I need to find some time to look through these. Anything good? I see a lot of entries where people think they spotted DB Cooper. That stuff just gums up everyone’s research.

This needs to be shown to everyone who thinks McCoy is Cooper and then be asked to explain why they still think he is Cooper.

It seems very possible that the money Cooper handed to Tina is the same set that ended up at Tena Bar. There are a number of scenarios that make more sense than landing at Tena Bar or walking. Cooper could have put that money in a pocket of the coat and discarded the coat to look more like he was a hiker or threw it in the river to make it look like he died.

Fly. 85 would still leave 215 Tbar bills. Do we not know the serial numbers on those other 215 or so? As I understand, Brian got back a portion and the insurance company a portion. Did the FBI keep some? The initials on the bills make me think this was found at Tina Bar. I’ve heard speculation that agents took some as souvenirs.

What’s odd is that Tina did not mention the neck like Mitchell did. But Mitchell still seems very credible.

What can Carr really tell us? It’s not like the day he retires he can all of a sudden release all this top secret information. I think his observations are important and will hopefully bring more publicity to the case. Who knows. Maybe he will retire and want to start a new career and have nothing to do with law enforcement and Cooper.

What are the pros and cons of the Tina Bar money getting there from dredging? From what I remember there was commentary that no in tact bills could make it through a dredger. But do we know what type of equipment was used? I seem to remember someone saying that they’ve seen lots of junk come out of that process. For those who believe the dredging theory, why haven’t you dug in areas where other dredge spoils have been deposited? Would you if you could?

Good point. It's not like the FBI was going to find a suit hanging in his closet and that be the smoking gun, unless it was some outlandish looking suit. I read it as the character in the book was not a guy who wore suits or even owned a suit, therefore he had to buy one at a second hand shop. Definitely fits with DB Cooper.