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>>What if you dont have farmer mcnastys but instead billy and the gang bangers!!!. THe DZ is out side the city however about two miles to the north there is a little section of town that is a gang area. Should we be trained to use riot gear at our DZ !!!!!>> Before they built the new road to Z-Hills the only access to the DZ's was thru a poor part of town, shacks no street light etc. Some small business men would conduct business at night (drugs) with customers that stopped their cars in the middle of the road. In order to get to the DZ we had to wait until the car/cars in front of us finished their tranactions. I guess the dealers knew that their place of business was on the way to the DZ and never got paranoid or bothered us. Some people said the dealers thought all skydiver's were nuts and felt it was in their best interests to play nice. Maybe if your concerned about having to land in the hood it might be wise not to have any red or blue on your gear. My guess is that if there reguler gang bangers they won't mess with crazy skydivers. However if you run into one that has just killed his mother or if you land in the middle of a gun battle than you may have to hit the deck or run like hell. Practice your emergency procedure's "duck and cover" or carry a cell phone.

I did a sign jump on my 200th jump. I jumped a small (18" square or so) banner first to try it out. The main thing I noticed is that the top half of the banner flutters so much as to render it unreadable. A 6 ft long banner I cannot comment on since I havnt tried it or seen it done. What I ended up doing on the 200th was to cut the top off a 3 ring binder (one with the clear front you can inset paper into), made a 8 1/2 X 11 inch sign and slipped it into the binder front. I put rope handles on the back of the sign to hold on to and jumped away. At pull time I hugged the sign to my chest and deployed without a problem. The sign catches air and you have to hold it so it catches the least amount of air. Otherwise it wasnt too bad. Good luck! JC

Cold duck, I got fam in silverlake mn do you know it? How busy is the Hutch DZ, ive never even seen it. Although i havent been to the area in a while -e

I did land off DZ a few times :) we al been there, nut i usually start tracking at about 4000 -4500' if i notice a long spot

Sounds like the dude ain't worried bout bouncing......

Atually, the JM pointed for the idiot to pull his ripcord but, he went for his cutaway handle instead. The JM grabbed his wrist and was trying to pull the guys hand away from it but couldn't. The only reasons I can think of to explain the instructor pulling the ripcord himself are either he was unable to see that the student had successfully pulled the cutaway handle since he was practically on the guys back trying to push his hand away from it or he did see and was hoping the rsl would activate the main. Either way, the "student" was a complete F**king idiot. From the video of his landing it looks like he was flying his reserve along the path of the powerlines even though there was a largwe empty field right across the road. During the interview he said that when he pulled the ripcord he looked up and saw that his canopy was "full and round". On the video, he never looks up. When he said he would never jump again, the truth would probably be more likely that they told him never to come back.

there was located a TERRIBLE mistake!!! at "http://www.dropzone.com/dropzone/Detailed/136.html" Address: Kolomna, airfield Korobcheevo City: Kolomna County: Russia Region: Asia WARN!!! this Region is NOT Asia but Europe!!! PLS B so kind 2 fix this! THX Alexx

>>So why do farmers or anyone get mad if you land on their property. I mean its not like your trashing the place especailly a pasture ful of shit!! whats the deal, anyone know.>> Farmer's make their living growing crops and raising farm animals. They don't make a penny from jumpers. When some jumpers land in a farmers crops they neglect to walk down the rows to minimize the damage to the farmers crops. This cost the farmer money due to the reduced yeild/acre. Some jumpers even drag their rig thru the crops or can't find their way out and walk around in circles causing even more damage. Hint: if your going to land in the tall stuff pick a exit route before you land. If the farmer has dairy cattle and they get spooked by a jumper landing to close this costs the farmer money because the dairy cattle's milk production can be adversly affected. Same with beef cattle the farmer is trying to fatten them up because he gets paid by the pound and if they get to much exersice from surprises from above The poor cow might lose a couple of pounds and the farmer loses money. Some jumpers don't know how to get out of a pasture without busting the farmers fence or they leave the gate open, animals can get out and the farmer has to chase them down befor they get run over. Who's being "nasty" the farmer or the jumper, how many times does it have to happen befor the farmer gets a bad attitude? Some DZ's try and be good neighbors and pay the farmers copensation for any damages, other don't. Of course some farmers are just plain nasty to everyone and everything they'll get pissed just seeing you walk down the road back to the DZ.

WRONG... We'll drink anything with alcohol in it if it's COLD. Ooroo Mark F...

Dela horosho!!! A tu otkuda?

Mike, Yep a 3500 "S" DAMN hard to track dowon a goodish example with an intact gearbox. (the output bearing housing twists..:-( ) That's one of a number of reasons I went with an ex candy car to restore. The police had Rover make all sorts of usefull mods and because Rover made the mods it's acceptable for concors events. If I was to make the same mods the car would be struck out as it has non-original non-manufacturer mods. The rear brake problem was solved, the BODY ROLL was reduced to non panic inducing proportions and the had air conditioning fitted......For use in London...Oh well perhaps there's something I don't understand...:-) I started out early with british cars, I started with a Hillman Minx and it went A-90, Vogue, Cooper S (woohoo), Rover 75, Rover 90, VW Golf (...????), LR and RR. Since the S brick I've always had a P6 or two about the place in various stages of (dis)repair. IMO it's THE definitive British car. Much more so than a Roller (although I wouldn't say no). I'm getting used to pulling the whole car apart to empty the ashtray...:-) Ooroo Mark F...

Mark F... here.... SkySlut wrote some stuff about horses... Years ago over in West Aust. I used to do a bit of ballooning ( which is very much more expensive than jumping ). Skydiving and ballooning happened from the same field usually with no problems....:-) The real problem was the horse stud next door on one side. We also had a cattle stud on the other side and over the road were sheep. The cattle and the sheep and their owners were no problem. Well the sheep would ALWAYS try and get directly UNDER whatever was coming down on 'em if they knew it was coming. Cattle don't seem to notice until you're on the ground. Horses are a different matter entirely. My ballooning instructor said about horses. "They're stupid unpredictable shits of things. If they don't trample you, they'll kill 'emselves somehow and the farmer sues. DON'T GO NEAR HORSES." Bulls are only a problem if you're between them and where they think they want to be. Of course working out just where they want to be is not easy...:-) Best to stay away methinks. The WORST animal hazard have to be GEESE. After a, let's just say out of the way balloon landing the 3 of us had a pretty bad time of it from about a dozen geese. Result we all ended up having stitches in our legs and one of the guys had his arm brkoen by one of the geese. Dangerous, stroppy buggers, geese. Ooroo Mark F...

When someone cracks this cryptic drivvel, would you please fill me in. I know she was having wine, but HOW MUCH is the question!!!! Sis, you alright girl??? Arohanui, B NZPF A-2584

This reminds me of a SL student that I saw on a similar show (AXN tv - I think it was) where he was hangin off the strut, but wouldn't let go. When he finally did, he panicked and grabbed for the wheel. So, hangin' on the friggen wheel, with the poor C-182 pilot looking at the ground rushing up on him thanks to the excess drag, the JM sticks his foot out the door and kicks the students hands. He lets go of the wheel...BUT grabs on the friggin SL, so it won't deploy the bag. Again, thanks to the excess drag the student is causing the plane to head in when it hits the JM (I seem to recall now, he was only a JM-in training and this was the students second SL, so it wasn't supposed to be a big deal), "I'm gonna have to go out and get him". So, in a spectacular display of bravery (and responsibility) he shimmies down the SL, yells to the student that he will cut the SL and then deploy the student's main for him (AFF style), and uses his hook knife to cut the SL. In the end, the JM was under a canopy by like 700ft(or something disgustingly close to that) and managed to get both down ALIVE. One week later, he became and official JM and I believed received some sort of commendation for his efforts. I say, "GOOD ON HIM!!!" Some students just shouldn't take this sport up. I believe the SL student went on to make 80 jumps in total, before realising that he was meant for better things. Thank goodness!!!! Arohanui, B NZPF A-2584

Farmer McNasty #1: First jump at a new DZ and one of the regulers & I landed at a golf driving range that was closed but patroled by a junk yard dog. Lucky for me the dog went after the local jumper who must have landed there befor and knew the drill. He simply covered himself with his canopy like a tent and the dog just barked at the "tent". Farmer Mcnasty #2: Z-Hills we landed in his pasture away from his cattle and walked to the gate next to his house and found the gate padlocked.We got the message and went as far away from the house as possiable and crawled under the barb wire fence befor we got caught. Farmer Mcnasty #3. We were warned not to land on his property next to the DZ conficate gear, guns etc. We landed 3 miles out next to the road and the farmer was not happy screaming, crossing his arms, Ms Mcnasty doing the3 same thing. There were about 10 of us and I was far enough away to see the body lanquage and headed in the opposite direction. When we got back to the DZ we found out Mr Mcnasty 4 miles away was the same mcnasty that owned the land next to the DZ.

Damn you Sis, I should learn to type faster!!!! Now I just look like a cheap poser!!! (whoever said I wasn't! - "Shut up conscience!"

Well, "Bob" we'd have to go with Mardi Gras on that one. Something about it says, "Fun with flavour". However, shouldn't the "best" design chosen be YOUR favourite, and not the forums??? I can appreciate getting the feedback, but do with what you like better. I know when I get to ordering mine, the colours won't be negotiable (any one guess what they are???no fair Sis, you can't cheat), but the patterns will be up for debate. very little of my sense. Arohanui, B NZPF A-2584

Cyber... Stop trying to pitch your canopy. We all know it is for sale!!!!

I bet she loved it!! 2 Studs in One night. All the girls in H.S. that I knew who would have done something like that, would have just bragged about it the next day...probably more than the guys!!!!! Shame for you though, sounded like you were in there!!!! Arohanui, B NZPF A-2584

Here is an idea, people cliff dive into water right? You know from 45-65 feet. I think this would be pretty cool to but a 5' military round and rig it up to a harness and do a modified s/l jump! Its something me and a buddy are thinking about, its fairyl safe because you are jumping into water! Just an idea, you could even rig a cutaway handle to for when you are 5' above the water! Pete

With Cyber's one... might make the ladies re-think the whole "clean to dirty" method, and reverse it...on purpose! Skreamer and Greg, y'all are just sick!! I like that in a forum! Cheers, Arohanui, B NZPF A-2584

Hey, how about some more choices for the guys!!!! I want one that shows my tummy!!!(j/k) Seriously, how about some unisex tanks, or long sleeve t's. No fair the ladies get more choices, although I vote for the one that shows tummy!!!!! my .02 Arohanui, B NZPF A-2584

skreamer,i cannot reveal me id just yet (nasty divorce) but u r rong. i had FFF onct but let em go. Mistake on me part but not agin. if ever i get me hands back on em and away from the 1 has em now twill be the last she heers from em. this woman will keep er man. not tried a S. Afrikaan but heer ye hav small penis's.

Jessh you two... GET WITH THE TIMES!!!!! Some of us have been using them for a long while now. Ahh, aren't children adorable when they discover new toys. Arohanui, B NZPF A-2584

How the hell did that one base jumper get his square to depoy in the 100' Jesus jump he did? I think he did a modified s/l or something. Anybody know?