Ron

Hit it on the head. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

That is your opinion. I think 10 grand was quite nice. I don't think many matched it. OK but this was not an act as the President. Him sending 350 Million and our troops was him acting as President. Why should he personally give more just because he was elected to an office? Go you expect your Mayor to give more to his church? I don't care what an INDIVIDUAL gives. It is between them, their family, and God/Karma/Whatever. As a person he did a nice thing. As a President he did the right thing. Just because he is President does not mean he needs to be a more generous human. Or be held to higher standards....And if you think it does...How do you feel about Clinton cheating on his wife and lying under oath? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, Love is pleasure. You don't eat a nice steak cause you love it. Please don't try and act like Mother Teressa. You are not going to school for the benefit of mankind. You are going to school to make money later (pleasure) and I commend you for it, I am just not willing to pay for it. And I have shown how paying for your school is a bad investment of MY money. But under your idea I would have had to pay for them while they were in school. When they drop out for these reasons, all that money would have been wasted since they would not have the big (As you claim) incomes that would be taxed to help offset the cost of their school. Again, a bad investment. You think the Reed brochure was gonna say it was a massive bong hit? And I know Jobs...He was they guy that was to busy flying his airplane to talk to some guys from a company that wanted him to develop the next operating system for their computers. Those folks were from IBM and they went from his office to Gates. (Information as usless as yours) BS and not the degree. It does not related to income and therefore they would not be paying the taxes on their large salaries to help "payback" the system for me supporting them...Like I said a bad investment. If my kid wanted to go to school for dance...I would not pay for it. A bad investment. Take into that deductions. And like we have already covered, not all are going to be Dr's and make the big bucks. Also consider the dropout rate for the reasons you have covered that are not economic....Again not a good investment. Just becasue you want it does not make it a good idea. And just cause you claim that it is the best interest for all does not mean it is. Just cause you claim you are doing it for the greater good of mankind...does not mean it IS the reason you do it, or that it is for the greater good. It is a bad investment. BTW why did the VA deny your GI Bill? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Your opinion. And it is clear you hate him. So you are holding him to a higher standard than anyone else. Like I said he gave more in both actual dollars and in % of income than most. You will of course never admit it was nice of him. But I expect nothing less. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Maybe, but he still has a house he has to pay for. The Government gives him money to invest? It is simple. He did a good thing. Something that very few people would be willing to do even if they had the money. Your hatred for him is so great that he could not do anything that would make you approve of anything he does. All of the lefts heroes have not been close to as generous. But you don't see me slamming any one that gave. Why do you feel the need to slam someone for being generous? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No I just went to the center of the problem. You like to say how others should spend their money. You hate him so much you can't admit he did a good thing. That is the basis of the problem. But it is your problem and not mine. I don't tend to tell others how to spend their money. You do. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I bet most of the moderation is in SC. So those in SC would have a better idea of bias than someone who never posts, or just reads the Saftey and Training. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yep answered it just fine. You want to say how others can spend their money while you don't spend yours. Your hatred of the man will not even allow you to admit he did a good thing. Instead you would rather find a way to ahte him and fuel your hate. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I'll get over it as soon as you do. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

did you give 3%? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Yes. Of course society would be less stressed if we all had our houses, cars, and hookers paid for also. However, that idea is directly opposed to the foundation of this country. People are motivated by two things; Pleasure and pain. You are going to school to increase your pleasure later. Make no mistake you are not going to school to make society a better place. You are going to get a good job and make money so you can buy nice things. Yes, you will pay taxes, but your motivation is pleasure. People are also motivated by pain. I was broke once. I made less than poverty level, and went hungry many times. That fear made it so I busted my ass to make money. To this day I invest 20% of my salary so I will never have to feel that way again. If there was a public support system in place to prevent me from going hungry....I might not have had that fear. You want me to pay for you to go and get a better life. My only reward would be watching you drive a 50k car and live in a big house. Thats a bad investment since I now have people going to school of their own free will. You are not my child so why should I have to pay for you to go to school just so you can later make twice what I do? Bad investment. Not true. What about the large dropout rate? Or those students that are in a Liberal arts program like "Dance"? They are not going to make more to offset the cost of their education. Also most degrees will bring you 1 million more over your lifetime. Thats still a bad return on my investment. Your implications that you are going to school to benefit mankind is ludicrous, innacurate, and unfounded. You are going to school so you may live a better life...good for you. Don't expect me to pay now so you can drive a Porshe later. Like I said, you are not my kid. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Did you give 3% of your salary? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

It seems to me that its more about your hatred of him more than anything else. Did you give more than 3% of your yearly income? I did not. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

The President makes 300k (I was told 250K but he might have gotten a raise so we will use 300K) He sent 10k from his own pocket. Thats 3% of his personal income. He already gives over 11% a year based on his last tax returns. So he did lead by example. He sent in 3% of his yearly salary. I bet thats more than most. You guys look for any reason to slam Bush. Like I said where is "The man of the People" Kerry? Where is "President of the Decade" Clinton? Where is the "Biggest Bitch about everyone else" Moore? He gave 3% of his salary. Thats more than most to include the stars. Did you give 3% of your salary? I didn't. I find it sad the lengths you guys will go to try and slam Bush. If he had given 300K you would have bitched about that not being enough. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Then Kerry should send the rather large amount of funds he got also...It did not do him any good... BTW what did Sorros send in aid? How about Moore? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

http://tonyhathaway.com/...;image=010105-01.jpg Like this is something different? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

1. Can't Richards will not let you fly any aircraft at his DZ unless he owns it, or you need more than he can supply (or type such as tailgate for bigways). 2. A KA only holds 12-14. While its greater speed makes up for that, it would confuse the cycle and we would spend time waiting for clear airspace. Not saying it could not be done, but #1 pretty much rules that out from the go. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I guess I am just mad that I never got to sacrifice that much for my country. I instead took the easy way of serving in the Military and getting the GI Bill, then working a FT job while going to school. All this and my Doctor, after such a hard life, gets to drive a Porshe. I tell you that man is a saint!!!!! "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

No, but then again I don't care. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Tom wrote: This would allow the Mods a tool to do their job based on more than just a "feeling". It would also allow a check and balance to see if there is a bias. If one guy has been banned for saying "boogger" (Anyone get that old TV reference?) by a guy that has banned him for other non, or small infractions before that they have not done anything to others for the same thing. It would allow the other mods to see if one Mod is using a bias. So if a Mod is unfair nothing should be done about it? I agree we all have the right to not come here. But you are saying that nothing should be done no matter what if a problem is perceived? This poll so far 39 have said there is no bias. 61 have said that there is based on things such as friendship (6), Politics (7), or certain Mods (24) Also bear in mind that I could only vote once...So there are others that feel this way. Also those that are currently banned can't vote (Kallend), and those that have been given the boot can't either (PJ and Tuna). Don't be so sure, you are starting to look green again If you want to continue this please PM me. I have been warned before, so I am dropping this here. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Dude, you should know by now I hate math. Ever seen me turn points? So whats the protocol about a greenie doing a PA anyway? "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

QuoteIn Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is shame that people take a grudge to an extreme. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isn't that the whole point in having a grudge? Normal people simply get over stuff and carry on with their lives. I don't carry a grudge. But if you read my post it was TAKE IT TO AN EXTREME. Getting someone fired is an extreme. Hitting them is an extreme, keying their car is an extreme. Not hanging out with them, not sending christmas cards is not. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

OK, Im stuipd. I don't get this. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

So yes, you want free health care. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

I have given suggestions both on line an in PM. "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334