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I have no problem, you seem to be confused. The FBI stated, as I posted the image several times now that they averaged the wind data from Salem and Portland over 8-9PM, that is an average. That data was used as an ESTIMATE (their word) for Cooper's jump time/place. That is a fact,, it is indisputable,, That ESTIMATE is not a fact.. Why is it an unreliable estimate. Salem is 75 miles from the Lewis R and Portland is 25 miles from the Lewis R. Too far to be reliable. The wind data was averaged over an hour 8-9PM.. not at a specific time like 8:11. So, we don't have data for exactly 8:11 and the direction/speed was an average from far away. Further, other wind data shows that the wind from Seattle to Portland was shifting between the SE and SW.. The conclusion is simple, you can't state as a fact the wind at Cooper's jump time/place was from the SW. It might have been, it might not have been. There is no wind data (not TomK's) at the Cooper jump time/place, so they used an estimate. Why is this so hard to understand,, it is right in the FBI documents. What exactly are you having trouble understanding. Did you actually read the FBI document I posted twice?

Nope, your comment is riddled with false statements. Stuff you just made up. Let me say this, I have a lot more than you think I do. All I did was point out a few of the indisputable facts that are irrelevant to Hahneman.. Cooper was Latin/Mexican in features and appearance as well as swarthy/olive complexion. Cooper had thin lips and a protruding lower lip. You can't accept the truth because it hurts KC's case,, so You attacked me with lies about what I have or don't have when you have no idea, zero. I haven't laid out the case. You have no idea what evidence I have but make false claims over and over about it.. Seriously, you have zero cred on this... you assume I have nothing because I haven't shared it, that is an error in logic and extremely ignorant.

Now that is funny.. I know what winds aloft are and the measured degrees. You have no idea what is going on.. you haven't read the docs, you haven't understood your own errors. You don't understand the issue. The winds aloft for Portland and Salem were averaged over 8-9PM then applied as an ESTIMATE for Cooper's LZ.. that is a fact it is clearly stated in the FBI files. Even the FBI adjusted the direction and created a new search area. Other data indicates that the winds were shifting between SE and SW between Seattle and Portland. The point is simple. It is not a fact that the wind was from the SW at about 8:11 along the flightpath. This is not disputable, it is just the truth. Clearly, you can't see the truth and I really don't know what your argument is..

You still fail to understand basic facts. Some of the data I posted is SE and SSE. Not only did you get the time period and distance wrong, you still fail to understand basic facts and logic. The wind data used was an average of Portland and Salem over an hour time period.. both far from the LZ and much farther from the placard. Look up the word "estimate", it is in the FBI file and the dictionary. It is also free. Like Blevins, there is no discussion if you refuse to accept reality. You guys aren't Cooper rookies, time to up your games.

Cooper's grudge...

Robert99, you have been at this for maybe a decade or so and you still have the basic facts wrong.. I said up to 25 miles from Portland, that is the Lewis River at 8:10. To claim it was not more than 10 miles is 100% false. 10 miles only gets you to Battleground. The wind data used by the FBI was an ESTIMATE from Portland (25 miles away) and Salem (75 miles away) AND it was between 8-9PM.. It says that right in the FBI document. My point is entirely valid,, the wind at the jump spot/time was an estimate, it could have been anywhere between SE to SW and claiming it was from the SW as a fact and using it as evidence is irresponsible. It may have been but it is not known, it was an assumption. You and Eric kept claiming it as fact way up N to where the placard was found which was ridiculous. You were asked for wind data and produced none. Tom Kaye's wind data is little help as it was also too far away but it did show a more southerly wind. You and Eric manufactured a premise for the placard argument and WFP but we now know that the Placard did not come from inside 305..

Robert you keep making claims that are 100% false.. based on assumptions.. I am not going to waste my time giving you all my research to straighten you out, got it. I have corrected you on some of these things and you just repeat the same falsehoods over and over. You just make stuff up. So, from my perspective you are incapable or unwilling to absorb facts. You don't know what you don't know. You are wrong, and your argument is irrational, you can apply the same one to KC. There is far more on the FBI investigating KC than Hahneman. KC was not Cooper, not because he was on the FBI radar and dismissed, but because he doesn't match the description and there is no real evidence to support it. The Latin thing is not a tan in November.. nobody said tan and witnesses overwhelmingly said features and characteristics as well as complexion.. You can deny it and try to spin out of it all you want, it is reality. and I don't care what you or anyone thinks of Hahneman, what bothers me is the false statements and claims just made up out of thin air..

It was up to 25 miles from Portland. (45 miles to the Placard from Portland) You consistently fail to recognize that the wind data is not defined down to the minute, but averaged over an hour. The direction and intensity can vary within that hour. It can vary within a few miles. The winds at Portland averaged between 8-9 are not a very reliable proxy for the wind 20-25 miles North at exactly 8:11/12. My argument is not that the wind was from a specific direction but that we don't know and the often used FBI data is an estimate, not a fact. Using winds from the SW as a fact in an argument is false. IMO, the wind was most likely from the SE to SW... at 8:11/12 on the flightpath.

Yes, there was SE wind, Seattle data.. But the takeaway is there is no data for the 8:10-8:12 time frame at the "jump" location. Even the radiosonde data is too far away to be reliable. All we have are estimates, even the FBI admitted it. Another problem is the winds are averaged over an hour period. Again, not precise. And here are winds for Portland and Seattle, these are ground winds but show a shifting. All other data with winds aloft matches the same direction as ground at that location. In other words, winds aloft matched ground wind direction that night. It shows that the winds were shifting.. further making the argument that the winds at the jump "time/location" are unknown.

There is but not at the 8:11-8:12 jump time and location.. The weather reports and wind speed/directions are not specific enough, they used Portland and Salem as a proxy, so virtually useless for the "FBI" jump zone.. Mixed rain, mixed clouds, wind shifting between SE and SW around 8 PM.. Cooper could have been on the clouds or in a break when he jumped. Pilots did report icing.. Seattle

Part #64 has the same Tina interview in the file Geoffrey Gray released years ago. Not everybody got it. Cooper money wrapped in bank bands.. (Tina) "said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package"

Meh, same old.. There is more on the FBI investigating KC in the FBI files than Hahneman, by your logic KC can't be Cooper or the FBI would have figured it out. The same argument you use against Hahneman can be applied to KC and you fail to recognize it. Your argument is irrational. but, I get it your KC narrative is threatened by the facts so you lash out.. KC was not Cooper and you know it but have to defend it because you are so emotionally invested. It isn't personal, it is reality. The evidence.. Cooper had thin lips and a protruding lower lip. That can be many people but it does eliminate most. Cooper was Latin/Mexican in features and characteristics as well as "swarthy/olive" complexion. Anybody that ignores that has zero credibility.

There are others but no info to go on...

A little more on that East Fork Lewis R parachute.. A woman from Yacolt Wa contacted the "FBI" saying her son found a shredded military chute in the (South) East Fork Lewis River between Lucia Falls and the Heisson bridge Dec 8.1980.. the chute was rejected because it was claimed orange and white. Cossey had claimed the missing back chute canopy was all white, but it appears Cossey got the chute wrong so it might not have been all white. The chute was found in the dropzone between the 8:11 and 8:12 flightpath time, about 4 miles E of the flightpath half a mile from the Heisson store and the railroad tracks run right along the River to the store. There was an historic flood in Heisson spring 1972. If there is an area to search.. this is it, the East Fork Lewis River between Heisson bridge and Lucia Falls. Red line is the rail tracks, blue line is the East Fork River between the Heisson bridge and Lucia falls. Black mark on Left is the flightpath, it has a 1 mile error. This area "blueline" is 3-5 miles E of the flightpath right about the 8:12 time.

The sketch artist Rose talked to the stews together soon after the hijacking.. A protruding lower lip is something very specific observed in profile as Cooper was seen.. it is not like height which is an estimate in a given context. and it isn't an error of observation.. it is the equivalent of seeing a scar or tattoo. the FBI files also state "thin lips". Witnesses were consistent.. Cooper was Latin/Mexican in features and characteristics.. not just complexion.

Cooper initially demanded aft stairs lowered after takeoff.. during the Reno negotiations they discussed lowered before takeoff. Cooper's aft stair demand changed when Reno came into play. Confirmed by pilot transcript... Initial demands radioed by pilots... air stairs lowered after takeoff.

Here we go.. CARDS found in back chute pocket labelled "INPECTION AND PACKING DATA" that matches the Pioneer chute 226 returned to Hayden. Both cards 226 and 60-9707 are listed.. both packed by Cossey May 21/71. 226 was returned to Hayden.. 60-9707 must have been Hayden's other chute, the one used by Cooper.. not the one described by Cossey and the FBI as used by Cooper.

FBI file #64 is live... lots of repeats, https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper%20/d.b.-cooper-part-64-of-64/view Cossey made the Dummy chute,,, not Sheridan. IMPORTANT.. Cossey examined both chutes left on the plane and he (Cossey) explained that the back chutes came from Hayden. Interview May 31/72

The stews told Rose, the sketch artist, he said it in the video.. at 3:10

Cooper had thin lips and a protruding lower lip... McCoy did not.. Cooper had Latin/Mexican features and characteristics. McCoy did not.

He did delete it,, I agree with Parrot.. it sounds like McCoy. The interview with Darren is full of clues. Dan is clever, he probed Darren's mind with questions before committing to a narrative. Dan brought up Cooper having a disguise (like McCoy) but Darren shut it down so he didn't pursue it. The other clue was the positioning of the fuel trucks, McCoy gave specific instructions for the fuel trucks. The only suspect that we know did that,,, or do we... McCoy was not Cooper but it is always interesting to hear the argument.

More evidence Cooper did not land in the Columbia R. Crew said they believed Cooper jumped after last contact at 8:05 based on sudden oscillation. The call (timestamp) was 5 or 10 min later or 8:10 -8:15 that is The Lewis R to Battleground Vortac turn.. They also stated that the call is timestamped and they had not reached Portland yet but were in the suburbs (time of call). If the pilots are accurate, no way Cooper lands in the Columbia R.

I'll take a guess here,, Dan's suspect may be McCoy.. Dan was hinting at a disguise but Darren didn't bite.. Dan also mentioned the fuel trucks, McCoy gave very specific instructions for the fuel trucks. They don't really match Cooper's instructions. McCoy was not Cooper.

Dan's teaser from 10 years ago,,,

Dan has been saying the same thing for well over a decade.. He solved the case and is about to tell everything. He did a good job of flipping the interview to interrogating Darren then supporting Darren's views... a psychological ninja trick, appearing to be more knowledgable by agreeing with Darren. He is wrong on the airstair bump being the lowering action. The test proved that was not the case and the stairs lowered much earlier. That rookie error makes me think Dan's case knowledge is sketchy. Disappointed Darren didn't ask his signature question, "Was the bomb real.." no, yes, maybe... I don't know man.. He also speculated,, jumpers would do this... or not this.. not true. Some did jump into the black. Cooper may not have jumped where he initially planned. The thing I agree on is the bar of proof. Only forensics can put a suspect on the plane, DNA is partial and mixed and fingerprints are unconfirmed to be Cooper. This is what I have been stuck on. It may be the best we can do is a circumstantial argument and that won't be good enough for many people. If Dan's suspect is one of the common ones already scrutinized then he isn't Cooper. Dan is really trying to sell it.. some Cooper people are great sellers like Ulis, but a solution doesn't need a salesman. But we'll see. It will be interesting but I expect it will fall apart on examination.