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Chaucer said.. "Regardless, even if he DID want the airstairs deployed in flight, that doesn't indicate he planned on a later jump. His behavior leads one to believe that he wanted off that aircraft as soon as possible." This is a half truth, first his initial demand was airstairs down inflight. But, his changing his demand based on Reno means he changed his plan. If his plan changed then the LZ wasn't necessarily where he did jump. Plus, there is the other evidence that supports a later planned jump. Before Reno was in play he rejected US airports for being too large.. He wanted a small airport.. if he was jumping in the PNW it wouldn't matter. That suggests he was still going to be on the plane. But after Reno was in play he changed his initial demand and wanted off ASAP. For a long time I thought like everyone that he demanded airstairs open on takeoff and that meant he wanted off ASAP but he was delayed slightly by the airstair problem,,, however, that turns out to be based on a false premise, that was not his initial demand. He changed his plan when Reno was in play and then he wanted off ASAP demanding airstairs down on takeoff. So, what was his planned LZ.... when he made his initial demand of airstairs lowered inflight, no stopping in US but can refuel in Mexico... Prior to Reno in play, there is no evidence to support a PNW jump.

and they had mentioned Phoenix just prior to this transmission.. so this is about the time Cooper rejected the larger US airports for refuelling, he demanded a smaller airport.. before he wanted the airstairs down for takeoff. That suggests he still expected to be on the plane when it landed to refuel.. then he changed his mind.

The crew mistakenly mentioned to Cooper that the chutes were coming from McChord. That is why Cooper mentioned the base... Most who had been in the military since WW2 would know about McChord..

Cooper's specific 727 knowledge is very mixed.. but he did know the airstairs can be lowered inflight.. either from experience or research. he would have had to be very confident those stairs would open.. no assumptions..

Another interesting exchange between the pilots and Cooper.. This is the second mention of the airstairs after Cooper was informed of the fuel range problem and they were negotiating a US airport. Cooper wanted stew to manipulate stairs after plane airborne... then pilots try to tell Cooper how to lower after takeoff (they wanted Tina off the plane).. then pilots suggest to Cooper to let them lower stairs partially for takeoff.. they don't know if they can lock partially down. That exchange seems to indicate that the pilots were the ones that initially brought up stairs lowered on takeoff when Cooper wanted lowered inflight.. It wasn't clear so the FBI (in the files) discussed asking Tina if the pilots suggested anything to Cooper but there is no answer in the files... This exchange is not conclusive but it brings up the possibility that airstairs down for takeoff may have actually been instigated by the crew, then Cooper wanted it. The crew then had to convince Cooper to takeoff with airstairs up..

Cooper said Mexico City and no stopping in the US for any reason but can refuel anywhere in Mexico. They had planned for Mazatlan. In the dirty configuration they didn't have the range.. either Cooper didn't figure out the range correctly or his configuration was miscommunicated via Tina's note.

Last time for this.. The mentions in the FBI files of airstairs down on take-off are not incorrect they just neglect to include that it wasn't his first demand. Cooper's very first demands,, first crew radio transmission.. aft stairs to be lowered after takeoff Harrison notes corroborate (time).. aft stairs lowered inflight and FBI summary.. HJ specified... the aft stairs to be extended after take-off. Later specified that stairs must be fully extended before take-off. Done.. Cooper changed his demand when they were negotiating a refuelling stop in the US.

727 flaps.. BTW,, DC-9 had 15 degree flap setting

You need to understand this case has very few 100% facts, try listing them to see, we don't even know Cooper jumped in Wa as a fact, you can cast doubt on almost anything in this case. That is why this case is so difficult and polarizing, so we use the evidence to draw inference. That is how you move a case like this along.... most of what we know about the case is by inference. The lure of the Cooper case is to use your own logic, reason, experience and historical knowledge to pull the few pieces together into a cohesive picture.. an intellectual puzzle with most of the pieces missing and some that don't belong. It may appear to not accomplish anything but it does... if Cooper changed his LZ mid hijacking then that tells us something. If Cooper's first demand was airstairs lowered inflight then his plan was not to land near Seattle as Ulis claims.

Those points are true and irrelevant to this issue, but you seem to claim without evidence that he jumped exactly where he had planned before he got on the plane. How do you know that. You don't. I have outlined actual facts and drew a conclusion by inference. You reject those facts to maintain baseless speculation. At least, you should accept those facts and draw your own conclusion... but I can't see any other one.

True,, but IMO he wasn't a mastermind but not a dummy.. He "gave no flight direction/course" can be taken as he wasn't that smart but he may have had a compass though none was ever seen. He had some airplane/flight experience.. so it wouldn't surprise me.

I am saying there is evidence to indicate his plan changed and he didn't jump where he initially intended. Not sure why that is so hard to understand. You want to stick to pure speculation that is up to you..

Not sure if we are talking about the same record of the exchange but he rejected the two airports for being too large,, smaller ones were offered and he accepted Reno. Even flying to Reno they could have gone over the water if they wanted, there really isn't that much difference. If his "plan" was to jump in the PNW it wouldn't matter which airport they chose. Apparently they had planned to refuel in Mazatlan.. There are other minor factors.. He was described as Latin/Mexican/swarthy in appearance.. Both Tina and the crew said US/American currency. He wasn't dressed for the PNW weather. and he was not concerned with the weather pre flight,, like all the other passengers. My issue is people who claim his initial demand was a ruse,, that makes no sense and has no evidence,, Cooper must have believed it because it was certain to be rejected. Why make a demand you know is impossible, would be rejected and had to be renegotiated.. There is evidence to suggest this,, the other views are pure speculation with no evidence at all.

There is evidence, if you choose to ignore it that is your problem. The evidence suggests he was going to be on the plane for the Reno refuel but decided to jump early, so South of Reno was his initial plan and probably South of the US border.. He did not jump where he initially planned, he changed his plan after Reno was in play wanted the airstairs down on takeoff and jumped early, even then he was delayed with problems opening the airstairs. His LZ was not the one he had planned when he got on the plane. If your argument is that he jumped were he had planned when he got on the plane, you are ignoring the evidence and you are the one guessing.

Lead phosphate "in fluorescent lamps and cathode ray tubes".. GE patent also cadmium https://www.freepatentsonline.com/2476676.html and this one Alkaline earth halophosphate phosphors "fluorescent lamps, cathode ray tube screens, or X-ray screens-or for two or more of these uses" has bismuth, antimony, calcium, strontium, barium, lead phosphate https://www.freepatentsonline.com/2488733.html

The first mention of Cooper's demands in the pilot transcript says he wanted airstairs lowered inflight,, When the fuel range problem and Reno was discussed they went back and forth between lowered on takeoff and inflight.. The initial airstairs lowered inflight is corroborated in the Harrison notes with a time mark.. During the negotiations for a refuelling airport the crew offered Los Angeles and SF, Cooper rejected them saying too large wants a small airport. Agreed to Reno. So. His initial plan was airstairs lowered inflight, that changed when Reno came into play. He didn't want to refuel at a large airport,, why? if he was going to jump ASAP who cares.,, because he still hadn't decided to jump before refuelling. My take,, his initial plan was to jump much further south but after Reno was agreed to he didn't want to be on the plane when it landed so he decided to jump ASAP... and have airstairs open on takeoff.. Cooper didn't jump anywhere near where he had initially planned. The common claim that Cooper demanded Mexico as a ruse and jumped exactly where he planned just doesn't make sense and has no evidence.

We don't have the primary source but that is the nature of the Cooper case, I have been working on a 100 point Cooper profile and there are actually very few 100% concrete facts... most are likely or interpretations. That is why the case is so tough and has gone on for 50+ years. We assume Cooper wore the tie when exposed to the particles but we don't really know.. I read the evidence and it is crystal clear to me that Cooper initially demanded airstairs lowered inflight,, changed later once Reno was in play.. but everyone else thinks he only demanded airstairs lowered on takeoff so he wanted to jump ASAP. It is a significant difference because it means his first intent was not to jump ASAP. Another one,, the FBI files allude to the fact that the plane was on autopilot.. I have a presentation by Rataczak,,, Bill said.. "When the stairs came down that flight that airplane lowered about 3 to 5 degrees and I was hand flying it at the time, you don’t want to see my flight path because it looked like connect the dots." People still believe the plane was on autopilot...

works.. https://www.dropzone.com/forums/topic/55701-d-b-cooper-unsolved-skyjacking/

I think it is legit... First the cigarette descriptions are different.. "had cigarette stains on fingers, right hand" vs "cigarette stains on right hand" Second, we don't have all the interviews and information in the files.. only a fraction. Third, Cooper was a smoker so it no surprise he would have cigarette stains on his hand, and finally, Himmelsbach also said it in 1986.. "Himmelsbach thinks other clues to Cooper being an ex-convict were the 'atrocious foul language' he used in talking to a stewardess and the way he smoked his cigarettes. Cooper was a heavy smoker and was indifferent to the fact that the smoke curled through his fingers and left nicotine stains, a trait Himmelsbach said is common among prison inmates." https://www.upi.com/Archives/1986/11/22/Folk-hero-to-some-sleazy-rotten-crook-to-others/7021533019600/ We know that there is info that is wrong in the FBI files and case but in those instances we have conflicting evidence, here we have no conflicting evidence. It is possibly incorrect, but anything is possible. On balance, it looks legit.

The $1 million dollar reward was more of a publicity stunt, it expired Dec 1, 1981. Only valid for about 2 weeks after the film release. details here.. at bottom. Daily_News_Sun__Nov_8__1981_.pdf

I believe that Max was actually contacted by somebody claiming to be Cooper.. was it a hoax or the real Cooper? is the obvious question. The person contacting Max appeared to be after money. Suddenly, he vanished so something happened to him. If it ended there it would have likely been a hoax.. Ten years later "Clara" contacts Max with a different purpose. Clara didn't want money, she wanted two things, to get Max to publicize that Cooper was really a good person and that he had died. That is odd.. Why would somebody do that. If he was dead then what was the point and why did she concoct a narrative of lies and half truths hiding Cooper's real identity... if she wanted Cooper to be known as a good guy then why not ID him if he was dead.... because "Cooper" was not dead she was trying to make him dead in the public consciousness through Max.. If she was a hoaxer she would have asked for money as well. Her story is mostly BS with half truths to not give away Cooper's identity making it very difficult to analyze. But, parsing some of the info, I believe Clara was not Cooper's girlfriend but a family member trying to throw everyone off.

I think I have figured out the real Clara,,, she was a secretary but not Cooper's girlfriend...

Bingo..

Cossey never provided his packing records and serial numbers for the Cooper chutes he packed..