FLYJACK

I posted that to point out that the oscillation was felt,, aka pressure bump. Oscillations were seen on the gauge and both seen and felt as bumps. First, Carr also stated and it is true that information closer to the event is the most accurate. Second, Soderlind was involved according to Rataczak. He said he was a genius and figured out the LZ (NWA DVD). He was listening in and they pinpointed an area which was later confirmed with more data. There were slight revisions over time. Third, which report, Rataczak said he got on the horn right away. Unfortunately, we don't have that comm. Fourth, false, there are interviews with Rataczak who was flying the plane by hand that they could see the lights of Portland and Cooper was gone by then (Gryder). Rataczak He said.. the exact quote. "about 28 miles North of Portland he (Cooper) jumped out of the airplane" (NWA DVD). Fifth, It isn't an anecdote, in the NWA DVD he repeated it.. Rataczak said he got on the horn to air traffic control "our friend just took leave of us” “mark it” (That comm had to be logged and used in the DZ analysis) Lastly,, The crew knew were Portland was and PDX/Battleground Vortac would have been a significant position marker for the crew, they would have known if Cooper jumped before or after the plane passed that point. Also, that was just before they made a slight turn. They all believed it was before. So, there is really no way Cooper jumps beyond Battleground. The most accurate timestamp for a bump is the 8:09 bob on the FDR, if we accept the 8:18 position that puts the plane right about Heisson and that is right about 8:12 on the flightpath map. The problem is all the different event times are not synchronized so there is a variablity. Putting all the evidence together that we have, the highest probability jump zone is around Heisson and decreases toward Battleground but there is virtually no chance Cooper jumps beyond PDX/Battleground Vortac. If you want to claim the bump wasn't Cooper jumping that is another argument, but very weak.

Exactly, if you reject the facts of the case then you can make anybody into Cooper.. I made a list of Cooper facts/profile and suggest you do as well so you can do an objective analysis. You can't claim KC is Cooper without matching him to the evidence. You know I have already said I am not making the case for Hahneman here and now. You make a conclusion from assumptions garnered from a few media reports, they aren't in context are misleading and incomplete, I have much more accurate direct information. Often the media is used for propaganda. Cooper was who he was no matter what I say or you say about any suspect. You keep trying to make me responsible for Hahneman, that is a straw-man, he was or wasn't Cooper irrespective of what I do or don't say.

Rataczak heard and felt an oscillation and commented... a bump is felt. RATACZAK stated that approximately 5 to 10 minutes after the last contact with subject at 8:05 p.m., they heard and felt an oscillation of the aircraft and commented at the time that he could have departed, causing the unusual vibration since there had been no change in flight altitude, speed or any other external force which would account for this sudden oscillation. They telephoned the company representative, PAUL Soderlind in Minneapolis shortly there-after, and stated that the oscillation, which could have been the hijacker's departure, would have occurred between 8:05 p.m. and their call to Soderlind 5 or 10 minutes later, the exact time woud be recorded in the company log. RATACZAK stated that they had not yet reached Portland proper but very definitely in the suburbs or immediate vicinity thereof.

Nicky, that is great stuff but it is GC and we have the transcript.. is there anything new there..

Blevins, you are dodging.. Hahneman has nothing to with Kenneth Christiansen not matching the evidence. I don't have anything to do with KC not matching the evidence. You are employing a straw-man tactic to deflect because you know KC doesn't match the evidence. Your personal attacks are childish and irrelevant. This is simple, you write down the Cooper evidence/profile then compare it to KC.. I have already done this list and Hahneman is a near perfect match while KC is a disaster. You won't do it because you know KC will fail miserably and be exposed as poor suspect.

Meaningless drivel. I am looking at the facts, it is not an opinion. Write up a list of for the Cooper profile, then compare KC.. virtually no match. Do it.. if you think he matches, prove it. You won't because he doesn't. I was even shocked how poorly he matched.. as a Cooper suspect he is a joke. Strip away the noise and list just the Cooper facts and profile, point form. McCoy matches better and he wasn't Cooper.

KC was not Cooper. He doesn't match the evidence or the profile. That isn't an opinion, that is the evidence. Make a list of the Cooper facts and profile,, go ahead and compare it to KC. I have already posted more facts that match Hahneman than even exists for KC,, I have a list and KC barely registers. Downloads means nothing. You haven't solved anything. You can't even get the parachute issue straight. You bragged about your superior credentials, "You don't know everything Flyjack. I have done a couple of articles on the history and good-or-bad concepts of the death penalty in America. One of them got a half million views and was endorsed by a couple of anti-capital punishment groups. The Newsvine site no longer exists, but I later reproduced the article here: (Ten Good Reasons to Stop Executing People in the United States) So I am pretty familiar with the rules and how they have worked over the years. Probably...it seems...better than some law enforcement groups realized back in the 70s. A couple of the items in the article are dated only because the article originally appeared in 2009." You also said I was misinformed, the DOJ, US Attorney, Prosecutors and FBI were all wrong... they were correct. but you were wrong about the statute and the SOL.. and you STILL won't admit it. You just fail to accept the facts and there is just no productive discussion with people who can't accept reality. You have no track record of any success, you get most things wrong because you have proven you are not good at processing complex information. You also said this.. "You don't have shit for evidence. You never did. At least I was intelligent enough to release a public report with illustrations, a book, and several videos to back up my stuff. You have less than zero going." Obviously, you don't know that, you just made it up.. It is an assumption you make because I won't post my research for you. It is completely false and a good example for how you think. You don't know what I have but make false claims anyway. This is not the behaviour of somebody seeking the truth.. it is the behaviour of somebody who is feeling threatened. Blevins, I don't want to discuss this with you anymore,, it is a waste of time.. just noise. I proved you wrong and you still won't accept it. Clearly, you are immune to facts. I am trying to write something up and it is extremely difficult and complex. I hate writing.

The answer is NO, you haven't solved anything. So who are you to criticize anybody.

Have you ever solved anything?

This is the point... as you have just proven, the truth alludes you and you used multiple fallacies to argue a falsehood.

Ultimately, the Cooper case is an extremely complex logic puzzle.. with a massive amount of accurate and inaccurate information to process. If you don't have the reasoning and logic skills down you haven't got a chance sorting it out and you will consistently make errors. The case becomes a Rorschach, a confirmation bias exercise and you just see what you want to see.

When you say we are never going to agree on the finer points you mean the facts,, You LOST, you are wrong... yet you still won't admit it.. You just can't accept the facts, that is why people get frustrated with you. You are completely unreasonable. People just give up because you are irrational, then you claim victory. It is crazy. You can't debate people who won't accept the facts. Remember this Blevins, this is how you always operate. When the facts prove you wrong you just ignore them. You always do it, you do it with KC. He doesn't fit the Cooper description or profile so you make up excuses or reject the evidence. Admit you are wrong and move on like Ulis did,,, You want to be right more than you want to get to the truth. I don't know for a fact why Himmelsbach pushed the last minute JD warrant but I can speculate from his words and the FBI files.. As a precaution and to end media promoting Cooper in a positive way. but the effect was that Cooper would not come forward. There was no SOL,, they should not have obtained the warrant or had it sealed if possible and let Cooper assume no SOL to come forward if he had lived.

"Mr. McCoy, who is held without bail in the Salt Lake County Jail, faces preliminary examination on the charge April 19. Conviction carries the death penalty." https://www.nytimes.com/1972/04/11/archives/fbi-recovers-499970-fbi-recovers-499970-in-plane-hijacking-case.html and from the McCoy trial.. “Something that pleases this court and I’m sure has been weighing heavily on you people’s minds,” he says, “is whether or not you’d eventually have to give this fellow the death penalty. Well, the court’s gonna help you solve that little problem right now. You can, as of now, dismiss that dilemma from your minds.” This morning in Washington, the Supreme Court declared the death penalty unconstitutional. McCoy’s life has been spared." So, the jury was in the position to consider the death penalty for Aircraft Piracy until it was suspended.. The law at the time of McCoy, Hahneman and Cooper included a death penalty option without causing death.. That is why the DOJ/US Attorney and FBI all said no SOL for Cooper. CHECK MATE.

Wrong. The DOJ got the law right at the time.

Blevins, you can't read.. stop wasting my time with this nonsense. The death penalty only needs to be an option under the charge, not sought. Your question is flawed and demonstrates your lack of understanding. The DOJ is correct, you are wrong. They don't have to seek the death penalty, get it. You don't get charged with "death penalty", you get charged with "air piracy". Here is Aircraft Piracy am. 1961, no death required for death penalty.. There were many further amendments over the years making it confusing but I don't see it before NORJAK. It looks like that part was amended after 1974. " ( i ) ( l ) Whoever commits or attempts to commit aircraft piracy, as herein defined, shall be punished— "(A) by death if the verdict of the jury shall so recommend, or, in the case of a plea of guilty, or a plea of not guilty where the defendant has waived a trial by jury, if the court in its discretion shall so order; or "(B) by imprisonment for not less than twenty years, if the death penalty is not imposed.

A capital crime has the option of the death penalty, not that it is required or applied. In other words, you don't need to "call for the death penalty". If the offense has an option of death,, no statute of limitations. It doesn't matter if there was no death in the crime, if that is an option then it is a "capital offense". That is exactly what the US attorney says here after conferring with DOJ... The DOJ/US Attorney and FBI were correct. The Hahneman prosecutor was also correct. You are just wrong.

Not true. The FBI files clearly state the death penalty applied and even the prosecutor for Hahneman was going to apply the death penalty before the suspension, that included kidnapping. There was no SOL and yes the defence lawyer would raise it. The warrant was a last minute thing pushed by Himmelsbach against his own opinion/DOJ/US Attorney on SOL. I didn't say it was a stunt,, I said that was the effect. Why are you lying. Your suspension of the death penalty argument has failed and now you throw every assumption and opinion to make something stick. You mix some facts with assumptions and falsehoods to push an opinion. Now, you have thrown so much at this I don't even know what your conclusion is anymore. I like puzzles but there needs to be an actual solution. I just don't care to unwind your logic. My conclusion is valid. The EFFECT of the warrant was that Cooper wouldn't come forward making this case far more difficult to solve. If you want to think something else, have at it.

Those are facts.. you have no argument here. You are just making baseless assumptions as usual. It is against the rules of logic and reason to reject facts based on assumptions. Read a logic book. My conclusion is that was the effect, not necessarily the intention. We can only speculate on their motive(s).. Your initial claim was the SOL applied due to the suspension of the death penalty, that was wrong. Now, you shift your argument to some other assumption. See the pattern, you have an opinion then contort reality to fit it no matter what the facts are. Here Blevins argument blown up.. blowed up real good. JD warrant issued in spite of US Attorney opinion that the SOL did not apply.

The FBI was concerned about the media but no indication that played a role in obtaining the warrant. They seemed to be more concerned with the media perhaps making Cooper into a "hero" if he came forward..

This news article says they got the JD warrant as a precaution even though DOJ believed there was no statute of limitations on Cooper's crime.. and from a few weeks earlier in November '76 Himmelsbach rejected the Statute of Limitations. Argument... The DOJ rejected the Statute of Limitations even after the John Doe Warrant. The FBI/Himmelsbach rejected the Statute of Limitations. The John Doe Warrant was last minute as a precaution by Himmelsbach and to stop Cooper from coming forward. The FBI admitted they only had a case if Cooper cooperated. The temporary suspension of the death penalty is completely irrelevant. Conclusion.. The John Doe warrant effectively ended the prosecution of a suspect in the Cooper case.

Here, it was a last minute thing to STOP Cooper from coming forward and getting publicity. Since the FBI admitted they only had a case if Cooper cooperated then the warrant effectively ended the case.. "On the afternoon of Nov. 24, 1976, the day the five-year federal statute of limitations would have expired on Cooper's crimes - the feds had nightmares of headlines saying, ``D.B., Come Home, All Is Forgiven'' - Himmelsbach and Collins rushed the case into a grand jury room and, by sundown, had secured a ``John Doe'' indictment against Cooper on charges of air piracy and extortion. That means the case is still open and Cooper can still be prosecuted, something Himmelsbach, even though long retired, appears to relish."

No, that was exactly what you meant. You just don't realize it. The warrant was not neccessary to extend the statute of limitiations.. Then why?? From there we can only speculate but the result effectively ended the case by ensuring Cooper wouldn't talk. and you are incorrect, the FBI in1976 said that they didn't have enough evidence and witnesses memories had faded, only Cooper's cooperation would get a prosecution. Both McCoy and Hahneman weren't cooperating so how do you get to prosecution for Cooper with no cooperation.. as the FBI said,, you don't. They needed Cooper's cooperation, that John Doe warrant ended that.

Exactly... now you get it.. Why indeed. The effect was that Cooper if he had lived would never come forward and the FBI admitted in 1976 that they only had a case if he cooperated.

The death penalty suspension ended in July 1976 and the John Doe warrant was in November 1976. The argument that they wouldn't seek the death penalty anyway doesn't matter for a crime to be a capital crime. The DOJ opinion that the statute of limitations doesn't apply because the crime was a death penalty crime at the time of the offence is a tough one to overcome, they knew the law and had access to cases. You need an example of the death penalty suspension causing the imposition of a statute of limitations for a capital crime committed prior. and we know there were several crimes that could be charged.. But, it doesn't matter because the John Doe warrant was issued after the death penalty suspension ended. That means that the death penalty suspension argument is mute. The FBI got the John Doe warrant after the death penalty suspension ended and we know based on the DOJ and Hahneman prosecutor that there was a capital crime committed prior to the suspension. That means, at the time the warrant was issued there was no statute of limitations. Then why did they seek one??? Publicity? Internal politics?

You are making an assumption without facts.. you assume the DOJ was wrong and the SOL applied retroactively to crimes before the death penalty suspension. There were charges that could still be applied that did not have a statute of limitations other than air piracy.. and the John Doe warrant included the Hogg Act and Air Piracy. Since the DOJ determined in '76 that the statute didn't apply it must have been done for another reason.. publicity or FBI internal politics. So game this out. If they don't get the warrant and the media blasts that the statute of limitations passed then Cooper if he lived would believe he could come forward not knowing he could still face charges. If they get the warrant and publicize it Cooper never comes forward if he had lived.. and that is what happened.. That is the point,, the JD warrant insured that Cooper would never come forward. IN 1976 the FBI admitted that they didn't have enough evidence and could only get a conviction if Coper cooperated.. The JD warrant ended Cooper's cooperation and effectively ended the case. The JD warrant publicity forced Cooper to NOT talk.. was that intention or a screwup.