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The color Sketch B was created to more accurately reflect age and swarthy complexion.. Sketch B is more accurate than Sketch A..

Ditto.. FBI file part 67 was posted.. https://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper /d.b.-cooper-part-67-of-67/view

Blevins is just trolling and spamming this thread with non Cooper stuff for attention. It will never end. He is incapable of reason or self awareness. His case knowledge is poor. Anybody who gets a moderate understanding of the case knows KC does not fit the evidence. Blevins lies about people to discredit them. He refuses to admit when he is proven wrong. He threatened to damage the Cooper Conference. Blevins is just toxic for the Cooper case overall. He exists in his own world that people do not want to be a part of. I just did a really big media interview and to come back here to be reminded of the toxic environment of spam, lies, personal attacks and denial of facts from Blevins makes me not want to post anything... I put him on ignore but he posted lies about me knowing I had him on ignore.. So, if Blevins actions get the thread shut down, so be it. I am done always having to correct that trolls misinformation. I have a really good (non suspect) TBAR theory that I considered posting, Tom Kaye thought it important enough that it should be a part of the Cooper case discussion. I am actually shocked that nobody ever came up with it before. It fits the flightpath, Cooper's LZ and the spring diatoms. It is complex to explain in a forum, opens up many avenues for further research and would take a lot of work to post it but I just don't care, maybe I'll save it for another format or another time. Since Blevins has made this thread into his personal social page I am just not interested in posting anything. But, I will report Blevins lies and spam every time he posts it. He has nothing to say about Cooper, at least not anything accurate. My research is almost done,, I am expecting some final documents within months.. I have so much information there is no way it can be posted here in this format anyway.. I might have over 5000 files of information. It has become overwhelming. I'll be exploring other ways, maybe videos or podcasts.. or some media that have contacted me. The hard part is distilling all the information into a presentable form.. for both Cooper newbies and experts. That is a massive project that I never wanted to do. So, go ahead Blevins, the thread is all yours tell us amateurs all about Cooper.

That isn't the definition of spam. Nobody else currently posts personal and OT stuff incessantly like you do. You did much more than ask if I was Gypsy23. You used your invisible friend via innuendo to smear and discredit me.. This is a DB Cooper thread, not a Blevins therapy session. The vast majority of your posts are not Cooper related and I will report you every time you post spam, lies or OT nonsense. I suggests others do as well.

You repeatedly falsely accused me of being Gypsy23 among other lies, I told you that already. You lie and spam this thread with your personal stuff over and over. It is clear you are trolling and seek to get the thread shut down because everyone is sick of you polluting the thread with your off topic spam posts.

Everybody should report Blevins every time he trolls this thread with his personal stuff or lies. The admins won't pay attention unless they get many complaints..

It is clear that Blevins is just trolling this forum. I suggest every post Blevins makes that is OT everyone should report, starting with the one above. something like this.. "RobertMBlevins" is repeatedly posting personal off topic material after being asked not to, treating this forum as his personal facebook page undermining the purpose of the thread. They don't do anything until they get a number of complaints.

Are you suggesting the nuclear option or a human sacrifice..

Museum of Flight does DB Cooper,, first error, passengers and Cooper entered via the rear stairs, not the front haven't watched the rest

Can we just rename this the Blevins Facebook page...

No, not me, I have never reviewed any book on Amazon or online ever.

So called "Witnesses" can be BS'ers or embellishers. When Richard DeCample the fuel truck driver was interviewed back in 1971 by the FBI he claimed he didn't see the hijacker, only the crew as the rear of the plane was dark lights out. In a 2017 media interview he claimed he saw the face of the hijacker. He embellished his story for the media because he knew that elevated his experience and involvement. https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/investigations/author-invites-public-to-solve-db-cooper-mystery/281-493832199 "Richard DeCample remembers the moment he saw one of the most famous faces in American history. "I had hooked up to the airplane and I was under the wing, but I could look up and I could see him looking out, but I'm like, 'What can he see?'" "DeCample says he was in the process of transferring fuel to the plan when he glanced toward a cabin window and saw the face that's been memorialized in those famous DB Cooper sketches." Blevins so called witnesses are not credible either. They are making claims/opinions 40+ years later about an event they have no direct knowledge of to an amateur researcher not under penalty of perjury. Witnesses like this, including McCoy's kids need corroboration because people lie, exaggerate, speculate and manufacture memories all the time. When Chaucer tried to discredit Ratazcak I posted news reports going back over the years that confirm Ratazcak was telling the same story.. Chaucer then applied his worn out strawman tactic to claim I only rely on news reports.. where did Chaucer go by the way.. he seems to have run off after his argument got decimated with the facts. Ratazcak is solid. Chaucer's Columbia R argument amounts to discrediting Rataczak, the FBI, Soderlind, me, the crew, logic, Santa Claus, Ghandi, the sled test and participants.. with no evidence to support it. The totality of the evidence shows the "bump" occurred between Merwin and Battleground. The only possible way Cooper jumped into or next to the Columbia is if the "bump" was not Cooper leaving the plane. That is an entirely different argument and I have seen no evidence to support that. The big "bump" felt by the crew was the last one..

I got Edwards book for Christmas. I avoided reading Cooper books until I developed an independent understanding of the case, though I did get Tosaw's book for the money serial numbers. Without a high case knowledge level you can't read them critically and easily get tainted by author bias. First off, it looks amazing, the cover is great, the images are top notch the citations are extremely thorough. It will be a must have for anybody interested in the Cooper case. I haven't read it thoroughly but my book has a print flaw,,, "chapter 2" on the top left page goes right through chapter 6. Hopefully that gets corrected and this one goes up in value. I have skimmed it and found an error with the stair lock light.. the light goes on when the handle is moved from the up detent. For the light to go out the handle must be returned to the up detent. So, if Cooper moved the handle from the up detent but did not push it forward to lower the stairs then the light would be on but the stairs not moved. If Cooper returned the handle to up detent only then would the light go out. For the light to go out the stairs must be up AND the handle back in the up detent position. IMO, Cooper initially tried to open the stairs but they didn't drop much so he moved them back up putting the handle back in the up detent then opened them again, causing the light to go out briefly.. The handle must be back in the up detent for the light to go out. Here is a diagram of the NWA 727-51 airstair operation.. there are two door warning lights on the crewman's panel, one is a locked down and one activated by the up detent handle position. I don't see anyway that Cooper locked the stairs in the down position.

He wasn't wearing loafers, another myth.. It was laceless ankle length shoes. No evidence Cooper worked for Boeing. He had flying knowledge, didn't understand the rear stairs. For a Boeing employee to commit a high profile crime like that in SEATTLE that would have led to his easy identification. That is almost like robbing the bank you frequently use. As for Air America... maybe he was involved or just heard about it, but there is a very high probability Cooper was in Vietnam..

Excerpt from recent article.. https://www.smokejumpers.com/index.php/smokejumpermagazine/getitem/articles_id=443 by Johnny Kirkley, his account of jumps/drops from a 727 in was also written about many years ago but never mentioned the flaps 15, landing gear down and speed, though it was a static jump. Frankly, it sounds like revisionism perhaps after talking to Edwards earlier. However, the story is important and may have been where Cooper got the idea. He may have been part of it directly or indirectly. IMO, Kirkley added the plane config to make the story fit Cooper better but it doesn't diminish the potential relationship. In May 1968, I was scheduled to "The Ranch" for a special project. Ranch operations were always on a hush-hush, need-to-know basis. When hired by the CIA, all employees are required to sign a non-disclosure agreement. You promise not to reveal any information relating to "intelligence sources or methods" without first securing authorization. The slightest violation would compel threats of prosecution and severe consequences. No copy of this document was given to the employee. Clearance levels were granted for special ops as you were vetted. At "The Ranch" details of the mission were given when you arrived on site. We were told that the training was for testing the feasibility of making aerial deliveries into Tibet. This highly secret project was the first of its kind. We were to drop cargo and jump out of a Southern Air Transport "sanitized" Boeing 727 jet. The tail number was the only marking on this stark aluminum plane. The team included Lou Rucker (OSS/CIA), T.J. Thompson (MSO-55/CIA), Bob Herald (MSO-55/ AFS), Fred Barnowski (MSO-42/CIA), Jack Manska (CIA), Bill Welk (727 pilot), Jim Rhyne (Volpar Turbo Beech pilot), Johnny Kirkley (CJ-64/AFS), Billy Bowles (RDD-57/AFS), and a couple other "Kickers." The passenger compartment of the 727 was fitted with roller conveyers to transport the cargo out the rear for drops. The rear stairwell was removed and retrofitted with stainless sheet metal to make a sliding board. The cargo was loaded in large cardboard boxes rigged with parachutes and tied to pallets atop the roller conveyers. The process of aerial delivery was the same as in other aircraft. The load to be dropped on each pass was untied and moved to the rear against a nylon strap. When the pilot gave the order to drop, the strap was cut and the load was pushed out the rear. The cargo drops went without a hitch. Then we suited up for our parachute jump. We leveled off at 1200 feet. The cabin was depressurized, flaps were set at about 15°, the landing gear was lowered to create drag to maintain 150 knots, and the exit ramp was lowered. When we got over the jump spot, the pilot gave the signal and we slid out the rear of the plane. Compared to jumping out of a prop plane, there was no noise or prop blast. It was quiet and there was hardly a jerk when the static cord released. We floated down with the greatest of ease. Knowing what to expect, we were all excited to make a second jump. The tests went well and the project was approved and ready to go. However, the funding was cut and the 727 Tibet project was cancelled, much to our chagrin. Postscript: Fast forward to Monday morning, November 29, 1971. When I retired from Air America in August 1969, the "Call of the Wild" lured me to Alaska. I decided to put my University of Alabama Bachelor of Science business degree to use. I had just begun the second year of owning and operating the Polar Bar on East 5th Avenue in Anchorage. I was having a cup of coffee and talking with a customer when two suits walked through the door. They showed me their FBI badges and said they were investigating a Northwest Airline Boeing 727 skyjacking on the night before Thanksgiving. They knew I had jumped out of a 727 with Air America and wanted to ask me a few questions. Since their statement was correct, I assumed they had been talking to the CIA. First, they wanted to know where I was on Wednesday night. When I explained I was working the bar they showed me a drawing of Dan Cooper, asking if I knew him. I said it did resemble Lou Banta (CJ-51), a smokejumper I had worked with at Air America, but he wasn't on the 727 jump project in Thailand. As a coincidence, Louie happened to live in Oregon not far from where Cooper supposedly exited the plane. However, after being investigated, Banta was exonerated. We had a good laugh in Portland at the 2008 Air America Reunion. D.B. Cooper became a cult hero and remains the only unsolved skyjacking in American aviation history. In past years a standing joke at Smokejumper and Air America reunions was, "D.B. Cooper Lives!" .......... This is the earlier piece where he did NOT note the plane configuration and named Louie Banta (CJ-51), (he was researched and exonerated) https://dc.ewu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1085&context=smokejumper_mag Kirkley was later selected as one of seven air-freight specialists sent to Takhli, Thailand, on a secret mission to train to jump and drop freight from a commercial Boeing 727 jet. “There was unrest in Tibet on the Chinese border and the CIA wanted to do some tests to see if it was feasible to make high-altitude drops of paratroopers and cargo from a 727,” he said. After making a few jumps and dropping several loads of cargo, Kirkley said the mission was eventually scrubbed. “Fast-forward to the first week in December of 1971 in Anchorage, Alaska,” Kirkley said, continuing his story about being trained to jump from the back of a Boeing 727. “I was in my second year of owning and operating the Polar Bar on Fifth Avenue in downtown Anchorage. I was having a cup of coffee and talking to a customer when two men dressed in suits entered the bar. They showed me their FBI identifications and told me that they were investigating a skyjacking that had taken place in Portland, Ore., on Nov. 24, the day before Thanksgiving. “A man called D.B. Cooper had extorted the airline out of $200,000 and jumped from the rear of a Boeing 727 over Oregon. They told me they knew that I had jumped out of a 727 when I was working with Air America,” he said. “They then showed me a picture of the suspect and asked if I recognized him. I told him that he looked like Louie Banta (CJ-51), who had been a smokejumper in Oregon and worked with me in Air America, although I didn’t recall him being one of the seven who jumped on the 727 project in Thailand. As it turned out, Louie also lived in Oregon, where D.B. Cooper deplaned, but Banta was thoroughly exoner- ated and Cooper has never been found. “Over the years since, it has become a standing joke at smokejumper and Air America reunions that D.B. Cooper lives,” Kirkley laughed, adding that his close friend and former Alabama track teammate Charley Moseley was also questioned by the FBI about the still- unsolved D.B. Cooper incident.

Matching a suspect to the Cooper evidence/profile is the only objective measure. Blevins has skipped that in favour of a wildly speculative biased and self serving narrative. When you objectively compare KC to the Cooper profile, he does not match. Blevins will not do this because it exposes KC as a non-suspect. Selling a few books or downloads just doesn't change the facts. KC wasn't Cooper. That is not an opinion, that is an objective comparison to the facts.

This in the money shot 302... Rataczak says Cooper jumped 5 to 10 minutes after last contact which occurred at 8:05. (8:10-8:15) This is important, he telephones Soderlind after the "oscillation" and stated it could have been the hijacker's departure between the 8:05 last contact plus 5-10 minutes and the call to Soderlind which WOULD HAVE BEEN RECORDED. Rataczak further states that they had not yet reached Portland but were in the suburbs.. here he is referring to the time of the call to Soderlind, NOT the time of the oscillation. He was stating a range with a start and end point NOT the exact point of the oscillation. This is consistent with Ratczak's other statements including the belief Cooper jumped much further North. They must of had the time of the call to Soderlind and incorporated that into the LZ. Clearly, that call to Soderlind before Portland puts the bump/oscillation well before the Columbia River. (unless you change the argument to claim the bump/oscillation wasn't Cooper jumping) 302, Soderlind used his notes and records to create the LZ. He must have had the time of the call he received from Ratazcak. Clearly, if the bump/oscillation was Cooper jumping, there is no way he jumped beyond Battleground and near or into the Columbia River. The only way that is even possible is if the bump/oscillation was not Cooper jumping and that is a very heavy lift not supported by any evidence. CKECK MATE

Benzedrine and food for the crew.. and the same "rapid fluctuations in air pressure" noted in three other 727 bailouts in the next few months.

The Cooper case goes beyond just the FBI files. I can't speak for everybody but I don't care at all about you releasing your findings.

You have a demonstrated history of ignoring evidence and not admitting when you are proven wrong.. If you reject all the witness testimony then there isn't much left and almost anybody can be made into Cooper. Your KC case relies on casting doubt on all the evidence, not a positive argument. Your SOL argument was structured and flawed exactly the same as Chaucer's. Both were not a positive argument in that there was no evidence to support. Both relied on casting doubt on the counter argument. A very weak position. Both claimed everyone was wrong with no evidence to support it. And Blevins you still haven't admitted you were wrong on the SOL.. but you have nothing on Chaucer.. that is epic level denial.. I have never seen anything like it in this case. Go back and look at his argument, then my response. I refuted all of it with facts and he just ignores it as if it doesn't exist then employs a straw-man and a passive aggressive tactic to discredit me. So, to maintain his opinion he needs to shift his argument to claim the "bump" was not Cooper leaving the plane. Some of you need to be right or win a debate more than uncovering the truth.. This case is incredibly complex with a massive amount of information to process to come up with the truth. If the truth is not your primary goal, the VORTEX will destroy you. Your denial maybe goes to 5, but Chaucer goes up to 11.

1. I never argued there was an official documentation from Rataczak,, I even stated there wasn't = straw-man. 2. There is evidence Rataczak called Soderlind, I posted the 302.. you are just wrong. 3. I also posted the 302 where Solderlind stated he used his notes,, you are wrong again. 4. Rataczak's said he reported it to ATC in 2011, earlier news reports corroborated it. Aslo, the 302 corroborates him telling Solderlind.. so strike 3,,, Either you didn't read my post or you are pretending not to. The evidence is there, if you choose to ignore it well that confirms everything. I have been at this Cooper thing for a few years and I have never seen anybody completely ignore the evidence posted for them as egregiously as this... not even Blevins.

You need to reread my post above, it decimates your theory. I don't rely only on news reports, they just corroborate over time Rataczak's personal account. Your straw-man attack is disingenuous. There were two "jump" reports made, one to ATC and one to Soderlind. The 302 I posted shows that Soderind was called and involved right away. Your argument has no evidence, you rely on discrediting and casting doubt on Ratazcak, Soderlind and the FBI with far less info than they had,, then there is the FDR 8:09 bob and the fact that the crew would know when they passed the PDX/Portland Vortac and if they were over the Columbia... Overcoming that is a real heavy lift... and you have provided nothing I refuted your claims with evidence and you just ignore it.. Clearly, you aren't interesting in building a conclusion from the evidence. Unfortunately that is very common in this case.. and you just won't advance intellectually in this case until you park your ego. That isn't just me, everyone thinks that about you. It now looks, as expected like you are now trying to shift your failed argument to claim the bump was not the jump... that way you can ignore the evidence. Good luck with that one.

Carr's statements are completely irrelevant for this issue. Soderlind did the LZ analysis and came up with the LZ map. You discount him erroneously. The "took leave of us" report from Ratazcak was also in newspaper reports over throughout the years. So, it isn't something recent he made up. Nov 26, 1971, hijacker took leave.. 25 miles North of Portland.. basically the same thing he said in the 2011 NWA DVD. DATE: Sunday, November 24, 1996 TAG: 9611250051 SECTION: HORIZON PAGE: 1 EDITION: METRO DATELINE: PORTLAND, ORE. SOURCE: MICHAEL TAYLOR SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE At 8:12 p.m., ``we felt a little bump and the air pressure changed,'' Rataczak said. ``I got on the radio to air traffic control and said, `I think our friend just took leave of us. Mark the point on your radar.''' Anderson reported that they reported the incident after some time but there may have been more than one report, they had comms with different parties. Rataczak said he reported it to ATC but here he also reported it to Solderlind at NWA. We don't have the "take leave" report but the FBI and Soderlind sertainly did when they calculated the LZ. You don't know what is meant by a "suburb", that is just an assumption. I read the "suburb" comment as the point when he talked to Soderlind. It is a fact that the crew knew when the passed the PDX/Battleground Vortac and that would been a marker in time. They would have known if the bump was before or after that marker and they said before. Ratazcak who was manual flying and making that turn thought Cooper jumped up closer to Merwin. So, I am not relying on statements made by Ratazcak decades later, those are corroborated by earlier statements. I am taking in the totality of evidence. 1. The statement does exist form him in 2011 and going back years in news reports.\ 2. Just incorrect, Solderlind was named by Rataczak and he is named in the 302's. Jan 9, he made the detailed analysis/map after the sled test that is in the 302's as well. 3. The crew was unsure if he jumped because they could not confirm it but they suspected that is why they reported it. The flaw in your argument is that you don't appreciate the that FBI files are not complete. We only have a fraction of the information available to the FBI, so it is a high bar to claim they got it wrong. Put all the pieces together there is no way Cooper jumped/bump at/near the Columbia, there is zero evidence for it and you need to completely discredit Ratazcak to make it work. All the evidence supports a jump/bump between Merwin and Battleground. BTW, because the FDR was the most accurate timestamp, that bob at 8:09 is when the jump/bump occurred,, the trick is figuring out exactly where the plane was with all the confounding unsynchronized timestamps.. It had to be between Merwin and Battleground. My top spot is Heisson.

I think the tie clip is a bit of a red herring.. There are 2 tie tack holes, one very significant, that suggests the tie was usually worn with a tie tack and the alligator clip was a last minute addition... from https://citizensleuths.com/tie-clip.html There were very few of these marks indicating that the current tie clip was not removed and replaced very often. The permanent depression left in the tie, by the now absent tie tack, suggested that a single tie tack was present on the tie for an extended period of time.

Yeah, that bomb story is clearly BS. People BS all the time.. or manufacture memories.