mrshutter45

I don't think it was a conspiracy. I just think Cossey blew them off with that story because he was motivated to do so. I don't think the FBI knows for sure WHAT the chute is, or from where it came before it was buried. Pictures of that chute are available galore, and have been seen here at Dropzone multiple times. I haven't seen anyone here step up, even after seeing the pictures, and make any ID on it. So how can you do it over the phone? Two words: Citizen Sleuths Robert, you created a consipracy. you are claiming Cossey is covering something up. Conspiracy (civil), an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage "people we spoke to" doesn't always mean by telephone. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

'The Amboy parachute was not available during the inspection (of the other evidence) and it was not clear if that evidence was archived in the Seattle FBI office. We concur with others who originally forwarded the idea, that the Amboy chute is not silk but a first generation nylon parachute. The research team has a standing offer with the FBI to return to Amboy and excavate the location where it was discovered. (Could mean they asked to see it, or to be allowed access to dig site and were refused on both) To this date the only available information on the sewn-closed reserve chute that Cooper left the plane with, was that it was white in color. The Amboy Chute remains an item of significant interest...' Of course it does. are you still trying to claim Tom tried to get access to the chute? did you look at the photo I provided yesterday? here it is again. just in case you didn't look at the photo. I spoke with Tom the other night. he said they didn't see the chute, or ask to see the chute. he went on to say the reason was that it was dismissed. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

that's speculation again Robert. "people we spoke to" meaning more than one. the more than one all seem to have the same conclusion. the FBI stated "it just didn’t look like it was the right kind of parachute in any way,” meaning multiple issues were found. you doing what Jo does, you just don't want to believe anything other than what you believe. I'm not working out in the field until next week. I got time....conspiracies are tough to prove. I mentioned this once before....Good Luck "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

lot earlier than here. I hope you don't use the term "poof" if you don't find an article that should be online. trust me I'll remind ya by the way...those are direct quotes from the FBI..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Look...I will have to dig this article out of files, fine. But the Seattle FBI, in one of the final press appearances they did on Amboy, said experts were consulted by telephone ONLY. And it was the same day when they said they would not discuss it further. Can't remember if it was Laura Laughlin or Robbie Burroughs who said this. I think it was Laughlin, though." you need to start digging, I'm not finding it. look at the edited portion of my post. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Thanks, I'm trying to recall everything. Blevins is stating only Cossey looked at the chute. I found reasons not to believe that, same goes for smoke99. Oregonlive.com posted this: The conclusion was based "on the totality of the information," Seattle FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said, and not just the opinion of Earl Cossey, the FAA-certified parachute rigger who packed each of the four parachutes that were handed over to Cooper on Nov. 24, 1971. "Other parachute experts were consulted," Burroughs said, including some who steeped forward to help the FBI after the parachute's discovery was announced last week. that appears to be more than one other person looking at the chute. looks like multiple experts came forward, or stepped up. Katu.com says this: Cossey, who sold parachutes at a skydiving operation in Issaquah in the 1970s, had provided the chutes that the FBI gave Cooper. He told The Columbian of Vancouver that the newly found chute ''absolutely, for sure'' could not have been one of the four that he provided. ''The D.B. Cooper parachute was made of nylon,'' he said. ''This 1945 parachute was made of silk.'' FBI Agent Robert A. Burroughs in Seattle said Monday that agents had not ruled out the possibility that the chute was from Cooper. ''We haven't made a determination one way or the other yet,'' Burroughs said. ''We're still in the process of finishing up what investigative steps we think are necessary to feel certain about calling it one way or the other.'' that statement alone shows they didn't just rely on Cossey's conclusion. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

believe in diameter? who confirmed this size? 34-foot is what I got from Cossey. No other corroboration. I assume diameter. so then he must of looked at the chute longer than 10 seconds? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Bruce, I remember reading the mountain news were you said the chute was 34 feet I believe in diameter? who confirmed this size? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

how does a parachute marked 1946 get on flight 305. where does this 25 year old canopy fit into your conspiracy? can you prove it's not a cargo chute with your expert opinion? I thought it was already proven who's chutes were who's. so how did this canopy get on flight 305? you said Cooper never jumped with Cossey's chute, so why would he lie about a chute that wasn't his according to you? was it Hayden's? who's parachute was found in 2008 Robert? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

you never answered Georger's question about you Db Cooper thingy in August? you could put the word out to the public about your conspiracy theory? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Perhaps Blevins is not aware that parachute riggers keep a log book of their own about the emergency parachutes they pack. If Cossey had the parachute serial number by itself, he could easily check his packing log books. Blevins also does not seem to be aware of the unusual construction features of the 26 foot conical canopy that was used in NB-6 parachutes that were in use in 1971. By sheer coincidence, I personally owned an NB-6 until about the first of November 1971. If a canopy of that era was presented to me today, I could tell in less than 10 seconds if it was a POSSIBLE 26 foot conical canopy from an NB-6. Only a casual glance would be necessary to exclude it. Blevins, do you know what was unusual about the construction of the 26 foot conical canopies that were used in NB-6s? Robert99 he just doesn't get it I guess. I put my flak jacket on. I think he is FORMING a surgical strike of logic due to hit this perimeter within the hour. I'll be up in my simulator watching from 30,000 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well said. I agree very little people care or follow the case. unless you are Robert who receives hundreds of emails a month looking for guidance lol. he did mix two different stories into one. as for "either confused, misleading, or misreading." I go with...all the above. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think now after all of this back and forth. we can confirm you are now stating a Conspiracy anyway you look at it. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

lets talk about how things are told today. who's chute is sitting in the property room of the FBI with his name on it? did Hayden own the reserves as well? is it fair to say Cooper jumped with one of Cossey's chutes, or can you prove he threw it away? I think it's probably safe to say that it's possible Cooper jumped with one of Hayden's chutes, and one of Cossey's. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

you did the very same thing you accuse Cossey of by not giving a reasonable explanation of the chute. Kenny had property dealings prior to the crime and sold a large chunk of it before he died that could explain the large sum. you have lots of things that could easily be explained, but you didn't. no different than what you are accusing Cossey of. that's not a dig, or jab. that's the truth. I'm not saying Cossey is perfect, but I believe he could easily ID a chute. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"He should have come up with something like 'the stitching doesn't match,' 'it's way too large,' or maybe 'it's a cargo chute'. But he did not." Robert makes Kenny look suspicious by stating he paid cash for his house and had a large sum of money at the end of his life. did he check the records to make sure there was no reason why he had that much money? did he check the records on how the house was purchased? nope. do you see where we are going? Robert should have came up with a better story than what he claimed, but he didn't! people could say you intentionally left things out. you like guns right? how long would it take you to notice a Beretta 9mm vs a Taurus PT99 if I put them side by side and covered the names. 5,10,20,30 seconds, an hour? by the way you are also a dealer of the Beretta and been around guns for decades. I'm sorry Robert, but you seem to think all of this is inside a court room where things must be broken down and explained.I think they could of explained it a little better, but I don't believe it's Cooper's chute. 1946...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

To quote a 60's reference, that's a cop-out. Here's what I say: You want to buy this whole scenario about the chute, the Seattle FBI, and Cossey? No problem. Meanwhile, can I interest you in some beachfront property in Kansas? Cheap, good rates.

carry on.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Good luck...... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

what do you jumpers think about Roberts evaluation of Cossey? "It will take me a while sort all of this out. But I will tell you one thing right now. I don't believe Cossey ever had the capability, the proper information, or the knowledge to identify the chute...mainly because his claim of ownership is bogus. It's no surprise that he looked at it for only a few seconds and then wrote it off with a flimsy silk-not-nylon story." Cossey has been in the biz how long? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"‘The Amboy parachute was not available during the inspection" If the chute turned out not to be part of the crime, why would they keep it? you acting as if they were suppose to show every single piece of evidence as a law. "inspection"? really. I think they offered people to look over the evidence. it wasn't a trial for crying out loud. You keep claiming the FBI screwed up. how about all the screw ups you have on your site. fix'em yet? didn't think so. I'm done arguing with you. you believe the chute was Cooper's and Kenny left it there half in the ground......got it. Good Luck in you truth seeking..... I'm sure you will have all kinds of smart remarks to follow this.... Added "Did you know that Robbie Burroughs gave the media TWO different conclusions on the same day in several articles?" "'FBI Agent Robert A. Burroughs in Seattle said Monday that agents had not ruled out the possibility that the chute was from Cooper. "We haven't made a determination one way or the other yet," Burroughs said. "We're still in the process of finishing up what investigative steps we think are necessary to feel certain about calling it one way or the other." the first part is about if the chute belonged to Cooper. the second is about the Walings chute if not mistaken. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"And you guys call yourselves 'Cooper Investigators'. What a joke. Suppose the Seattle FBI called a press conference and then told the media they had established that Kenny Christiansen was Cooper 'by the totality of the evidence' and that they would no longer discuss it, case closed. What would you do then? I can tell you exactly." more speculation I see "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Blevins, You claim that your statements can be verified by contradictory newspaper articles? You claim that you never said the chute was Cooper's? Where is your "proof" that the FBI's investigation was sloppy and their conclusions weak? Of course you never said, or even meant to suggest, that KC was Cooper either? Blevins, stop your own whining and see if you can prove your own allegations correct. Robert99 it's all speculation as usual. he makes statements all over the internet about Tom Kaye being denied access to the chute (see photo) then he remains confident that they denied everyone as well? who from the FBI confirmed this for him? he say's Cossey is lying about the fabric according to his findings. I guess 48 hours was not long enough to confirm the chute wasn't Cooper's which Blevins also agree's with? he automatically knows what condition and type the chute should be in by looking at photo's. didn't he claim other people gave conclusions over the phone about the chute calling it BS? Lets get this straight. he wants the FBI to spend more money proving the chute was not Cooper's which Blevins already believes is not. is that right? Really???? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Lastly, within 48 hours of Cossey's examination, the Seattle FBI dismissed the chute as not being Cooper's, giving only 'silk not nylon' and 'a totality of the information' as their only answers. They also said they would no longer discuss it." Yes, please provide the link where the FBI say's they will no longer discuss the chute. I don't recall seeing this, but would like to see it. also, provide the proof that the FBI was the one's who came up with the Walling's theory. I seem to recall that idea was pitched to them. what proof do you have that the chute has been in the ground for 10, 20, 30, 40+ years. Now, with all of your mysterious unexplained problems with the Amboy chute, which really was found miles away from Amboy you claimed last year you know who the people were who found the chute. why haven't you made an effort to contact them vs smearing unproven facts about the chute all over the internet? once you regain access into your website (*laughs*) it seems you have even more things to correct on your website. I will admit there seems to be some mystery around the chute, but I think it's possible that the FBI realized it wasn't Cooper's chute and simply dismissed it. I just don't believe they are covering anything up. this is a conspiracy you are creating, you realize this right? you were WRONG about Tom Kaye being denied access to the chute. what else do you think you are wrong on? I understand you expected some sort of press conference stopping all radio and television programs so they could provide all the proof needed to set the record straight, but I think they have better things to do and felt the whole thing was pointless to go any further. I realize Cossey has come under fire with his dealings in the cooper case, what makes you think you are more experienced in what type of chute it was? do you always get several opinions about problems in real life because you don't believe what they tell you? Cossey's experience must run for miles. he was and still is a respected man in this community. why is it you don't believe him, but believe every single positive thing your witnesses told you about KC? I understand you don't think you are starting a conspiracy, but based on the definition it seems pretty clear. Conspiracy (civil), an agreement between persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to gain an unfair advantage. August 22, 2012 you posted this" "Well, sounds like everyone is in agreement that the Amboy chute wasn't Cooper's. I think I may even delete the Newsvine article about it." the chute was 25 years old in 1971.....what is it you are trying to prove? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

here's a good one..... why would someone say the FBI denied access to the Amboy chute? see photo below..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI