mrshutter45

"You know I'd be lying if I said I didn't have mixed thoughts about Tina - the part that she played in all of this, the whole life-under-the-radar persona, the nun thing, and the universal "hands-off" approach almost since the beginning. I'll admit the cynical part of me says there is more than meets the eye, but in the end - I think that she is probably mischaracterized on this forum a lot." Loved to have been a fly on the wall of 305 what happened with the Engineer dude? where did he go, alive/dead? Alice? did Jo copy/paste them onto her post and they went poof lol. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

It's not just you. a lot of people do the same thing when trying to prove something. I have noticed it appears ok on your end, but if something similar pops up you start in commenting about it. to many things has been done to that house to even speculate something, and to much time has passed. the reason I confront you about the "lies" is the fact of you using it often without any other possibilities factored in on some of your findings in the past. you have known issues on your website that you ignore, but don't have a problem calling other people liars. is that really fair? I think you should tone down on that word itself. you need 100% accurate proof before making that statement. I also think you need to realize that everything written about the case might not be accurate enough for you to defend. try having an open mind rather than making wise cracks at someone's possible alternatives? just about everyone else "works well with others" and doesn't need to argue several pages on one topic. I don't think you are stupid, but I think you jump to conclusions too fast. mistakes happen that way. you have your fair share of them. I make them all the time. I get up, brush the dirt off, and go back at it. I've spent a long time trying to get my simulator to work as close as any home simulation can be done. I took the time and made sure things were accurate as they can be before any testing is done. I have been put through many different tests by Hominid and R99 to insure I'm doing things right. I allow the smarter people to handle these issues. it's a team effort. I just fly the plane.... unfortunately I no longer post anything about it due to having the issue with you trashing it before understanding what is being done. having to explain over and over that we are not moving the path. it is something I'm interested in though. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

What are you claiming the attic box was built and used for ? Hmm. There is an echo in here. Read the part just after 'Georger'. No one knows what it was for, or even why it was built. I think I said that... It is impossible to make any definite conclusions on why it was done. Or even for sure who built it, although I think because of what evidence is available, my guess is KC built it. Age of the wood, the wood stain marks, location being above his bedroom, etc. Anything else is conjecture. That was a polite answer, which frankly you did not deserve. Especially with your little comment about 'pictures of boys,' where you hint (again) that KC was a pedophile. You do that again and I will copy your post over to Quade with a complaint. Ain't nice to hint that about people without any proof. Another lie, just like when you said back there I said money was discovered in the box in 2010. This reference: Georger says in part - Hmmm, perhaps if you don't know what it is. you might want to stop speculating that was a hiding place for the ransom and building it up to appear that way? just a thought... and you still didn't answer the original question.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

looking at the photo again I don't think that's stain. certainly not the same color. looks more like Varnish or glue.... see photo my mistake. not varnish ,but a clear coat. polyurethane.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

#1 you did answer the original question. now we have KC staining the wood. that would mean he sanded the whole thing down. again, the odds of replacing the countertop are much lower than resurfacing the countertop. you only replace the countertop if it's damaged. the crooked cuts are from someone not caring about the material while the kitchen was demolished. it doesn't make sense to put the new Formica on a piece for the attic. you typically put formica onto the counter while it's attached. if he did make a new countertop (doubtful) he would have applied the Formica last. The original question was you claimed for some reason you didn't want to go to Bonney lake. also you mentioned Law enforcement should go into the attic and look. you later claimed you went up there? at that point you didn't seem to have knowledge of being up there, or you would have known there was no hinges. then replied nobody would believe you. it's sounds like you hadn't been in the attic? "Not a chance would I go near Bonney Lake to check this out " little confusing... I'll look at the photo again, but glue would seem to be a factor for the stain underneath it. Formica is glued down. why would he take a piece of the old countertop and put new Formica on it for the attic? it still doesn't work...you have a piece of the counter that was ripped out of the kitchen years before you were aware of KC... "For someone who thinks we should suspend KC discussions" I believe that is about you pushing and showing the same evidence over and over. this is about conclusions of the evidence. we are not pushing KC as Cooper in this discussion. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"To Shutter45: By the way, there is a BIG difference between lying and making a mistake on something. One is a mistake, the other is a deliberate attempt at deception for a given purpose. So you can drop the 'liar' tag anytime. There's been more fluidity in investigating Cooper than a year's worth of flow on the Columbia. It ain't easy, sir. If it were, someone would have solved the case long ago." Robert, as long as you provide false information on your site which is clearly wrong and admitted by you what else can you call it. several months ago you said you were "going to fix it" last week you claimed a password issue. it's deceptive when you allow something like that on your site. the original term I quoted will remain. perhaps a PDF is in order? also, exactly when did you go into the attic at Kenny's home? here is one quote you gave about the hinges on the countertop. I realize you no longer think hinges were on it, but that's not the importance of the quote. "Make sure to note if they are righthand or lefthand hinges. It matters. Not a chance would I go near Bonney Lake to check this out. No one would believe my results anyway. If this is done, it needs to be done by an independent third party or someone from the local law enforcement community." you kept calling the opening in the past to the attic "hexagonal & octagonal" shape? it's clearly round.you should know that if you were there? I don't understand the reason why you wouldn't go to Bonney Lake either. it wasn't till last year that you claim going up into the attic? added photo... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Looks like a bunch of "Filthy Comments" someone can add to there arsenal lol "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"The suspect I present confessed to the crime & he had a record. Therefore the confession of Weber should be taken into serious consideration." Yes, at one point I believe it was. I believe Duane was taken serious until they found proof that didn't point to him being Cooper. I know all about what you think & didn't think the FBI did. I have seen enough to also side with FBI. I don't think Bruce can actually be labeled everything you are putting on him. first he was a stalker, now he is "obcessed" maybe I don't agree with everything he does, but an investigative Journalist has to be tough. sometimes they ask the questions nobody wants to. they go the extra mile to get a story. getting personal with people involved in a case is not a good thing. you have to keep a certain distance. If you take someone like Knoss. that's a different story. he has purposely says things that are not true in any way, shape or form. that's completely unethical. I'll have to go a look at Bruce's interview attempt with the photo's and all with Tina again. it's been a while since I last read it. I just don't think those two terms fit what you think of Bruce. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"He crossed state lines to do it that makes it a Fed He crossed from WA to OR " First of all Stalking in not a Federal offense. Second, Bruce is not in the category of a person Stalking. Some crimes turn into a federal offense once they cross state lines. the crime must be in progress for that to happen. Paparazzi is considered the low life's in the industry of dirt digging. it obviously works because people read & view the material that they criticize these people for doing in the first place. some of you people presenting suspects fail to see that you are accusing them of a Federal offense. most of the suspects are dead and have no way to control what you guys are accusing them of. you say a lot of things that have no validation, false conclusions, inaccuracies etc, etc. then you turn around and say Bruce is not ethical? Really? you guys do a fair share of dirt digging and accusing, without validation might I add. just because Moe, Larry and Curly said so. doesn't mean it's true. Reality Hotel thingy seems to fit this post..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"This thread is nothing but one-upsmanship or one insult after another" You wouldn't have anything to do with the "one-upsmanship" on here would ya? the tiring question is asked again. why are you here? "Georger...let's get something straight here. Your personal opinions on what I post mean absolutely ZIP to me." Is that why you respond to every single post Georger makes is because you don't care? lol YOU seem to do nothing but bad mouth the thread, claim to not trust anyone, constant whining about everything posted. hyp·o·crite a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings You constantly go after people like Cossey, or Marla Cooper calling them LIARS over and over while at the same time you have a website full of lies on it? admitted by YOU just to keep the record straight! here is another definition for ya since you like to post them. Lie: A lie is a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally. several people have asked you to look in the mirror. you should really try it! "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I seriously doubt an employee in the facility Tina worked at told what you claimed as it is against the law." I don't think it's against the law to disclose employment, if they talk about her reasons leaving, conduct etc. that might be an issue. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Do you tell your circle of friends now that your former husband was DB Cooper - either in a bar or not? Along those lines, how do you share Duane's criminality socially? Do you tell anyone, or just save it for the Internet and your circle of friends here? I could care less about all of this BACKSTORY. Whose kah-kah is doing what at any time of the day - for years! Show man on piece of actual 'documented evidence' that ties anyone to the Cooper hijacking. Pending that, everything else is kah kah. "I could care less about all of this BACKSTORY. " I think the real clue lies in Duane's father's whereabouts? where was Duane's father November 24, 1871???? if you don't know, it's because you don't want the truth to come out "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"It's tough making an 'announcement' when you don't trust half the folks who post this thread." It's just as tough trusting you. so your point would be? Oh that's right it's time to insert the filthy comments. it's been weeks now. Your website has multiple lies on it. that's what they are since you are aware of them being false and continue to allow them on your site. "wait until someone on a 'legitimate' website says something." why do you constantly post on this site if it's not 'legitimate" ? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Duane had a very likeable personality" That's a Con Man's #1 weapon! most of the time they act as someone else, to persuade, charm, gain trust. the good one's are hard to see. most of the time it's to late, by then he's long gone. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, you seem to use Duane for what ever fits the need for the point you are making in a certain post. one post you will claim he was a nice guy. the next time you will say he was not a nice guy. on the post above this one you claim Duane had no enemies? a con man with no enemies? I asked the same question two years ago and you said "he had no enemies during our marriage" The bar incident sounds like a Hollywood script. unless the bar was very small with only a hand full of people I could understand everything stopping while this happened. I worked in a bar for almost 10 years and it doesn't fit the scene you play out. arguments that lead to fighting take time to build an audience in a bar. everyone was close at the bar I worked at. 80% were regulars. the crowed roaring sounds Hollywood again. you want stories? I got plenty of them from guns, knives, bottles, glasses, chairs, darts, fire extinguishers, you name it, I've seen it. broken bones, stitches, people left in a ambulance to a Coroner's van. all of these things Duane did are not relevant to the case like you think it is. put Duane in Portland the week of November 24, 1971. not 5 year before, or a year later. I realize that you are trying hard to build him around the Washington/Oregon area, but you have been doing this for almost 20 years Jo. Two decades, 7300 days Jo, and not much headway....Tommy gun, Paperlegs, JFK, area 51, Anglin brothers, buried dogs, CIA, Mafia. it goes on into infinity Jo. Duane was a very busy man in between long stents in prison. he has achieved more than anyone could possibly do that hasn't been locked up for years.....now that should get any crowd to ROAR..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I don't know what to tell you Jo. if you were to ask me, I would have to say Duane was full of Doo-Doo and unfortunately his record kind of proves that. 18 years Jo. I don't think I'm alone on this either Jo........ "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Nothing POPPED! I was what he said himself when he realized what he had just said to me. "That's were Cooper walked out of the Woods" I said "How would you know that" He said "Maybe I was the man on the Ground". That is where that story came from and it is NOT made up but given to the FBI in my first interview and stated multiple time to Mr. H. Jo, it seems pretty obvious someone is not being honest. Duane tells you this in 79, then while he is dying he tells you he was Dan Cooper. Dan Cooper was not the ground man, and the ground man doesn't have dreams of leaving prints on the stairs. it doesn't jive. as I said before, you can't have both with this story line. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I have to disagree Jo. you have said numerous times if he wasn't Cooper, he was the guy on the ground. doesn't sound like an idea that popped up.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

As you pointed out, Jo is trying to cover all her Norjack bases to be sure Duane fits in somehow either in the plane, on the ground or otherwise involved. Good point about Duane's alleged "prints on the stairs" dream. That kinda rules him out as the ground man. Don't you agree Jo? Time to drop the ground man claim? He was either Cooper or not involved at all. 377 you need two different stories, with two different backgrounds for this to work. you can't have both. what qualifications would he need on the ground? certainly nothing to do with what she is painting Duane to be. he sure wouldn't have to match the sketch either. it goes on and on. like the VO5 commercial "and so on, and so on, and so on " "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I kind of wonder what your position in this would be if Duane was alive and someone else was accusing him of this crime? what would you do? same would go for Blevins. I wonder just how hard he would proceed in his endless rants of KC being Cooper? I'm guessing a lot of defense for Duane and a lot of nothing from Blevins. the dead are very easy to pick on. Just wondering..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, again, it seems you want to corner every angle of Cooper's existence. ok, Duane was the ground guy. why have you shown pictures in the past of a yard sale with his ex holding sunglasses, or the briefcase under the table? what would be the reason for suicide while being the ground man? why would he need to signal microwaves from the ground? or own a watch that could? why would you continue to match his description of Cooper if he was on the ground? where is any proof a airstream, or a another person was involved in this crime? you guys come up with the strangest stories. faulty bank statements, stories of weekend trips (near the drop zone) hard earned money buried and then tossed in the river? dreams about leaving prints on the "aft stairs" ground man? leads that can't be followed, the one's that can end up having an explaination. if you truly believe he could be the "ground man" this could only mean the other stories are not true that you also claim to be true about him actually being Cooper? he can't be both with different positions in the crime. the Airstreaqm and bank statement reflect Cooper pushers in general. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

while you thought it was funny to yet again take a poke at Robert99. here some things for you to digest. the things in the photo were taken from your site 1/20/2014 You want to tell other people what you think is not true? Really? see attachments. added new photo... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

G-14 cargo chute 34' http://www.caravan-ny.com/parachute_cargo.html scratch that, developed in the 60's.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I'm looking for the post I had that had a guy selling a 34' cargo chute with no lines cut. the T-10 if not mistaken was produced in the 50's? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Yes you did. But that was also back when you were saying it was pink. The page below is where I posted the chute picture from back a couple of pages ago. Note it is a cargo chute from 1945. They say silk. This a garment company - you'd think they would know their fabrics from a hole in the ground.........