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Just thought you should see it. That is the complete message. that's all fine and dandy. this is an open investigation, I doubt they will let anyone just look over things. basically all evidence is off, not just the chute. we also know Tom Kaye was not denied access to the chute as you claimed he was. Uh....REALLY? He just SAID he was. (denied access) As far as the Sleuths being allowed to 'look over things,' they were already allowed full access to the tie, the money, the other parachute, etc. There is a website with all the reports and conclusions, including the team's standing offer stating they would like to examine the chute. I think that's plain enough. Uh, this was after his testing with the FBI. you were claiming he was DENIED during his investigation while looking over the evidence. don't try to merge that with what you originally said. you are on record 3 different times stating Tom was not allowed to view the chute. May 12, 2012 Robert said: In addition, although researcher Tom Kaye and his Citizen Sleuths team were allowed access to much of the Cooper evidence, the Seattle FBI completely stonewalled them regarding the Amboy chute. Monday January 13, 2014 I asked Tom Kaye if he was DENIED access to the chute during his investigation with the FBI. he replied. "We never saw the chute. We didn't think to ask about it at that time because it had been dismissed" To further clarify things that you are clearly fogging up. the access to the chute (Today) also includes the rest of the evidence. stop trying to make it look like people are only DENIED access to the chute. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Just thought you should see it. That is the complete message. that's all fine and dandy. this is an open investigation, I doubt they will let anyone just look over things. basically all evidence is off, not just the chute. we also know Tom Kaye was not denied access to the chute as you claimed he was. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

most of the time a wireless mouse doesn't need a pad Jo, I've been using one on my computer desk for years, but it has damaged the wood. it's an old set up so I really don't care.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

wonder if our boy seen this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7D6F8Awbek nice tribute here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yTftPVbH-Q "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, I'm sorry. This just sounds bad. It's like watching Ron Ziegler or other press spokesman claiming he can't answer questions because of some contrived policy. If someone else made a statement like that on here, you'd be all over them, and rightfully so. All you're doing is creating the impression in others that you don't really want the facts on Kenny to come out. As I said, some mistakes were made on this little KC journey. But not necessarily ones that either prove or disprove his suspect status. There were errors. So until we get it all straightened out, and come to a fully accurate picture on everything we can, I just don't wish to release anything else we may have discovered. Come on...none of you believe he was the guy anyway, so what is the big deal? You all wrote him off long ago, correct? what matters is what you are flooding the public with. inaccurate data that needs removed! it affects judgement! yes it does necessarily prove or disprove. it's called validation to a statement. something you seem to be slowly learning. like when you think someone looked at a chute for 10 seconds and left..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, I'm sorry. This just sounds bad. It's like watching Ron Ziegler or other press spokesman claiming he can't answer questions because of some contrived policy. If someone else made a statement like that on here, you'd be all over them, and rightfully so. All you're doing is creating the impression in others that you don't really want the facts on Kenny to come out. I think it's also fair to submit the fact that he is willfully allowing false information to remain on is website that clearly show faults in his investigation into Kenny Christiansen. he has admitted to these facts and said they would be corrected. this well over a month ago. wait, let's do it like he would. he said he would fix the error's. this was last year he mentioned this! This damages what little credibility he thinks he has. he seems to feel comfortable blasting the FBI for sloppy, or inaccurate conclusions to certain parts of the DB Cooper case. how can someone acting like this be trusted for anything? he has no affiliation to any major news groups or anyone he would have explain his actions to other than himself. he claims he receives substantial amounts of interest by email about Kenny Christiansen, as well as the case itself with acknowledged faults in his findings. a person such as this has no right to conclude anything further on this thread in my opinion. his actions are in very poor taste. He should have had a response from Tom Kaye, but I'm sure he will give some sort of tight lipped excuse on that as well. Mr. Blevins seems to believe he has some sort of Governmental status where he doesn't have to explain himself. This thread is designed for going over evidence found in the DB Cooper case. something Mr. Blevins had no problem with post after post talking about his evidence about Kenny Christiansen. once flaws started surfacing he quickly buttoned up and now takes the 5th amendment. Insert Reality Hotel Thingy perhaps? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I can answer some of those questions, yes. But not now. As I have told you multiple times, all new information regarding Kenny Christiansen is restricted on public forums." Oh, I see. it's ok for you to talk about it, but you won't say anything about it. kind of like I said before about the FBI & Robert Blevins. haven't you been whining about the FBI not discussing the Amboy chute, so in return you think they are covering things up? if you refuse to answer questions on here. you don't belong here. the questions asked have nothing to do with any book you are writing in the future. I expect you will not mention KC for any reason in the future on this form since you wish to DODGE questions about him. this would be considered fair. no examples, references, no agree/disagree about anyone saying something about KC on this FORUM. It's Androsko not Andrusko. that was really bothering me. especially coming from a writer. some would believe you deliberately did that. unlike Shoo-in not Shoe-in. also, as Mark Bennett mentioned. I thought your book was not surrounding KC? similar to your response about not talking about KC at your little thingy you were trying to do in August. I seem to recall you saying Decoded was going to start it off? a page or so back you claimed you were not going to discuss KC. flip flop, flip flop. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

One camp.....The records of the Big Flats CPS Camp #46 are restricted until the year 2025, the identity of the individual/s concerned may not be disclosed. Researchers wishing to use this material must sign a form agreeing to this stipulation before being allowed access to this part of the collection. camp #46 is located in New York.... You are just reading the 1st page. Pull the other things an go there - you will see that all over the place. Go on to the other places. YOU are only looking at ONE page. what's the stipulation then? it's one long page? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Speaking of pointing things out. where exactly was Kenny? Also: Perhaps you can fill in some gaps here Robert. I was reading back into the thread and noticed a post of yours where you were talking about Geestman. you claim he went to his home in Bonney Lake (reason not needed) so, I looked up his name on the Pierce County Auditor's site looking for his name. his sisters name popped up which you seemly spelled wrong several times on this thread by giving this name Dawn J Andrusko, when the actual name is Dawn J AndrOsko. with no records dating back into the 70's? 1987 is the earliest. can you provide proof she was living in this area where she supposedly purchased a home in 1972 which she paid for with the $5,000 loan given to her by Kenny Christiansen? possibly provide the address of the home she purchased in 1972 so it can be cross checked for validation. I'm still going through the records on her, a lot of records with her name on them. do you know who a Elva Geestman would be? also the stamp/coin collection went from $400,000-$300,000 to the winning bid of $30,000 you once explained and extra zero was added by mistake thru email, how did you mistake $400,000 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

One camp.....The records of the Big Flats CPS Camp #46 are restricted until the year 2025, the identity of the individual/s concerned may not be disclosed. Researchers wishing to use this material must sign a form agreeing to this stipulation before being allowed access to this part of the collection. camp #46 is located in New York.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

what files are closed till 2025. where can this be verified? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Isn't a Conscientious Objector typically a weapon used during the draft. I'm not saying everyone used the clause, but I believe you have to prove your status as a CO. if someone was a CO would they be training in chemical warfare? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I personally think the person who did this is on the periphery of the SOG/CIA project, but not necessarily one of the JM's or actual test jumpers. This Sheridan cat, or one like him, seems a better suspect. Again, in my opinion." Interesting, let me ask your opinion about something. what kind of person/jumper would feel confident enough to jump the way Cooper did. I'm talking about what he was wearing. it seems obvious he's not a southern boy like myself. it's 55 degree's right now and that's heater time/jacket all around wuss time for me. I've adapted to the climate. when I lived in Ohio I would laugh at those temps. he had to have known it was going to be a rough ride down dressed the way he was. do you feel he was experienced enough to laugh at us jumping that way because he knew he could do it dressed that way? why November and not another Holiday that has better weather and could still catch them off guard? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

May 29, 2008 Larry Carr posted this: The agent who originally interviewed Cossey mistakenly reported it was sewn shut. it was not sewn shut, the canopy was cut in half and the panels then sewn together. This was done so that when students practiced deploying the emergency canopy they could easily gather it and quickly stuff it back in the container for another practice throw. Anyone with any amount of experience would have know the x's on the container meant, "you might not want to use this one when jumping out of a plane." Also, when he picked it up it would have been very obvious, if you have any amount of experience, (by that I mean how tight containers are packed) that something was wrong because it would have been "squishy" (not my word but from someone who would know what the belly reserve would have felt like). If he deployed it, it would have been like one of those guns you pull the trigger and a flag comes out of the barrel that says, "bang." "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"The FBI constructing this Amboy Chute - NOT hardly." I don't believe either, but it's not as ridiculous as some of the stuff posted on here.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

it's hard to say how and when it got there. was it there during the search in 71/72? it was half out of the ground in 2008. I think the first move would be finding out who made the claim. finding the exact location. I have a good idea where it was, but I'm limited on what I can see. it's strange that none of the kids who it found have made any claims to anyone else. kids and secrets don't agree well. if you want to go way out on a limb as Robert has. how about the FBI constructed the whole thing to kick start the case again? we seem to be covering every other angle, why not this one. this could also explain the hush hush going on. that's a huge leap as well....... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Perhaps you can fill in some gaps here Robert. I was reading back into the thread and noticed a post of yours where you were talking about Geestman. you claim he went to his home in Bonney Lake (reason not needed) so, I looked up his name on the Pierce County Auditor's site looking for his name. his sisters name popped up which you seemly spelled wrong several times on this thread by giving this name Dawn J Andrusko, when the actual name is Dawn J AndrOsko. with no records dating back into the 70's? 1987 is the earliest. can you provide proof she was living in this area where she supposedly purchased a home in 1972 which she paid for with the $5,000 loan given to her by Kenny Christiansen? possibly provide the address of the home she purchased in 1972 so it can be cross checked for validation. I'm still going through the records on her, a lot of records with her name on them. do you know who a Elva Geestman would be? also the stamp/coin collection went from $400,000-$300,000 to the winning bid of $30,000 you once explained and extra zero was added by mistake thru email, how did you mistake $400,000 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

It also appears that others had no problem getting an answer from the FBI. you make this yet again another dark mystery to add to your conspiracy. "Seeking answers from the FBI, I contacted Seattle PIO Ayn Dietrich several times, and eventually she gave me her stylish but predictably evasive response: “Since it is an open case I can’t give you any specifics…but I can tell you that we did look into it (the Amboy chute)…I can also tell you that it is not a lead we are pursuing at this time….and no, I can’t tell you if we still have it (the parachute) in evidence.” it's still answer which contradicts the public being shut out. "I can tell you that we did look into it (the Amboy chute)…I can also tell you that it is not a lead we are pursuing at this time" Is that because they are afraid of the truth like us lol if this is your holy grail about no longer discussing the chute, it's because the Cooper case is still open. they will use this clause not say anything. doesn't mean they are covering anything up Jo, I mean Robert "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Other parachute experts were consulted," "including some who stepped forward to help the FBI after the parachute's discovery was announced last week." "The FBI wants to take one more step Tuesday, Carr said, and then may be ready to comment." "As Cossey suspected last week, it wasn't the one. "Not even close, not even close," he said this evening. "This was over in 10 seconds." "An FBI agent came to Cossey's house Friday and pulled the silk parachute out of a container. That's not it, Cossey said." "I spoke with Coss shortly after the announcement, and he told me that the parachute found in Amboy was not from Flight 305 as it was too large at 34-feet in diameter, and that it was a cargo chute." again, it seems Cossey came to his conclusion quickly. this doesn't mean it stopped looking at it, or explaining in detail why it wasn't the chute Cooper used. there is some what of a paper trail about the chutes used for the crime. some even mention the size. none mention 34 feet in diameter.26 or 28, I can't remember right now. then you have Hayden claiming the chutes. and Cossey having the emergency chutes. If this is the case, you are claiming Hayden had a 1946 chute in his pack. doubtful. how many chutes have been found in this area as smoke99 mentioned, among others? anyway you look at this Robert. it's a conspiracy. your claiming Cossey is lying. the FBI clearly had other people involved with the chute. they would have to agree with Cossey's lie. so everyone else would also be covering up the facts about the chute, including the FBI. that is what you call a conspiracy. you have misquoted things many times over, you were misleading people stating Tom Kaye didn't have access. The entire KC report, book and website done by you are full of error's that have been brought to your attention may times over. you have also chosen not to fix those error's. or come up with a lame excuse why you can't. you expect people to follow your lead? Really? you are never honest even in your reply's to your beliefs. you can't be trusted, and that's something you keep saying about us. any mirror's in your house? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I have sent a detailed email (with attachments) to Tom Kaye, urging him to put in a request to the Seattle FBI to be allowed to examine the Amboy parachute." you should already have an answer to your email. Tom responds quick when I email him. it was a record the other nite. 3 minutes, but most of the time it's within an hour or two. If they ruled the chute out, odds are they don't even have the chute anymore. why keep it? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I agree, but some people have a hard time accepting logical truth. I don't know if it will ever change with certain posters. most of us agree and disagree without long strung out reply's. it's hard to hold back and say nothing with some of this nonsense. good advice though. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The famous 10 second Cossey Draw!!! I have been in the Hurricane shutter business since the early 90's. I think I know what I'm doing and can prove it. people call me all the time with issues about there system. you will never guess what I can do! I can diagnose the problem over the PHONE, and 99% my experience pays off. I can also identify 99% of the many different types and manufacturing companies over the...wait, hold on. you guessed it, the PHONE. can you imagine? I think Cossey realized very early in his investigation of the chute that it wasn't what they thought it might be, and he was probably there more than 10 seconds. that seems to be his ego rambling, similar to what you do! how do you know Cossey didn't continue looking at the chute after 10 seconds and pull the chute out fully so they could measure it? the FBI is not obligated to spoon feed you every single thing about anything they conclude! keep in mind that this is not a murder case where the whole country is demanding answers. most people like smoke99 said probably took very little notice of the whole thing. it's obvious you are not looking at this clearly or logically. I will agree it would be nice to show more detail of the find, but I don't think the FBI wants to explain themselves to fit our needs. it appears to me that they had several options they used to conclude the chute is nothing but a chute, and had nothing to do with the DB Cooper case. since the FBI didn't fully detail the find, it allows conspiracy theories to surface like yours. try something constructive today other than lighting up a conspiracy theory. try fixing the error's on your site in order to stop more conspiracy theories to surface Have a wonderful logical day "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, you seem to have a pattern of leaving things out while trying to prove things. the first quote about Agent Burroughs you left out the fact of her not being certain about the things she said about the chute. the next quote about Cossey and the now famous 10 second draw also has more to the story. In the same article where Cossey mentions how quick he ID'd the chute Agent Carr goes on to say the following. "Larry Carr, the special agent in charge of the case out of the FBI's Seattle field office, said the FBI couldn't confirm anything tonight. The FBI wants to take one more step Tuesday, Carr said, and then may be ready to comment." this was on March 31, 2008. you are claiming they came to conclusion based on Cossey alone which is incorrect. you quoted this: "Lastly, within 48 hours of Cossey's examination, the Seattle FBI dismissed the chute as not being Cooper's, giving only 'silk not nylon' and 'a totality of the information' as their only answers. They also said they would no longer discuss it. 1) Cossey concluded on Friday March 31, 2008 2) Larry Carr quoted "one more step Tuesday, Carr said, and then may be ready to comment." 3) Friday to Tuesday is not 48 hours 4) whats the word you like to use? "cherry pick" 5) you mislead the public by stating Tom Kaye was refused access to the chute. 6) you leave out key parts after you quote something. 7) you still haven't shown where they refuse to discuss the find. what is this now 4 or 5 pages going over this ridiculous conspiracy theory about this chute being used on flight 305. did Cossey lie to Bruce when he said the canopy was 34 feet in diameter and the FBI didn't have a tape measure to verify themselves? http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/03/newfound_parachute_not_from_sk.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/us/27chute.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, first of all it doesn't mean he looked at it and left after 10 seconds. many people look at things at first and say things like "I knew right off the bat" 'Silk not nylon?' 'the totality of the evidence?' 'I own it, so I can identify it?' that aapears to be be several quotes into one. source please" “It’s the right place, it’s the right color and it appears to be the right size,” said Special Agent Robbie Burroughs of the F.B.I. office in Seattle" now you are quoting someone who is also an expert like yourself on chutes? please provide the link showing where they say "zone A" if you look at this photo it breaks down the area's by numbers. area 2 would be where the Amboy chute was. please provide the link or document containing the exact quotes you are giving. Thank You I found the link and the quote is correct. however you left part of it OUT! Agent Burroughs goes on to say the following. "Then again, Ms. Burroughs said, “it’s hard to say that because it’s so tied up in knots and it’s quite deteriorated.” If it was tied up into knots how did she know it was the right size? she sounds like you by jumping to conclusions. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

This could be true "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI