mrshutter45

You were supposed to submit a list of objections. You didn't, but then how could you? You blocked PM's. Guess if you want changes you'll have to use my email. List, please. You can post it publicly if you wish. I will take a look. Robert, they have been posted multiple times. you were also told the PM's were cut off months ago, not recently. it's a trust issue...remember? play dumb all you want. you first said months ago you would change the error's. then weeks ago you claimed a password issue...give me a break dude. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Next time you want to take another low shot at me, at least get your facts straight" Robert, it didn't appear to me that Robert took a low shot at you. seems to me he was asking a question. more of your jumping right into worse case. I'm not even going to bother with the "facts straight" part of Robert Blevins. one who doesn't have his "facts straight" on his own website.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The "flying dirty" is also mentioned in the transcripts. I wonder how long Knoss has known Rats son. sure does explain a lot of the BS. it's all in his head...... see attachment "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

4 million pounds.......POOF "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Interesting article here: Did you know? In just over a year, Iron Mountain has securely shredded nearly four-million pounds of sensitive materials from Boeing’s regional sites — all in an environmentally responsible way. http://www.ironmountain.com/Knowledge-Center/Reference-Library/View-by-Document-Type/Case-Studies/B/Boeing.aspx another good one... http://www.csoonline.com/article/216615/ex-boeing-worker-accused-of-stealing-documents "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I disagree. Doesn't matter what you see on the ground. You need to know stairs can be opened in flight and that the plane can fly safely with them down. It's not obvious. That much in the slipstream with a long moment arm relative to CG might give a pitch down force. Squat switches on the landing gear might disable stair lowering system once aloft. 377 Hmmm. well it's a good point. we must also keep in mind the 727 was used over sea's. knowledge could have been gained from the point as well. was there any point the pilots had access to the stairs through the cockpit? if not, where did he get that idea? did someone give him false information? I don't think a switch was able to stop the stairs. that's why the Cooper vane was installed.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Carr posted here long ago that Coop had thought that the stairs were dropped from the cockpit. Based on Tina statement of what Coop said to her when he was told the plane couldn't take off with the stair down. well, that kind of debunks his secret knowledge of the 727 doesn't it? I think a lot of his knowledge could have easily been found outside of working for Boeing. I mentioned before. how do we know Cooper didn't put some of this together watching the stairs drop while in a terminal looking out? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

In a 21 Jan 97 Arizona Daily Star article about a presentation by Scott: "Once Cooper got his sack of money, he ordered Scott to fly as low and slowly as possible and drop the back steps." edit: Not a quote of Scott, but of the article. seems to also suggest Cooper thought the pilots would lower the stairs.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

In a 21 Jan 97 Arizona Daily Star article about a presentation by Scott: "Once Cooper got his sack of money, he ordered Scott to fly as low and slowly as possible and drop the back steps." When you think about it that would be a very risky command. The crew would have been happy to drop him over the Pacific Ocean. "As low as possible" taken literally could have them flying at low AGL altitude that would have put Cooper at risk. Much safer to command a specific altitude that you know will give you enough AGL altitude to exit then perhaps freefall and then deploy. 377 Eh, he was a bad ass top secret super spy black ops assassin combat veteran microwave emitting radio carrying super criminal MK Ultra tripping Don Juan smoke-jumping wilderness survival expert, he just needed to tie the bag, hold his nose, pull the ripcord (on the last step) splash in, and swim in to history! All the way to Florida. Matt Not before he buried it in several locations, came back only to find the money was deteriorated. throws some of it back into the Columbia, and then buried some of it on Tena Bar several months before it's found.....case solved 2/1/2014 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

So, if Coop says under (or not over) 10,000 and the crew needs to fly as high as they can to minimize fuel consumption and to maximize radio range and radar tracking range, that means go AT 10,000. even though Cooper made the statement of staying below 10,000. it seems after plotting a best known course that 10,000 would be a good agreed altitude, along with what you mentioned. this would not compromise Cooper's demand? is that safe to say? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

See the attachment to Shutter's post on this point above. Cooper apparently was the first one to mention 10,000 feet for whatever reason. But his exact statement may not be in any written record now. we also have conflicting statements of Cooper's last known communication. the records claim 8:05 which is just a couple minutes prior to the possible jump area. Ralph Himmelsbach claims the last contact was right after they leveled off at 10,000. this puts the plane several miles north of the Toledo area. then you have something conflicting on the transcripts again. 8:52 they claim 55 minutes was the last contact. If you subtract 55 minutes from 8:52 you back to the area Himmelsbach claims? what does this say about the 8:05 time slot? then you have Rataczak claiming he jumped 10-15 minute past the last communication with Cooper. If you go by that and what Himmelsbach claims. Cooper jumped before Lake Merwin???? I'm wondering what position the stairs were in when the placard got out? how exactly was the placard mounted? I have not been able to find a picture of this area showing where the placard was. the lever is at the top of the stairs on the left (looking to the rear of the plane) I'm going to contact Boeing and see if any answers can be found. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

NOTHING Cooper stated implies he was LOCAL. Knowing a place and having worked there in the past does NOT make someone LOCAL. there is really no way to tell one way or the other. Cooper could have done his homework of the area like many criminals do. he could have also tried to jump early to catch them off guard. it's dark outside, Cooper would be aware that it would take time to get a fix on his location. If his original intentions were to jump ASAP. why is everyone connecting dots around the supposed jump location? this would be the oh well jump site? not relevant to the original plan..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I'll check my inteview notes with Rataczak. I believe he confirmed the 10K demand from Cooper. Also, Dona Elliott said the plane was lower than 10K when it went over Amboy. She told, Bobby B, me and Meyer it was about 3-4,000 feet when we talked with her in Ariel in 2012. wasn't Cooper's demand that they stay under 10,000? V23 and 10,000 feet is mentioned a lot. then they wonder if more restrictions will be imposed. ground control responds by saying "you fly in the best way you can do her" they seem to have trouble climbing and stop at 7,000. Rataczak claims he went to 30 degree flaps because of the vibrations occurring with the steps down. this causes even more fuel to be wasted. they go back to 15 degree flaps prior to climbing to 10,000. the cloud coverage also seems to be an issue. they report to 305 "if you do get on top, or where the visibility is good, you might advise center about it" my guess would be that it's a crap shoot on what could be seen through gaps in the clouds. the coverage was pretty thick, so it's doubtful about seeing noticeable landmarks. Rataczak claims to have seen Vancouver and Portland, but doesn't say anything else was seen. if you go by the FBI claiming where he jumped, those landmarks are pointless. Cooper jumped already. I think it's a huge gamble trying to look through the clouds for navigation purposes.... added notes: In the transcripts Cooper doesn't say 10,000 (see photo) "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

377 _ Why did Cooper have them go to 10k feet for him to bail? During the whole period of him getting the door open and stairs out they are at 7000 ft and have been flying at 7000 for some time. With the door finally open and stairs out and Tina forward they climb to 10k feet and slow the plane at Cooper's request. Couldn't he have bailed at 7000 ? Is there something special about 10,000 feet that only an trained parachutist would know_beyond the extra time under chute? Would a novice necessarily know or care if it was 7000 vs 10,000 ? Is it a visual issue given the cloud cover at the time? What is the dominant concern Cooper is expressing in this instruction? Maybe this is a stupid question ? It's about 14 minutes into the flight before the climb to 10,000, or 27 nautical miles north of Toledo. they level at 10,000 around 7:53...18 nautical miles miles from Toledo. if you go by the transcripts.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

If you can't reveal your source, and can't provide verification through a second source, (such as calling Mitchell on your own) then I have to consider your source worthless. And if it happens to be Galen Cook, I just don't believe it anyway. Robert, having trouble with verification? perhaps Bruce is writing a book and doesn't want to tell you. I know it's a different story than yours right? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Jo, If I cared will that change things? will Bruce give in and start washing cars for a living? I don't see anyone else calling him the names you have given him. I see people disagree with his approaches sometimes. I also seen people reverse there thoughts about him. what will we accomplish here? If I'm not mistaken you were asked some serious questions by Bruce and all hell broke loose. I believe this is between you & Bruce if you ask me? I really don't see where Bruce would interview me unless it was about my simulator, other than that I have no idea why he would want to interview me? Sorry Bruce. my mistake. I thought you took the pics. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

GreyCop's book was print to order. I bought one at the University of Washington Book Store. They'll print it while you wait and it takes about 20 minutes. I wonder if I'm the only one who bought a copy. you just might be the only one Ha Ha Ha I think he always use to say. glad you made it home safe and sound..... Thanks. I thought you'd be upset with me for crashing and destroying two 727's on your simulator! Didn't Vicki tell you I decided to only charge one hours cost to operate a 727. also was not in the position of accepting checks I was able to repair the planes you decided to check gravitational pull with. the theory of what goes up must come down was taken literally in your case. all joking aside, I hope you enjoyed the time..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

GreyCop's book was print to order. I bought one at the University of Washington Book Store. They'll print it while you wait and it takes about 20 minutes. I wonder if I'm the only one who bought a copy. you just might be the only one Ha Ha Ha I think he always use to say. glad you made it home safe and sound..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The only negative posts you are seeing from me relate to the BULLY and when he attacks the witnesses - I just loose it. I have been intouch with most of them over the yrs other than Shaffner and have the contact info for them - but, I do not post or harass or call them. I made an exception for VICKIE because her story touched me and I made the information available to Mitchell and left ALL of the REST to him and to VICKIE. I did NOT give VIckie his contact information - THAT would be going too far. I am sure if he ID the photo he called the FBI - and that would be the right thing to do. Jo, if you have been in touch with all of the witnesses to the crime. why haven't you asked the right questions about Duane being Cooper. reporters have to be persistent in finding answers. they can't take sides of certain issues. unfortunately one of them is privacy. sometimes they have to break that barrier to find answers. do you think it's right for the news to show someone being shot on film 20 times in 5 minutes for the next couple days? the news seems to be more violent than a lot of shows they speak about having to much violence in them? I'm not stating he is "Bruce Almighty". what exactly did Bruce do, other than knock on her door several times and take some pictures of her without her knowledge? where does the stalking fit in. he is a reporter trying to get some answers. must we take your advice as well as Blevins and make it a law that reporters can't do anything without email , or calling first? shouldn't we also ban Court TV? it's none of our business right? I never really got caught up in Bruce's soap opera about how he contacted Tina. perhaps I missed something, but don't really find it relevant to evidence about Cooper...if he was nasty to her. shame on him. I really don't care one way or the other to be honest. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"GUYS HOW MANY YRS HAVE WE HEARD THIS ABOUT STUFF BEING DONE OFF LINE." Jo, sometimes it's just better to communicate off the thread while discussing things. no arguments, ego's etc. all left at the door. this is not the only place to go for Cooper discussions, plus it always ends up in arguments about candidates vs evidence on here. I wish the levels of discussion "offline" could happen on here. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

your missing the point on 9/11. it shouldn't have went as far as it did. everything failed. early warning system? scramble alert? I'm not talking about the problems following it. everyone thought the USA was impenetrable. wrong! that's what we get for assuming. sadly.... were not talking about Marla, Georger, or anyone else. nobody is out to second guess anyone. you have to look at all the evidence Robert. stop putting so much respect into people you don't know. do you know all of these smart people? do they all have perfect records, faultless lives? ever heard the term shit happens? calculation can be wrong, especially under stress. your second guessing the entire FBI with your KC story. who are you fooling here? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert99 has stated several times that he believes the flight path is wrong, and that's how the money arrived at Tina Bar...because Cooper pancaked nearby. I can quote this if you wish. Look, I'm open to this theory, but I haven't seen any proof of it yet. I find it hard to believe ATC, the chase jets, and SAGE radar or whatever got it all wrong. I've heard some stuff about looking for Cooper just east of Woodland. But that area is still EAST of the interstate. My personal belief is that 305 never went west of the freeway at any time while it was north of Vancouver. I will check with Skipp Porteous on the address for Mitchell. I'm pretty sure we got it right, since our info matched his first, middle initial, and last name, and matched the city where he lived. But you never know. Maybe the address is outdated. No worries. If it was the wrong Bill Mitchell, we will find out soon enough and deal with it. Nothing has been returned yet to our office by USPS. The truth is, Georger may not really know and is just saying that stuff. I will give it a few more days. EDIT: Glad you're daughter is okay, Jo. I just saw that from you. Cool-cool. Yes, it's hard to believe I'll give you that. it's not impossible they got it all wrong either. If Robert99 laid everything out for us all to see. then perhaps you could come to a conclusion. I leave the option open. I'm not convinced either, but I don't mock him, or beg for an answer within a certain time. no offense but I look at Robert's credentials vs yours, or mine and quickly conclude more trust in his gut feelings and logic than yours or mine. If he's wrong, he gave it a shot. it beats sitting in front of a computer pissing and moaning about it. he's trying to do something about it. Common sense factor...not to be confused with fact. we have a place card that gives a location of the path. we have money from the crime in a difficult position. we have a path between the two making more sense of the money and position of the plane. we have a path away from population. Is it true? I don't know, but it doesn't sound off the wall to me. The FBI states the map is the "believed flight path" I don't recall them stating it as fact? they now also believe Cooper didn't jump were they originally thought he did. someone got something wrong perhaps? there has to be more logic to all of this confusion. what if he is right and decides to stop his research and we find out 10 years from now he was right? you have to think outside the box. I have a tool that can provide some of his needs. your damn right I'll look into it. doesn't mean that's what my project is about, or I'm a firm believer in the path moving west. I don't rely on what someone said without checking on it first. you assume way to many things, or rely on what is written online by "Important people". guess what? there human too and make mistakes just like anyone else. it's all a joke to you. if it wasn't. you wouldn't be making statements like that. Nobody thought a bunch of fools with box cutters could hijack several planes and destroy the Twin Tower either did they? or fly right into the Pentagon. where were the really smart guys that day? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"You keep saying that about the 'real action is happening off this forum'. No kidding. I haven't seen anything but bitching, whining, and backbiting around here for weeks. Maybe months. Wouldn't surprise me a bit. I'm sure you'll let everyone know when you offline guys solve the case or manage to move the flight path miles west of the interstate." who has managed to move the flight path? a lot of the "bitching, whining, and backbiting" always seems to find it's way around you? seems to never happen while you are absent? The next time you send a package might I suggest certified mail to insure you know it gets there? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Is she on 75 Jo. I'm looking at a live traffic map....75 is very slow all the way up towards canton. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"My boy tells me: "Dad, privacy is OVER. Just get used to it." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7pYHN9iC9I "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI