mrshutter45

"The museum returned my Cooper twenty. They were a class act, insured, prepaid shipping, and very attentive and appreciative. I stare at it a lot, examining every part of the tattered bill, trying to imagine how it got to Tena Bar, but I just can't figure it out." Since the bill went back to it's native land, perhaps it might be ready to talk now "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Vicki showed me Paul's book. it reminded me of a children's book with the large bold text. I was just going thru his You Tube videos. seems he has problems with viewers there as well. he sounded like any other person you would talk to on the phone, but he is similar to Knoss by having quick answers as he speaks. he really lost me when he told me the FBI has a picture of him peaking out the aft stairs lol. I told him they wouldn't be taking a picture of him if they seen him, sniper would have taken that picture... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Thank you! I had actually downloaded that pdf before...Amazing the stuff we miss by not paying attention, huh? Cool! Have to tell you -- as someone who was only able to visit your exhibit on-line, it added to my store of Cooper knowledge and I enjoyed it. While I was at your site, I also found more interesting historical stories about your state not related to Cooper. As a history buff, I just want to say thanks for the work you do. Smoking you know I can't download or even get to the documents - can you send me a PM with the basics of what was contained in the referenced material. Jo, there is a simple download for viewing PDF files. I sent it to you once before. http://get.adobe.com/reader/ you need to clean out your computer. I'll bet it's full of Malware and Spyware. yes I said Spyware, non Governmental of course. you probably have more cookies than my Granny baked her entire life. all of the problems I just mentioned have been known to cause things to go poof. I watched You Tube with dial up years ago. you need a flash player which can also be downloaded free. I think you are making things a lot harder by not taking simple measures for your internet viewing pleasures. you remind me of a Steve McQueen movie. he didn't like anything new (extreme old school) can't remember the name? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

GreyCopGC148 solved 1 28 2014 "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"Why does Bennett say hi? I don't know him, except for his posts here." I'm just the messenger. don't know the meaning either. ask him when he gets back I guess. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert, I'm not scared of anyone. I have a trust issue with my PM's. sound familiar? you were shut off from PM's months ago with a smart ass comment of calling me a thief. If anything you should have no problems with someone looking into these alligations. sort everything out. find out what is fact or possible mistakes. people can tell stories all day long. it proves nothing. documents are always the best bet. as I mentioned before, if things turn out to be valid, it would be a plus for you. I think it's gone on long enough don't you? things need to be verified. you have refused to answer questions in the past, so I'll try and find them myself. it's not a big deal. I'm tired of going back and forth with you. one minute the book is about people in general, the next it's a whole new KC investigation flip flopping back and forth. so, lets see what comes to light... Mark Bennett told me to tell you hi..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"What exactly does it prove? Do you believe that Kenny was the hijacker? Sounds like a maybe" Hardly the truth (what a shock) you seem to forget you plastered all this crap about Kenny buying this and owning that all over the place. it's turning out not to be true. I'm documenting it. has nothing to do with Kenny being Cooper (which he was not) It's not a question of who investigated Kenny first. you are the main person on record making all of these claims. some of them you are aware of not being true, but decided to allow the lies to remain on your website. It's a matter of clearing the BS up and show some actual proof of what things really are. If they turn out correct, so be it. the proof will be there. no more hiding the documents and playing games. right there for all to see. that's how it's done. any more questions whether I think KC was Cooper? or you still having a comprehension issue? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"You'll never prove it by detailing how he bought his house, the value of his coin collection in 1994" Guess what? it proves more than you want to comprehend. the problem I see is there is no proof Kenny was anything other than Kenny. it's not a question of disproving as much as it is proving. I've seen nothing. people lie, people make things up. people allow lies to continue (cough, cough) Take away the money and you have a bunch of people telling stories. the one who started it can't be trusted. the one who investigated it, can't be trusted. none of them want to come forward on an unsolved crime for closure to the people Cooper threatened that night. everyone is aware nobody is going to jail as an accomplice. smoke & mirrors....loop hole city.... "People are right when they say he could have gotten the money to do certain things by other means. I really doubt that, but it is possible." Possible lol. this shows exactly how one sided you can be. you can't honestly investigate him any further if you ask me. That's why I'm looking into it..two record requests already out. addresses and numbers found. I'm just debating on whether I should wait and see what you come up with "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Robert just throwing it in the river meant it could have sank to the bottom an never be found. That is why HE buried a little near the bank across from the PDK and then PUT some on the beach at Tena's to be sure it woud be fourn and then he threw some off the piling at the bridge at the Red Lion. THiS way he was ASSURED someone would find it and the FBI would think he was dead. By the time they did - he was was safe and sound in Mobile Alabama and the money sitting in a saft depost box in Ohmaha. Omaha if he ever had to run he could always make a quick top in Omaha - the City with which you pass thru to get to all points. Jo, once again you are all over the board with this. in the past you claimed he laundered the money, then it was buried and dug up and planted on Tena Bar, and thrown into the river. now it was safe in Omaha? was Duane a pirate? buried treasure all about? "ASSURED someone would find it" ? why not send it directly to the FBI? one would be "ASSURED" it would be found and prove he was alive. neither you or Robert have shown any valuable spending of the money, or improvements of life styles. Duane should have been able to buy hundreds of bottles of champagne with hundred dollar bills wrapped around them. Kenny went from a small apartment to basically a small shack in the woods that took him the remainder of his life to pay off? he had no problem giving $5000 away, but couldn't pay his own way? total nonsense. I'm guessing Dawn J worked for Boeing in the 90's because she took loans out from the Boeing Employee Credit Union. if she worked for Boeing in the 70's, why didn't she go through them instead of Kenny. she paid it off in two years lol. nothing validated proving any of this except someone claiming it. Kenny could of used the quick payments from Dawn to pay off his own debt?. the cost of Kenny's house was way under the average cost of homes for that period. where does that put Kenny? right in the poor house as Robert has claimed many times with his slave NWO pay. not one piece of evidence left behind, no 20's not one that you would think Cooper would have kept. I'm not talking about hidden in some safe deposit box, or Franks house that was demolished 20 years ago. If nobody ever suspected them they wouldn't have to hide it very well would they? after all he had the ticket close by right? even though it didn't say Dan Cooper on it. Do you and Robert expect this board along with the FBI to believe all of this nonsense? Really? When Duane escaped from prison in Ohio, is there any evidence he was toying with them while on the run? mocking them for not catching him? doubtful..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

For all the reasons I mentioned earlier, this makes absolutely no sense strategically or otherwise. A smart hijacker will stay the course since they haven't found him by now. A smart hijacker will not court trouble by running the risk of someone seeing him bury or throw the money into the river. A smart hijacker who has managed to lay low for almost 5 years is not going to draw attention now. The only way a plant makes sense is if you have the find planned. Otherwise why do it? Why would the bundles have to fall from the sky or float down the river individually? They could have been together until they got to Tena Bar from the air or water or even land and then all sorts of scenarios: the bag rotted, an eagle thought it was a rabbit, animals disturbed the bag trying to find food, no one has ever disproved the pipe suction dredge theory, the money could have been all together and then a flood took the bag and the rest of the money away. I live in an area that has 100 year floods about every 10 or 15 years. You would be amazed at the stuff that gets brought and then left behind when the waters recede. The money is a puzzle but any of these scenarios make more sense then a hijacker who has gotten away with it all of sudden deciding he's gonna throw em off the path. Like I said, if he was going to do that it would make a WHOLE lot more sense to do it somewhere closer to the areas that they searched. That would reinforce the speculation that he died. was it really 3 bundles? if it was in the bag for a long period undisturbed you would think they might all be stuck together in different area's. only an open mind could help figure this all out. going by the record sure isn't working is it? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

If I didn't say it before, welcome to the forum. The problem with the money being a plant by Cooper is... what's the purpose to plant something that might or might not ever be found? And why plant it there? For all intents and purposes you have gotten away with a crime. Why draw any attention to the crime or yourself? Stay as far under the radar as you can. And if you are going to plant the money - why plant it there? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to plant it somewhere along the assumed flight path? It would be in a place where it might be expected to be - essentially erasing the question as to whether it was planted or not -- and by extension that he must have survived in order to plant it. Wouldn't it be a lot better to reinforce their suspicion that you are dead? The only rationale that I can think of for this is that the hijacker wanted to taunt the FBI with you-can't-catch-me. But then the location still doesn't make sense. Why take the chance that no one would ever dig in that exact spot? There are so many better ways to drop the money where you would know it would be found if that was the objective. The only other plant story that makes sense to me is if the adult Ingrams got possession of the money somehow and they wanted to be able to turn it in and get the value of the money or a reward without revealing the real way they came about having the money. Now that one I have to admit I've wondered about. You beat me to the punch on this. A plant only works if the money is found. So, anyone who thinks the money was a plant, has to ask their selves, "was finding the money planned as well?". Now, we are getting into Grey Cop territory and that is not a good place to be. I think the idea of a plant is ludicrous, at best. If you take what Robert99 has been trying to say, things might be easier to explain. we have the place card further North, we have an airliner with a possible bomb on it. why would they fly over populated area's? if you were to fly further east, it would take longer to stay along V23 down to Reno, burning up more needed fuel getting back on track. It's not deviating much further off of V23 and makes more sense when you look at the theory itself. why were they looking in the Woodland area in the first place? unanswered questions are a factor here. there is other things that have not been discussed along these lines. closing the mind and sticking to what the original path was is not a proper way to think. I don't know if the path is wrong. I've done some testing that tell different stories I can tell you that. you can't always go by what is presented. we have nothing but speculation whether or not Cooper could see anything through the clouds, so how would he know where he was? how many things were discussed on the radio/phone patch that we don't know about? where are the details of how the path was made? we hear Carr explain on video that this is "the believed flight path"? the search map photo doesn't show that they really are sure where he landed. it's a wide area they originally searched. I don't know if it means anything but take a look at this photo provided. look at the location of the map the cop is looking at. it's further east and shouldn't be part of the search area. why is he looking at that position? for them to have an idea where he jumped. they sure did look all over the place for him? the details between Cooper and McCoy are clearly different. almost like McCoy said "let me show you how it's done" "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

How about just mailing a 20 to Seattle? go far enough away and from home and just send it to them. it would be absolute proof. no handwriting test needed. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

well said. to conclude I don't think I have seen any suspects investigated properly on this thread. Jo has dug deep into Duane's past, but most of it can't be validated. Mr. Blevins seems to have taken the word of others rather doing proper document searches for answers. they all seem to take the story very personal which seems to blur possible answers to there theories they refuse to acknowledge. everything said about a suspect's past should be backed up with documented evidence. taking the word of a said purchase of anything is hardly a fact. lots of misleading information turned into facts show up often. according to documents from Pierce County. Kenny Christiansen sold a large lot containing over 17 acres of land selling at a price of $17,000 an acre. this was just a few years before he died. this could easily explain the large sum of money he had in the bank. instead of properly checking financial reports of individuals they leave a dark mystery behind what they consider fact. it gives a false impressions of the truth. I think many of these people are so involved into trying to find answers that they become blind to the truth. some could possibly have other reasons not to agree that there findings are inaccurate due to time involved, or books in place that would be totally inaccurate further damaging credibility. you would think that two of the major suspects pushed on this thread have been on television numerous times, countless websites, radio programs, newspapers etc. don't you think either some or all of the living witnesses to this crime would have stumbled over these stories about the possibility they are DB Cooper at one point in time? Weber goes back to 1996. KC is closing in on a decade as well. do we trust the judgment of these people over the FBI????? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

The aircraft was reportedly flown from Reno back to Seattle the day after the hijacking (this would mean Thanksgiving Day). The stairs did not drag the runway until the aircraft was going very slow and the damage to the stairs was minimal. There are pictures on Sluggo's web page (I think it is) of the aft stairs that were taken at Reno showing this slight damage. I took a still off the video a while back showing the stairs just after landing at Reno. it must of been soon after the landing. still presents of the dogs around. also look at the note on the photo named Tarmac. things I never took notice of while looking at the photo. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

welcome by the way. many have also wondered about Cooper hiding on the plane, myself included. one of the problems I see with this is if he did manage to hide undetected one would think he would leave the chutes and briefcase behind. this was never found when the plane was scrapped. lots of speculation surrounding the money. the FBI was never on his trail so why leave hard earned money to throw them off a path they were never on? just because the money was found the way it was doesn't mean it has to be a plant. Mother Nature does strange things. according to the FBI the plane was searched with certainty of Cooper not being on the plane when it landed. they also had dogs searching the plane. I'm not sure when the plane was available for it's normal flights. perhaps someone on thread has that answer.... Has there ever been a documented case of a suspect returning to the crime scene to plant evidence to throw them off the trail years after the fact? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I noticed you continue to use the word "lying" a lot. I just looked at your website again and noticed several known lies on it. you have known for a long time that Kenny didn't pay $16,500 cash for his house as one example..... no evidence of any 727 taking off with the stairs locked you say? Really? no evidence of two people on the stairs at 6,000 feet either I bet? or several people on the stairs while it was taking off? doubtful right? "He said he had a grudge, but not against NWA" don't you often try and use Kenny being out of work because of the strikes from NWO for the grudge? "he could have worked for an airline, or knew someone at Boeing. Or both." "Maybe that's because he had personally never had to operate an airstair release lever before." why would Kenny or someone familiar with the plane have trouble with the stairs. a purser would also be needed in a emergency situation on evacuating the passengers. If he did work for Boeing your claim of this person would also know the stairs drop to a certain point, or did Cooper only work at Boeing, or knew someone from there, but didn't know about the stairs which makes the whole point worthless? Tina knew how to operate them, I'll bet everyone working in the cabin were made aware of how they operate. probably mandatory. they have to know how to get the passengers out of the plane if an emergency should occur. so if Cooper did release the stairs and noticed they didn't lock he should have known that because he worked, or knew someone from Boeing, right? but still had trouble? Personally I don't think he knew anything other than where the lever was, which could of easily been found out by asking a stew at any given time prior to the crime. Cooper could of "cased" the area as many criminals do before a crime. he doesn't have to be from the area simply by pointing out known landmarks. we can only speculate where and why he jumped where they think he jumped. this is not your typical repeat offender type crime. how do we know Cooper wasn't an ordinary guy who was a frequent flyer and noticed the stairs coming down while sitting in a terminal? why does he HAVE to have worked at Boeing? people do crazy things for crazy reasons sometimes....we could all be so far off base, it's not funny.. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"You guys have continuely ignored Weber's family connections to Boeing and the friends of the family who assisted with the Boeing 727 jumps before they were ever utilized." Jo, you have never proven anything other than what you have written on this thread. everything you try and prove has a clause of "nobody knows where it went" "the records are missing" etc. what Boeing 727 jump tests are you talking about? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think the ground crew opens/closes the stairs from the outside. I don't know if any had access to the stairs thru the cockpit. I haven't seen any. Isn't the inside lever for emergency use? video showing the access to the stairs outside.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjXB1Y9kISg "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I think this is the vid you were looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eC73rZPH3Q "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

"I have seen no evidence that the Thailand jump test 727 ever took off with stairs deployed. It appears that the stairs were removed for those tests." correct, and it appears sheet metal was installed over the stairs that were attached to the plane so cargo or personnel could safely exit out of the plane. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrqdmXxBZjI "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

You kind of help confirm the story of the piece of wood being from the kitchen demolition. in the picture you claim three sides were jagged and appear to be fresher than the straight cut. this is due to the fact of the piece being cut while in place. the straight clean cut would be the front or back of the top. they hacked it up not bothering with damaging the top due ti it being destroyed, or dismantled. don't you find it a least bit strange that Decoded found the spot within a minute? they went right to the spot where the wood was above them? then they failed to show the opening in it's entirety sugar coating it more with false claims of hinges. they glossed right over something that should have been detailed. similar to the crack at the start of the show of the briefcase possibly being the actual case. the piece was partially on top of the insulation leading one to believe it hasn't been there long. it's probable because the insulation doesn't appear to be from that time period. it looks new. I would guess the house originally had plaster walls being built in the 40's. I seen visible drywall tape used to splice the pieces together visible in the ceiling (poorly done) the house has changed dramatically over time. interior changes, repairs in the attic, vents added to the roof and eve's, windows replaced with different dimensions. the home was converted to a business over a decade ago. if the insulation is from a different time period. how did the piece remain up there and get in between the new insulation? it should have been completely covered, but it wasn't. I don't trust these shows anymore than you trust people on this thread.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Okay...but you don't have the original and I do. It's a bit different when you can hold something in your hand and check it out up-close and personal. I keep it inside a couple of white garbage bags in the closet. And yes...looks like wood stain marks on the white side of the board, a few similar ones on the back. One thing is for sure, the board itself is a scrap. It's not a piece that was never used. In other words, it was from old, pulled-out countertop. I don't think it matters much though. Can't prove much about it. As I said, too bad there wasn't a twenty dollar bill from a famous 34-page list in the box when Decoded found it. As evidence it is frankly worthless. If Kenny is ever discovered to actually BE Cooper...then you'll know where he probably hid the money and why he built the box. Then I sell that sucker quick on eBay. (*laughs*) Otherwise, it is moot. Robert, I don't have to see it in person. it doesn't have the characteristics of wood stain. it soaks into wood and will blotch. you can't paint a circle or anything of that nature because it will bleed rather than form. the color is not even close to the cabinets. you said this " Those have a shine to them. I don't know" wood stain does not have a shine to it. I can tell by the different natural colors in the wood that are darker than what you are calling the same color as the cabinets. it's not stain, or even a match in color. you never answered the original question that was asked.... The original question was you claimed for some reason you didn't want to go to Bonney lake. also you mentioned Law enforcement should go into the attic and look. you later claimed you went up there? at that point you didn't seem to have knowledge of being up there, or you would have known there was no hinges. then replied nobody would believe you. it's sounds like you hadn't been in the attic? "Not a chance would I go near Bonney Lake to check this out " little confusing... later you claimed you went into the attic right after Decoded left for L.A. this implies it was rather quick that you went up there, and yet you give a different story conflicting that report. why would you have to go back to check out something you should have already known? my point is that you went into the attic not long after Decoded, but then when someone wanted to know if hinges were up there, you were making sure what type hinges were there implying that you were never up there in the first place. "Make sure to note if they are righthand or lefthand hinges. It matters. very confusing and fishy. what exactly are right/left handed hinges? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Flight Engineer (and now Captain) Andy Anderson and Alice Hancock are both still alive. That is what I hear from Galen. He says he has spoken to both of them at length, and Alice agreed to help Galen make contact with Tina. Alas, Tina rebuffed Alice, according to Galen. Galen has also asked me to respect his position pitching his book and his investment in finding these two indivuduals. As a result, he has not given me the contact information for them, and I have been unable to find either one of them on my own. As for a raging recluse. Tina is unique. She is quite selective on who, when and where she rages. She slammed the front door three times when I visisted her in July 2011. To me, one door slam is anger, two is totally pissed off, three is rage. In addition, I never felt that Tina's anger was directed towards me personally or directly. Rather, I felt she was angry at something else and I simply triggered the association. She didn't make eye contact with me at all when she slammed the door, nor did she ever hurl any epithets towards me. The rage was quite contained. No f-bombs at all, nor any shouting. In fact, no words at all, once she asked me to leave. Thanks for the picture of Tina, Smokin99. So that is what she looks like when she smiles. Wow. Thanks Bruce. did either of them comment about the case that you know of. I don't recall reading anything? "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

I took a piece of wood (pine) about 3" x 6" and applied stain to it along with a clear coating, and glue for evaluation. it's not stain on the back of the piece of wood. I only used a toothpick to apply it with. very small area. hopefully you won't add that it is stain from the already troubled piece of evidence, or that Kenny also stained the cabinets. see photo.... Jo, I believe smoke99 posted that pic.... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

Wasn't Anderson part of the sled re-creation? Not sure if he's alive today, but this is him from {a pic posted on) Father's Day 2012. Hominid posted the pic of the crew of the recreation with there names on them. I forgot to keep that one. about a week or so ago..... "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI