jaybird18c

I'm not saying that at all. Morality doesn't flow from religious practice. It flows from God. And I never meant to imply that secular people can't have morality. God's "Common Grace" applies to all.

- Matter - Energy - Information - Conscience Interesting. Dr. Ravi Zacharias addressed this in his book “The End of Reason.” Secularization – The process by which religious ideas, institutions, and interpretations have lost their social significance. When this happens, a cultural inversion takes place. When secularization has had its full course, it will ultimately destroy a sense of shame within a culture. You take shame away from a highly educated person and you’ve got a monster in the making. “I want to raise a generation of young people devoid of a conscious, imperious, relentless, and cruel.” - Adolph Hitler The danger with this kind of world, “Not with intent but with logical outworking,” is that it will produce a generation of men and women without shame. The tragedy of that is a production of hell. Jesus never needed anyone’s “acceptance.” You need his. You don’t go to hell for not accepting Jesus. You go to hell for unrepentant lying, steeling, committing adultery, blaspheming, murder, dishonoring your parents, coveting, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB-BkBGgNto “I believe in Christianity in the same way as I believe that the sun has risen. Not because I see it, but that by it, I see everything else.” – C.S. Lewis QuoteYou have told a bald faced lie and you are not man enough to admit it. Not that it matters..... I believe it was you whom I asked much earlier if you were intentionally just being an ass. I didn't call you one. I just asked the question. I received a "1st warning" from billvon. However, accusing me of telling "a bald faced lie" and not being "man enough to admit it" seems like a direct personal attack to me. Do the rules here apply to all?

Joe, No amount of evidence would ever satisfy you.

"Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord." (1 Corinthians 1:31)

"And yet, it moves." This "Rock" doesn't move.

I can't remember who said this but I thought it interesting. It went something like "Society celebrates the search for truth." (Oprah with her Universalism, Richard Gere and his Buddhism, Tom Cruise with Scientology, etc.) However, "It stands ready to crucify anyone who says they've found it."

Yet, even so, you were smart enough to get the point I was trying to make. Bravo gowlerk! Bravo!!

What Ron said x 2! Except that it does bother me in that I know the tragic outcome. And it is, as you said in your last sentence, the Christian's personal responsibility/investment of sharing/explaining. But it is just that. None of us can reason someone into conviction. Especially when, from the standard of reason (e.g. God), they are unreasonsble. But, you know, it's their choice.

Most people are like frogs in a pot of water with the temperature slowly being increased till they die.

Tell you what. I do get frustrated from time to time. I appologize. It's not my intention to castigate and ridicule. Believe what you want.

Not at all. He predestined to save some. Ok... I'll dumb it down even further for you... the operative part is "he predestined". This is in direct opposition to your statements that God has foreknowledge but does not foreordain. Foreordination is predestination. Well, I do if god made me with a nature that would lead to that. But if god decided I was not to be saved, he'd have made me with that nature instead. So if I've got the nature god decided he wanted me to have, I'm following the path god decided he wanted me to follow, and I'll either be saved or not depending on what god wanted my destiny to be. According to what you're saying, I don't have the opportunity to change that, I'm just floating along the path that has already been set. The point is you are trying to tell us that our actions are not predestined by god, and you've just posted a bible quote that says they are. http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/index.html?body=/documents/wcf_with_proofs/ch_III.html

Not at all. He predestined to save some. It doesn't apply to all. The cool thing is, even you have the opportunity to repent and believe. But the point is, with regard to predestination, that no one would have unless God acted on our behalf.

Happy Easter! This is the most biblically accurate gospel explanation I have ever heard. By Paul David Washer. https://youtu.be/TXOWyjB7d24

God always knew what the result would be. ",even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved." (Ephesians 1:4-6) The repair process for the mirror begins when we humble ourselves in repentance and faith (sanctification). However, the process is not complete until the end (glorification).

That's an interesting quote. It begs the question as to which side is really insane. Belief or non-belief. The Delusion of Atheism https://youtu.be/HaQpENJLx-I

God did not create man to sin. He created him to be in relationship with himself. However, sin entered the world through man. Man chose to sin. God knew it would occur. God allowed it to occur for reasons mentioned before. Sin has had a ripple effect throughout time affecting all who follow. The nature of man is corrupted from what it was originally. That sin nature is passed along to us. Apart from God, all of us would freely choose to reject him and go our own ways the result of which has also already been discussed. However, God chose not to leave us to ourselves. God could have chosen other ways but he chose this one. God made you in his own image. It's like looking into a mirror. However, one which is warped by sin, brought about by man, not God, making the reflection distorted.

God does not control you. You weren't created to sin and he does not cause you to sin. Just because he knows what you will does not remove your choice or responsibility.

But you're not God and, therefore, omniscient.

God created for his own glory and for our good and he did know man would fall.

God is both fair and just. (Romans 1: 19-20) "For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

God is in fact omniscient. He also knows the nature of man perfectly. He knows what man will choose before he does so. Because God knows what man will choose does not mean that he controls what he will do. The fallen nature of man ensures that he will choose that which is in opposition to the will of God. He will always choose that which is consistent with his nature. But it's still his free choice even if it is predictable. It's just that he would never choose differently unless his very nature were changed. That is exactly what occurs when the spirit of a man is regenerated. The Bible describes it as becoming a new creature in Christ with new desires. That person is now free to choose that which is consistent with his new nature. That which is consistent with the will of God. Charles Spurgeon used an analogy. He said that pigs in a barnyard get up every day and go to the trough full of slop to eat. You could place a gourmet meal on a platter on the other side of the barnyard but they will consistently choose the slop. They'll even roll around in it. It's predictable. They're pigs. They do what pigs do. Now if the nature of that pig could be transformed into that of a man, he might get still get up and go to the slop trough. However, this time he'll realize something is wrong. His new nature would change his inclinations. Whether a pig or a man, however, free will is exercised.

Perhaps he attempted to address the paradox, but he certainly failed to resolve it. It's honestly what made it make sense to me. I don't see the paradox. Seriously.

My evidence comment was in reference to the accuracy and trustworthiness of the Bible. There's plenty evidence for the existence of God also. However, I'm quite certain you don't agree with any of that either.

You think the problem with your arguments are that they're not dumb enough? That's pretty special, bro Yeah exactly, it's an old fashioned girls name. Educate yourself and broaden your horizons. http://www.name-doctor.com/name-loraine-meaning-of-loraine-11903.html