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What I meant as pegging it to income is: your income in the end is what's going to enable you to persue your dreams. I didn't mean it to say chase income; I meant it to say you need it and you should use that metric to figure out if you can afford that house (in reference to Darius's post). _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

If you peg the American dream on a job description rather than income, of course you will fail. Like i said, research. If you want the american dream, you are going to have to research trends. Things that were important then are not so important now. That Sixties job isn't going to pull that much income because the Sixties are over along with it's needs. That same level job may now be able to be outsourced or is considered unskilled labor. You are supposed to earn the American Dream; not have it given to you. Don't rely on the Labor market to provide for you. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

How does this affect upward mobility? If this is true, all walks of life within the same horizontal slice of salary would have an equal amount of struggle relatively speaking. This would make the statement moot. It didn't seem to slow down the successful. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Actually, it's still there. The nature of the work has changed. You can't expect to live the "dream" without some sort of research. Example. . .Looking back, all the auto industry jobs that middle class workers enjoyed was due to the fact that everybody bombed the hell out of major european and asian industry complexes. It created a short-lived era of middle class comfort in the "hard-work" areas. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

I was hoping you had! Any one got any pictures? Look I found out last month the "average" size of the "average" girl is 14. So what I consider hot and average and what hot and average are in this new reality usually won't match up. I would like to blame Opera and her war cry for the BBW. Of course the average size is 14, the baby boomers are getting older. A good portion of the female population are over 50 and skew the average. Women in their twenties and thirties are still mostly thinnish and medium. I think the commercials are trying to curb a new aging market segment. They are, after all, starting to become one of the largest groups. I do not believe this means that what people define as attractiveness has shifted with the sizing up of the U. S. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Most of those communications requires sattelite and submarine cables (carribean island comms). I will admit that I am not positive on the ratio of Govt vs. private launch vehicles for sattelites, but I am making an assumption that most of the junk up there is govt owned and nearly all launches was done by the Govt. Also, huge amounts of info about the weather is received from the govt. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

It would probably be a lot less if the government wasn't tracking the route of the hurricane in the first place. The govt protected those 92% from being surprised. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

We all did. We may very well represent something they percieve they can never have. We are paid more attention due to what we do. We steal their thunder. Okay, they don't have anything that resembles "thunder" but that's their fault, not ours but they have license to believe. They probably fustratingly wonder why the military is looked at differently than what they do. Funny thing is, most of us don't consider ourselves at a higher status. I'm very uncomfortable being put in the spotlight for doing what I do. The shit-talking is because we love our jobs. Kind of reminds me of my years in college. There were these anti fraternity groups that hated everything that represented a social organization. I back then in my naievity, called them out as jealous anti-social underachievers, but now I realize it's about how they really think of themselves and thier inner confidence or something to that effect. Any group that makes them reflect in on themselves and see things they don't like will automatically be considered a threat and they will "hate" on. You can't be "better" without insulting them. There's nothing you can do. But you should not be pissed off at them for what they say. You should be feeling sorry for them. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

That just means the average woman in the US is obese. Just came back from Switserland a couple of weeks ago, after not having been in Europe for a couple of years. Had totally forgotten that what we call skinny in North America is considered fat in Europe. True. The Baby Boomers are getting in their Sixties here. They skew the average due to the huge numbers. The increase of "average" does not reset the bar. It just means that the size 2 to 6 is more higher coveted. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

This is generally not my genera of interest in fiction. Even the subject doesn't grab me. But my opinion in the matter here is unimportant and shouldn't be taken with seriousness due to stated facts. But I hope you will take what I say next is something to consider: This is a unique story with a unique concept. Do this right, you will "cult". I believe that you will grab more audience with: Let the characters' conversation, actions and thoughts narrate. The Aurthor (you) will have to keep credibility, but not the characters. Let them make the mistakes Narrate as little as possible. Don't forget the characters mentioned. Keep them busy (actionable in the background) or you will confuse the reader when you "put them to work" later, or worse, the audience will forget they exist. Never forget the "extras". Pick your audience. Kallends, Billvons, Champus are rare, but Nanooks are very common and represent the largest slice. Write to our dumb-asses. You will attract more. I'm overall impressed. But remember, you have to market this idea. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Don't need to have an alternate explaination. Sometimes the simplest explaination is best. It's there. You claim its vigilantism by definition of blacks law. I claim it isn't. No 8th Amendment rights have been denied. I claim a win/win scenario happened here. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Your quote: You assumed first. vitilantism is a crime. That's a big assumption. You don't know the guy. VERY wrong assumption here. . . Putting words in the Post commander's mouth. Assumption. ect. ect. Lots of assumptions on your part here. You started the assumption game. We can react with assumption games because our position was initally strong and didn't bear the requirement of backing it up since we didn't make a claim against it. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

You both say something illegal happened. It is up to you guys to give some sort of evidence that it happened, not me. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

nope. Can you really tell me exactly, footstep for footstep how the two parties talked, the way they talked, the medium they used to talk, the way they came to the concusion, who was present during that time and the actual transcripts of the communication? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

To conclude that the police tuned a blind eye is faulty logic. It appeals to your argument, not known facts. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

That's not a logical conclusion. BTW, did you learn what circular logic means, yet? The newspaper reports said that the police were very aware of this. Logical conclusions and fallacies of argument are philosophical and academically sterile positions used for purposes of arguments and debates happening on paper and role-playing scenarios and theories. They do not apply to real life applications. We are not arguing a paper or a theory here; we are arguing a true event. When arguing across these planes, these fallacies cannot be used to discount an argument. What happened happened and no law was broken. No amount of claims of fallacies on your side will ever be applicable. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

That simply doesn't make sense. Putting a "cop blur" on a face and disguising a voice is trivial and it makes for a MUCH better story for the perp to confess on air. So, I doubt newsworthiness is an issue. Laziness maybe. Are you seeing another news show than the one originally posted? There is no disguising of any voice. The whole video of the guy taped up is a photo, not actual footage by the news team. It doesn't mean that they didn't interview him personally for his side of the story. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

That would be coercion. It would make this act illegal. If that happened. Or. . if there was an attorney involved, or the reporter found the other party's side of the story lacking in newsworthiness. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Exactly. this as definition, is illegal. What happened in the news report wasn't. Punishing, as in this definition, a suspected criminal outside the courts is wrong. The "punish" in the news report is a word thrown around by sensationalistic news reporter and an old guy who used the verb to describe the agreement both parties agreed to. Nothing illegal happened here. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Did you watch the video? The post commander didn't catch the vandal in the act and stop him. He tracked him down days later to punish him, without police or the court system. That is vigilanteism. No it isn't. What law did he break? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Are you saying he was a vigilante here? He isn't one till he actually breaks a law in his course of action. My wife recently confronted a guy trying to steal a cooler out of the back of my truck. She politely told him to leave it alone. Did her action deem her a vigilante? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

This seems to restrict an action that would affect interstate commerce rather than force an action to protect commerce. Is there something that exists that prevents a law to be applied from being read inversely? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

Yup. Look at the guys who ask dating questions in the Women's forum. Fearlessness does not cross all planes. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

This is not interpretation, this is what deterrence is. We are not talking about Cold War deterrence and nuclear threat. That's something else entirely and is nothing I ever referenced here. Yes it has. Intelligence is a part of deterrence. It can't work without it. Deterrence is the protection of U.S. citizens and our country. I distinguish civilians and military because one protects the other. Sorry. That's how it is. You can't group them together just to try to get an upper hand of a debate you don't comprehend. _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln

I agree with what you quote others had said, but in a more correct statement: lots of spending enables better deterrence. It's not the "more money", it's the more process. That costs the money. Deterrence is the act of denying an opponent the ability to make a tactical or strategic decision without considering a great tactical or strategic loss of position, assets, face or goals when implementing said decision. To make it easy, let's use Safety as an example. In the skydiving community, we have an ST&A at every dropzone to have a strategic decision on all things safe regarding skydiving. But it doesn't stop there. You also have a community of responsibility ingrained in the sport to watch out for one another in unsafe actions. So safety (deterrence) exists in all levels within the sport, just like in the military. Safety doesn't work all the time. People still die. But I promise you that the belief in the community of practice regarding safety and strategic leadership by the ST&A prevents more deaths. Deterrence is any Country's given safety. I believe you think that deterrence is not a requirement due to the fact that most countries in general, want to be left to do thier own things and will leave us alone if we do. This is not a true statement at all. This is a product of homogenous thinking that comes from a single line of thought that doesn't account for the fact that every culture is so different in wants, needs, desires, requirements and fears that it creates a turbulent and highly unpredictable ability to guess what the other's reactions mean or represent. Socialistic ideas may exist inter-country, but outside, country to country, there are no friends; just "political interests". Talk is not cheap in some countries. Breaking points are different per country. History has shown that people do not get along. Even allies go after each other from time to time. Deterrence is money well spent because it causes more diplomatic meetings, more resizing of an opponent, maybe more importantly, less hasty decisions. With your terrorists, deterrence takes a different form altogether. It's more denial and tactical in nature. It is also dependent on how much process, training, and equipment is needed to be effective; which is positively correlated to the amount of money needed. We have been fighting terrorism significantly throughout most of the Seventies and Eighties with some cash. The eighties was called the "violent peace". Remember that time? Things changed with 9/11. There's more money and more capability now. Exactly, in Afghanistan. Not USA, Not Indonesia, Not Spain, less plots discovered in developed countries. No other attacks except against military troops in a warzone. How many terrorist avoiding civilians in the US were killed by terrorists in the last several years? _____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln