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Hey, I know there are many boondock fans on this board. Sound off, I've got a question. Veritas, Aequitas (Truth and Equality/Justice) See attached pic. I do not recall. What was tatooed on the fathers hand and what does it mean? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

and (lug): Agreed, however we are not currently discussing how one determines when to deploy. We are currently discussing how one may determine they are low enough that they should pull the reserve immediately. I think my third audible tone is one indication that I should do just this.. Of course, any sign that I was at 1500' and still hummin' would do the trick. It's been asked though, "How do you train to do this?" I don't say "Pull when you hear the beep" per say, rather: "If you hear the beep, pull silver" My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Perhaps that's the answer to actually physically preparing yourself? Use that audible tone as a training aid? I have my last audible warning set at 1500 feet too. My idea is that if I hear the flatline, I'm pulling the rip chord... be that whether I'm burning in under a fast mal (stoo-pid)... or still in freefall (also stoo-pid). I hadn't actually thought of it until I read your post. But each time I hear someone testing their ditters (you know how to test the three tones right?) I always find myslef doing the mimmick reserve pull at the third tone. I actually do have it embeded in the brain that that tone means "Pull the Silver handle" My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Yeah, I've seen it. It makes me laugh each time though. lol My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Bwahahaa! Thanks for the laugh girl My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Thanks for the tips. I certainly love my Sammy! I'll not become complacent with it Edit: Hey! I've always loved your Avatar btw. I'm watching Ninja tonight with some friends too! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Sorry to hear you got hurt. Hope you heal fast friend. I've not seriously injured myself skydiving but I did sprain my wrist and thumb as well as bruise the bones in one hand due to a poor landing decision. I had to wear a brace for a few weeks (read: a very short 6-8 weeks lol) When people asked, I said: "I fell down" Hey. It's the truth ain't it? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Emphasis mine. What's I've higlighted was the culprit for me saying "longer recovery arc"... I get it though. Yeah Yeah Yeah!! And more importantly, after your weight has re-centered, you are capable of stopping the dive with input. What was I trying to sell my friend on is that you can get out of the dive sooner if you need to. That's just not true on these boards. Not true at all. Peeps have got: "With your jump numbers, you shouldn't even be concerned with....x" programmed as hot keys in here. But whatever, it's safer that way anyhow. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Thanks man. Firstly though, I don't feel I was beeing flammed at all. My request was not very clear and it very well could have been me asking how to get more swoop. The first response I got, including the disclaimer, I feal was a good one. Having said that, I agree that what you're refering to happens a lot. This sport is comprised of Skygods and Newbies and nothing in between. However, I'd rather see the newbies get flammed and keep coming back... then simply having their "How do I kill myself harder" questions answered by people that don't know the first thing about them... And then read about the results in the incidents forum. Oh yeah, and to 'quote' somebody, you would click "quote" instead of "reply"... their text will appear in the text box you type in. You can also just be typing a reply and type something they said with the {reply} symbole in front of it and the {\reply} symbol after. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Because you are fully committed as soon as you do it and your bail options are severly limited. But that's precisely precisely what I'm saying! My quote: I think I understand what's going on now. It's my misuse of the term "recovery arc". Whip a turn with toggles or come in hot on risers... All those of you saying the recovery arc is the same are absolutely right... But I'm sitting here saying "NO! It's much shorter using fronts!!!" only because I'm neglecting the 'natural' part of 'natural recovery arc' The canopy that was turned using risers can be coaxed out of the dive much faster and easier by the pilot but it requires input. I suppose my argument should then morph to: "It's easier to f*ck with the natural recovery arc of a given canopy if the turn was initiated using risers." or "Use a toggle turn and your commited to a dive for a longer period of time before you've built up enough speed that an input can get you out." or simply "It's harder to dig out of the corner when you've whipped a toggle to get there as oppose to using fronts." Am I making my concerns a little more clear? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Couple of my favorites. First one is of my 100th jump. It was a 15 way tracking dive. The shot was taken by Francis B. Jackson. His website: Dare to be Real Second one was shot by Brian Buckland. I think the colors are bomb! Brians page: FreekFly Third is just pretty cool lookin'... It's me... but it's a television shot with a digital camera... give a real 'spaceman' effect to it huh? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

That helps a lot. And thanks for the PMs too people. Have a feeling I should have described my landings for all to see beforehand. As far as my landings go, I'm currently doing a 180 front riser carve initiated at about 400ft. from a small amount of breaks on a Samurai 136 loaded at about 1.2 to 1. Though the canopy is diving the entire time, I feel I can control the steepness of the dive when I've got a riser in each hand. I also realise that if I ever had to "Ooops! Better not continue this turn!" and take an out, I've got the full range of my breaks to flaire with(read: 'dig' in this case) So then, new question: ... Just why is toggle whipping a bad thing again? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

My friend that's the point. Tear my theory apart piece by piece if need be. That's why I posted it. Yes and no. The purpose of this thread is not for me to obtain tips on building more speed nor creating a longer recovery arc. I told a friend that he commits himself to diving for a longer period of time when he whips a toggle then when he turns using a riser. He disagrees. So one of us is wrong. So one of us stands to learn something. Well you're talking to the right guy about keeping an open mind. However, at this point in your reply, I truly think I haven't explained well enough, what it is I'm asking. I realise that pro swoopers are using risers because they can keep it diving longer and they can build up more speed... but can they not also "dig out of the corner" much easier and quicker if the turn was initiated with risers as opposed to toggles? It's the commitment to the dive that worries me. I state that if you whip a toggle, creating say a 90 turn, there is a certain amount time it takes before you are back under your canopy. I beleive that all things remaining the same, but I whip a 90 turn with a riser instead, it will take less time before I'm back under canopy.... There is no argument that if you want to continue diving, it can be done. Take the example up high... we're not landing... just turning... now you don't have to feel guilty about making a newbies landings more dangerous. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Hello all, Hoping you can help settle a small (but important) debate I'm having about landings. Particularily about altitude lost and the recovery arch of a canopy using riser turns versus toggles. My position is that there is a greater loss of altitude when using toggles because there is a longer recovery arch. My position is that when you hook it using a toggle, you commit yourself to the dive for a longer period of time. You've deformed the canopy to make it turn. It turns because one side is slowed and the other is allowed to crank around it... In terms of loading, you are no longer directly 'under' the canopy but more so than during a riser hook. -It turns -It dives -You catch up to the turn -You swing out to get under the canopy. My position with the risers is that you've made less commitment to a dive. The turn is initiated by banking the canopy (it is not deformed). You still need to 'swing' to get under the canopy -in terms of even loading- after it has started to dive but the need to 'catch up' to the turn created is lessend as the turn was 'cleaner'?.. There was no abrubt unloading of one side.. like relative to the other? -It turns and dives at the same time -You swing out to get under it. His position is that there is no difference in the recovery arch either way . And that the coversation is to 'Physical' (No, I mean about physics sillies.. we're not hitting each other ) I just don't think I can word it right... like, read what I've typed man! It's got me scratchin' my own head. Anyhoo, any input may help... particularily if it isin't too hard to understand. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

January in Costa huh? ... Now I'm reconsidering the January in Florida I was considering... Hmmm My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

No they aren't! Zulu you fool! ... Call her. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

No sh*t. Funny funny man Adam. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Disclaimer: I feel near-guilt for sharing this with you... A very dangerous tactic, it is... Use this only if you be speaking true but if you've not in fact 'tried everything', then I suggest you leave this well-alone until you have... 1)Next time you're on the phone, start talking about the hot sex you had with the stranger you picked up at the bar you got smammered at last night ... 2)Then say something like: "Oops, I can't really talk right now... I didn't realise it but... er... [put phone on your shoulder at this point and shout: "Hey! What's your name?"]... Frank is still here... what a terrible host I'm being." Ahhh, my heart aches just thinking about it. When you do try this, beware! Be sure not to fall weak to the dark side. Female treachery as a habbit comes easily... but dies hard. Bwahaaa! Good luck! [under breath] poor guy [\under breath] My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

And here's the summertime Me. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Hey! Me Too! But only in the winter time. (me on the left) My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

If they insist on opening the reserve, just say "I'd better do that for you, just help me by holding it...yeah just like that with the circle (pop-top) in front of your face." lol My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Hmmmmm. Actually friend, wind blows. bwaha! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Uhhh, Ivan? Most Guys wouldn't be happy with just one shoe either you know. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Actually, the newest generation of Fast and Furious wannabe street-racers contains quite a few women compared to past years. It's noteable to us in the insurance industry how many of the souped-up cars are actually being drag-raced by young girls in the streets today. Haha, like the bikini-wearing-hair-flipping-giggling-"do you come with the car"-Car show girls are starting to get behind the wheel and levelling the playing field a bit. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

Oh yeah, and in that case. My tip: Ladies... AstroGlide! Keep it in the purse at all times. You'll thank me the very next time you're playing in the stairs or in the mailroom, or in a tree at the golf course. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!