Zenister

agreed. People who's lives revolve around High School Glory (or lack of) have some serious underlying issues... High School is simply a way of marking time until you can get on with your actual life... I cant imagine any reason i would ever waste my time to go to a High School reunion.. either i still talk to you because you were a close friend then or i simply dont care what happened to you after that... although it was quite fun to hit on & pick up some of the snobbish chicks after life had slapped them in the face a few times.. in one instance i sat in a Bar and flirted with a girl while she worked for several hours before going home with her... she didnt connect me (post college, then in the Military) with me (high school, long haired Metal Head) until the next morning... strangely enough we are pretty good friends now... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

ok then.. how about you provide Evidence that ANY of the Authors (and you cant prove Authorship of your TEXTS either) mentioned WERE ACTUALLY Witnesses? Cant do that? How about evidence (same objective standard applies) that the stories were even DICTATED by anyone who was actually there.. (some 115 years later by the MOST GENEROUS estimations) you still dont get it.. Just because someone writes something down, DOES NOT MAKE IT FACTUAL. Particularly when there is an obvious agenda involved. If you cannot admit that Early Christians DID HAVE A CLEAR AGENDA then i'm done discussing this with you. You've illustrated the online equivalent of "nah nah nah i cant hear you..." and honestly, as youve shown your self to be more educated and mature than that, it is rather disappointing. what part of BIAS dont you understand? Such obvious BIAS calls ALL CLAIMS into question, but you STILL chose to Believe.. and that is your fundamental failure. Do you also believe in UFO abductions? they have the same veracity.. and some of them you can actually interview if you wish... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2007-01-17T175700Z_01_N17314370_RTRUKOC_0_US-DOOMSDAY-CLOCK.xml&src=011707_1639_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters can never resist an opportunity to quote Iron Maiden... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Sobriety? because its just not that much fun... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

http://www.uwire.com/content//topnews050405003.html the Hoya BN is apparently composed of the ROTC programs from 3 schools.. so as you can see participation by students of ANY political stripe is rather low... and yes i will continue to 'bash' those who advocate war without SERVING at all. It is hypocrisy of the highest order.. in fact i'd be very willing to amend the constitution (ala R.Hienlein) to disallow those who have NEVER served any vote or role in Government at all..you should REALLY have put YOUR ass on the line before you ask the same of anyone else.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

already answered.. Please provide evidence they were EVER ordered to do as your text claims... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

and you DISbelieve without knowing anything for certain. I look at the evidence and deem it as beyond a reasonable doubt. i know for certain that nothing in your Text can be verified by a third party source. It is a wonderful story, but as Evidence of the Events it describes it is no more reliable than any other written work. (ie not at all unless backed by OBJECTIVE sources) and please please NEVER EVER EVER serve on a jury... in fact when you are being interviewed make absolutely certain you tell the lawyer that you accept the Bible as proof of God and the Divinity of Jesus BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT, so they can exclude you as a 'reasonable' person when someones life and liberty may be at stake. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Nah, not difficult at all... in spite of the Romans' committment to keep the body of Christ from "disappearing." OK, I'll take that as an answer. Matthew's testimony: 27:57-66 The Burial of Jesus 57 As evening approached, Joseph, a rich man from Arimathea who had become a follower of Jesus, 58 went to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body. And Pilate issued an order to release it to him. 59 Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a long sheet of clean linen cloth. 60 He placed it in his own new tomb, which had been carved out of the rock. Then he rolled a great stone across the entrance and left. 61 Both Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting across from the tomb and watching. The Guard at the Tomb 62 The next day, on the Sabbath, the leading priests and Pharisees went to see Pilate. 63 They told him, “Sir, we remember what that deceiver once said while he was still alive: ‘After three days I will rise from the dead.’ 64 So we request that you seal the tomb until the third day. This will prevent his disciples from coming and stealing his body and then telling everyone he was raised from the dead! If that happens, we’ll be worse off than we were at first.” 65 Pilate replied, “Take guards and secure it the best you can.” 66 So they sealed the tomb and posted guards to protect it. ofc since they paid it so much attention (per your document) they certainly would have some record of said order? Who exactly observed and recorded the Orders of Pilate that were then relayed to your 'eyewitnesses' who created your text? you still dont get YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING that is credible as 'eyewitness' testimony to ANY of the Events you believe as true.. You have a STORY about them.. that is all.. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

only that you recognize that what you and Paj and the other Xtians in this thread name as 'proof' or 'evidence' fails to meet every objective standard available. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

depending on timing and location, downed UAV's are treated with the same seriousness as a downed pilot, if only so the sensor package isnt captured.. ofc you can use explosives to prevent that as well, something a Live pilot wouldnt appreciate very much ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

very common in the software industry actually. mostly i surf during lunch or while waiting for some other task to complete, so no as long as i am continually productive and get my tasks done no one bugs me about what i'm doing in the moments of 'idle' time. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

there is a VERY simple solution.. DO NOT abbreviate on important instructions. Train/Force Doctors to WRITE OUT the instructions. I mean come on someones life IS AT STAKE... oh wait.. that might take an extra 2 min of time and makes to much sense... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

the rest of your post has been well answered by others already so i wont repeat. I have no inherent 'disbelief'. As with ANY Text, or Religion, i approach it with an open mind to see what is there, what is claimed and what can be reconciled with Reality (as humans currently understand it).. Your belief creates 'evidence' (for you) that is Simply NOT THERE if you do not believe. Your TEXT (and the Religion founded on it) makes clearly astounding claims, but fails utterly to back them up when examined OBJECTIVELY. ofc it (should) go with out saying that the burden of proof lies with those who MAKE such extraordinary claims, not with those who say "Really? that doesn't match any Reasonable Objective Standard of Evidence or Proof" ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

internal reliablity from CLEARLY BIASED SOURCES is not evidence please provide PROOF that any of the documents you claim as 'true' were EVEN DICTATED (ie passed down orally prior to being recorded) by an 'eyewitness' to said events. Archeology backs up the CULTURE and CONDITIONS, not the EVENTS or the PEOPLE. I'm not creating a strawman, please read for comprehension. The Believers I referred to are the CREATORS of the documents you hold in such high regard, as such they (the original writer of the source documents, as well as every subsequent copy (also made by BELIEVERS) that cannot be compared to an original are suspect from the start and in NO WAY OBJECTIVE or Proof or Evidence Your Belief clouds your Perception. The entire reason for bringing up other religions is to show you how ludicrous what Christian's blithely accept as 'evidence' is when viewed without Belief. What you accept as "Evidence" is laughable and falls apart without your Belief to sustain it. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

scary.. no way i would accept being a best man for anyone i didnt know nearly everything about... seems sad that a WORK mate would ask anyone.... i respect my work mates, but if we dont socialize outside of work i wouldnt really use the word 'friend' to describe our 'relationship' and a certainly wouldnt ask or accept such an important role... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Definitely Maiden (Copying Derek Riggs work was some of my first 'real' artistic efforts as a kid.) Molly Hatchet gets credit for reusing Frank Frazetta, but i was never really a fan... No Place is Boris, as well as one of my favorite Metal Albums (still Troy Gregory is SUCH a better bass player than Newstead..) this Scorpions Album my mother REALLY hated

actually the abnormal weather is thought to be an effect of global warming.. minor temperature differences over a period of time have a HUGE effect on regional climate. I know your joking but it is surprising how many people think that 'global warming' means increased temperatures EVERYWHERE... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

neither.. it is a crutch for those who need emotional/social support. and a security blanket for those who are afraid of what goes bump in the night... how it is USED is a problem, as a tool to manipulate the unthinking masses ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Not yet. He is so holy, you'd die if you looked directly at Him. nice dodge... cant prove it? Claim it would kill you if you saw it. Works on bronze age tribesmen who tell tales around the fire.. not so effective for modern man.. yaaaawwn No one who has seen the FSM lives to tell the tale, as they are consumed by his noodlly appendage... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you should really study more textual criticism you've got more than a few misconceptions. in addition the validity of the bronze age version of 'kinko's' says NOTHING about the 'truth' of the 'original' text or its author's; identity, actual participation in the 'events' as recorded or his intentions in creating the 'original' document. You still must take on Faith that what is written reflects some actual event.. which is EXACTLY Kallend point that went flying by you so many posts back... you know NOTHING for certain about any of your TEXTS but you believe implicitly that they are what they claim to be... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

very true.. we can prove that (deluded as he was) Marshall Applewhite actually existed. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

what possibly leads you to think a group of BELIEVERS are in any way objective? would you accept the authenticity of such documents from a religion not your own? how about if said documents COMPLETELY REFUTED your personal belief? ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

I thnk that is the thing that hurts me more than anything else as it does other vets... for those of us who raised our hands and swore to defend the constitution... it hurts to see those that certainly do not hold that document in very high esteem... do so much to undermine it. indeed. never mistake the lack of support for a ill conceived mission by ignorant, unbloodied leadership, for a lack of support for the common soldier who is left holding the responsibility for its execution. Soldiers follow orders, Politicians give them. The two rarely exist in the same universe. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

you have YET to provide 'proof' or OBJECTIVE 'evidence testimony of a believer MAY qualify as evidence (flimsy though it be) however it is as FAR FROM OBJECTIVE as is possible. you still fail to recognize all you have is a TEXT and one compiled from CLEARLY BIASED SOURCES. your entire argument falls apart from the beginning.. only your BELIEF sustains it in your mind and the mind of those of your Faith. ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.

Wooden Jesus (C.Cornell) Wooden jesus where are you from Korea or canada or maybe taiwan I didnt know it was the holy land But I believed from the minute The check left my hand, and I pray Can I be saved, I spent all my money On a future grave Wooden jesus Ill cut you in On twenty percent of my future sin Porcelain mary her majesties pure Looking for virgin territory Coat hanger halos dont come cheap From television shepherds with living room Sheep, and I pray Can I be saved, I spent all my money On a future grave Wooden jesus Ill cut you in On twenty percent of my future sin Your Savior (C.Cornell) People like you, I know myself Walk in the shoes of somebody else Whisper to me, my tragic fate Whisper to me, my tragic end But don't give me your savior People I choose, life on my own Burn me your fuse, throw me your stones Give me your brand, burn on my hand Whisper to me, my tragic end But don't give me your savior People I choose, I know myself Lay my need out, give you my help But you give me your blues And you whisper my fate But don't give me your savior ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.