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Yeah, I know that from first hand experience Amazon. In 1973 I jumped from a Cessna 180 that crashed and killed the pilot about 2 minutes after I exited. Nothing was wrong when I left the aircraft. I thought somehow the pilot might have survived and could be saved, so I threw my rig off and ran to the wreckage. I was the first to reach the the crash scene and what I saw was just awful. I still have nightmares about it decades later. One minute a friend is alive and well and a second later he is literally torn apart. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3010437 377 377, The fact that the seat belt was unfastened post-crash doesn't necessairly mean that it was unfastened pre-crash. I know of cases where the seat belts were known to have been fastened before but unfastened after the fatal crash. Somehow and in some manner, the seat belts became unfastened during the impact/rebound and other wild gyrations the structure went through during the break up process. I think the FAA was aware of this in the late 1950s or early 1960s. This may have been a problem with a specific type of belt. Such as the the one with the belt pulled through the buckle as opposed to the metal-to-metal belt buckles. I suspect that the Cessna had the first type of seat belt. The possibility that the pilot was attempting a deliberate snap roll at 30 feet or so is beyond comprehension. Snap rolls are essentially a violent spin in a horizontal direction and your friend had enough experience to know that. And under the given conditions, he had enough experience to know the expected outcome. I would suspect that there were other causes involved in this. Robert99

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him? Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar. So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three? Robert99 Fact: Geestman said that. Also a fact: Multiple witnesses who had not communicated with each other in many years put the two men together and missing. The best witness was Helen Jones, who also mentioned Kenny confirmed for her six weeks after the hijacking that the two men were together. Her daughter seconded this, saying yes...they were supposed to attend Thanksgiving dinner. Geestman's wife DID attend, and was highly pissed off. This was confirmed by Mrs. Geestman and Jones, as well as Jones' daughter. Jones and Geestman had not heard from each other for more than 15 years, yet both gave the same story. Fact: Bernie Geestman has lied, but usually those lies were in an effort to distance himself from any possible involvement in Kenny's spending, or the hijacking. I don't think he was lying. Had he known that Jones and his ex-wife had put he and Kenny together over that week, it's certain he would not have said he thought KC could be the hijacker. The Decoded cast and crew reported that Geestman was questioned for nearly three hours. He refused to answer where he was, the details on why he bought the trailer and wagon just before the hijacking, and virtually anything else. I think he finally just 'broke' a bit near the end and decided to try (again) to blame the hijacking on anyone else except HIM. Blevins, Just exactly what in everything you have written above actually connects ANYONE to D. B. Cooper? Robert99 I appreciate your question, but it's Sunday and I'm just not willing to go over the whole case against Christiansen again. Just ask yourself WHY Geestman would volunteer such a thing. You haven't believed any of the evidence or testimony from the start. Nothing I can say will change that, so let's just agree to disagree. I already know there are people who will never believe the testimony and the evidence. That's understandable. However, there are just as many who do. Until the Seattle FBI puts an end to it one way or another, the question on Christiansen is unsettled. No matter what you may have heard, they have never investigated him. *Sees pretty blonde singing something about football and NBC* Blevins, Let's assume for a minute that KC is still alive, that you accuse KC of being Cooper, that you cite Gesstman's behavior and remarks as being the basis of your claim, and that KC decides to sue you for slander. Assuming that a court would accept the case, would Gesstman even be allowed to testify in the case in your behalf since he has made conflicting statements and even you have publicly called him a liar in an effort to support your own claims about KC? And if KC's lawyer got you on the witness stand, he would eat you alive. Robert99

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him? Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar. So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three? Robert99 Fact: Geestman said that. Also a fact: Multiple witnesses who had not communicated with each other in many years put the two men together and missing. The best witness was Helen Jones, who also mentioned Kenny confirmed for her six weeks after the hijacking that the two men were together. Her daughter seconded this, saying yes...they were supposed to attend Thanksgiving dinner. Geestman's wife DID attend, and was highly pissed off. This was confirmed by Mrs. Geestman and Jones, as well as Jones' daughter. Jones and Geestman had not heard from each other for more than 15 years, yet both gave the same story. Fact: Bernie Geestman has lied, but usually those lies were in an effort to distance himself from any possible involvement in Kenny's spending, or the hijacking. I don't think he was lying. Had he known that Jones and his ex-wife had put he and Kenny together over that week, it's certain he would not have said he thought KC could be the hijacker. The Decoded cast and crew reported that Geestman was questioned for nearly three hours. He refused to answer where he was, the details on why he bought the trailer and wagon just before the hijacking, and virtually anything else. I think he finally just 'broke' a bit near the end and decided to try (again) to blame the hijacking on anyone else except HIM. Blevins, Just exactly what in everything you have written above actually connects ANYONE to D. B. Cooper? Robert99

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him? Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar. So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three? Robert99

Maybe I'm not conveying this correctly. Like anyone else with a story, there are things Marla knows and there are things she could not know. Some of the things she says are speculation on her part. I don't believe she could know where the jumper landed. But, just because she says things she may not know does not mean everything she says is speculation. Jo knows where Duane told her before he died. Marla knows what she saw when she was 8 and what her father told her. Blevins knows KC was unaccounted for at the time of the jump and had more money afterward. Most everything else about the suspects is speculation. Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper? Everything about either of these four suspects being connected to Cooper is speculation or a complete fabrication. Robert99

If Felix Baumgartner EXCEEDS the speed of sound, it will have to be at very high altitude, 80,000 feet or above. Below 80,000 feet, he will probably be decelerating. If he doesn't make it past Mach 1 at high altitude, he won't exceed it at all. The air blast, even at Mach 1, will not be a big factor. The heat rise at Mach 1 will be of little consequence. Baumgartner should not experience anything that others haven't already experienced during emergency ejections. Lockheed has stated that SR-71 crew members have ejected successfully at maximum speed and altitude using what is basically a standard ejection seat (not a capsule). The exact speed and altitude capabilities of the SR-71 have never been revealed. However, a speed of Mach 3.2 or 3.3 has been acknowledged and the SR-71 set one public record while flying level at 85,000 feet. In another case a pilot ejected from a high flying aircraft and had his parachute open above 50,000 feet. He apparently was in a climb during the ejection and the parachute accidently opened at the top of his arc. He lived to fly another day. The thing that would prevent Baumgartner from exceeding Mach 1 at a relatively low altitude is known as wave drag. Wave drag is also the reason no World War II era propeller aircraft could go supersonic. You may make it to Mach 0.999 but you are not going to get to Mach 1.000. Robert99

You told me quite a while back that the speed dives, at least the ones recognized by the speed diver association, had to be done from under about 20,000 feet. If you want to do a really high jump and feel the shock waves in your toes, you have to do it feet first. Otherwise, your feet will be inside the shock wave cone. Robert99

Jo, Is the above part of your Kentucky charm? I'll bet Duane loved you for your genteel qualities. Robert99

I just want to borrow all the gear... for a speed skydive... I still wanna feel that sonic boom on my toes. Amazon, If you put on all that bulky gear, you wouldn't set any speed records at the lower altitudes. If successful, Baumgartner will probably go supersonic at somewhere around 80 to 100 thousand feet. After that, it is just a matter of slowing down for the next 13 or 14 miles of the free fall. Control, or avoiding going into a horizontal spin, will probably be his biggest problem. In one of his first high altitude jumps, Kittinger got into a spin and passed out. His automatic opener paid for itself that day. Kittinger also used a drogue chute on some of the later jumps to help maintain control. Hopefully, Baumgartner also has one in case he needs it. The jump has now been rescheduled for Tuesday morning (October 9th) due to expected high winds on Monday. The winds must not be more than 2 MPH during the time the balloon is being filled. That means that if anyone sneezes within five miles of the balloon, they will have problems with it. But just think of all the improvements that have been made in parachutes, balloons, pressure suits, oxygen equipment, electronics, etc., in the 50 years since Kittinger made his jumps. Robert99

To change the subject to something that apparently has little to do with this web page, Felix Baumgartner is scheduled to go for his 120,000 foot jump early Monday morning (October 8th), weather permitting. It has been announced that this will be shown live. Apparently it is going to be streamed live on the Red Bull Stratos web page. Robert99

PRESENT your SUSPECT! The thread admitted in the majority Kenney was not Cooper. WHERE ARE your arguments that the suspect I present - WAS not Cooper? Jo, You need to start reading the thread yourself. So to use mostly your own words, keep reading. The thread has also admitted in the majority that Duane was not Cooper. So there is your argument that Duane was not Cooper straight out of your own mouth. Robert99

Sorry Farflung I so NOT fit the profile! Number one - I am known to THINK like a man and not a woman. NO, I was NOT trying to steer the post back to Cooper/Weber. YOU have NO idea what I am trying to do. I have not lied or told a story and right now I am just trying to tell the things I have held back on - it makes no difference if Duane was Cooper or not to any of you. I am just putting everything on the line and in public...I am not here for profit or attention like others.... For instance - Matt and someone else tells me about a site - that I can't find and Matt tells me Weber was NOT in the army yet I have the papers. I ask someone how I present the paper on the thread and they change the subject. Do you actually know what I want to do, but haven't figured out how to do this fiancially or physically? I want to go to Seattle and stay until the FBI hears me out and actually takes some of the things I have pointed out and explain to me - why I have caught them in SO MANY errors. The problem is my mind is so disorganized that when I am in front of someone - I forget everything I was going to say or do. (I was not even able to recite a poem standing up in class). I forget the things the FBI does not know - because they have NOT talked to me or read the thread....The FBI agent who came to see me did NOT know anything about Cooper. Then after all of these yrs - the FBI has been caught in misnomers that need to be explained and the only way to do that is in-person....but I would be my own worse representative....because I will go completely blank and my notes won't mean a thing to me. Because of how the FBI has treated me - I am afraid of them and yet angry at them for how they handled this case. I want the FBI to stand up and state EXACTLY why and prove HOW they have Cooper's DNA...did they test the ropes (why not). I also want to know how many DNA markers did they extract from the items I sent them and exactly what items this DNA was extracted from. This is important as some of those item had never been used. I want to know if they extracted any DNA from those items with the PKD markers - if there is actually such a thing. How are they SO sure they have Cooper's DNA. What was so unique about Cooper's DNA on that tie that they know it belonged to Cooper. I feel I deserve an explanation about the fingerprint situation and how the FBI handle that one. WHY did the FBI agent actually lie to me about Duane? That in itself is a loaded question. I can PROVE the agent lied and I want to know why. I can prove another agent was negligent in how he handled information and I want to know why. If we cannot trust law enforcement who can we trust? If it was mistakes - acknowledge those mistake and do NOT keep on making the same mistakes and allowing this to use up my life. IF they had PROOF Weber was NOT COOPER - why have they NOT sat down with me and told me exactly what they have that proves Weber could not be Cooper.... THEY screwed up ROYALLY with 2 different AGENTS on the prints. AND that ALONE says they NEVER invested in Weber as Cooper. I got one AGENT on Tape and I got the other on the THREAD. These mistakes indicated they did NOT seriously investigate Weber. Jo, No one, neither the FBI or anyone else, will EVER be able to prove to you that Duane was not Cooper. Even if Cooper's body was found in the brush near Vancouver/Portland with the rest of the money, you would still claim that Duane was Cooper. So stop trying to humor the rest of the people on this thread. Jo Weber is just another name for Closed Mind. Robert99

Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it? Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment. Robert99 I have always thought it was a pilots briefcase!! I think it's too big to be a pilot's case. Robert99

Blevins, Have you noticed that is a rather big "briefcase" and that it appears to have a "destination label" on it? Would you consider it possible that it is actually a small "suitcase" and that KC is just returning from a working trip for NWA? Maybe he dropped his purser's uniform off at a dry cleaners between SEA and his apartment. Robert99

Farflung, It is even worse than you say. Note that Blevins apparently doesn't have any shoes on, just his socks. Also note that both of his heels are very close to the door threshold. KC does have shoes on and is at least one-half step inside the door threshold. Those shoes should add about one-half inch to his height and would need to be substracted from his height for a direct comparison with Blevins. KC's distance inside the door would move him closer to the camera and give the appearance that he was taller. I'll leave the estimation of how much taller to others. But it is now almost certain that KC screwed up and gave the Department of Motor Vehicles something close to his real height, which is certainly going to be not more than 5 feet 8 inches. Robert99

Jo, If you are threatening to blow the lid off this thread then feel free to do so. The Cooper saga will continue for some time. The Duane Weber saga ended long ago, but you didn't notice. So let the FAT lady sing. Robert99

JO STATES: What do you have on your suspect? Robbie stated: JO STATES: Have I said ONE WORD about trying to get benefits? Robbie stated: JO STATES: DO you ACTUALLY READ the post you reply to? Jo, YOU need to read both your posts and the posts you are replying to. I did NOT say that you were trying to get any benefits from the Veterans Administration. You apparently do not understand that the Veterans Administration and the military services are completely different organizations. If a veteran does not make any claims with the Veterans Administration, then the VA may not have any paperwork on him. Since Duane's enlistment in the Army was fraudulent, and he was soon discovered and booted out of the Army, then there may be only very limited paperwork on him. And that paperwork would probably be at the military records facility in St. Louis, Missouri. It is probably a legal question if Duane was actually in the Army in the first place in view of his fraud. But don't blame the FBI, VA, Army, or any other governmental agency for a problem that Duane brought upon himself. Robert99

Jo, Speaking as someone who has done my fair share of paper shuffling in the military, after hearing the story about Duane's reportedly receiving an Undesirable Discharge (which precludes any further military service, except maybe in the local stockade) from the Navy, assuming he was in the Navy in the first place, and then enlisting in the Army and also receiving an Undesirable Discharge from that organization, assuming that he was in it in the first place, I am not at all surprised to hear that there are some irregularities in his military paperwork. I imagine that both the Army, Navy, and any other federal organization that had contact with Duane weber, would just like to forget that they had ever heard of him. Based on the information that you have provided, there is no expectation that Duane would be eligible for any benefits as a veteran, so the Veterans Administration would have absolutely minimal records on him, or maybe none at all. You are barking up the wrong tree when you try to get detailed military service records on Duane from the VA, assuming any exist in the first place. Robert99

Yes, you are a figment of your own mind. Everything you say is not real. History is a fabrication written to make you think you are in charge and everything is peachy keen. In fact, it is upside down and inside out. Bottom up, top down and moving faster and faster. Buy gold and store canned goods. Glenn Beck. Knoss, You are a figment of your own imagination. And your mention of Glenn Beck means that you are as nutty as him. But Beck makes a lot more money at being a screwball than you. So eat your heart out. Robert99

Okay, fine. So he graduated from high school, as if that makes him the hijacker or something. . . . . . BTW...back from Phoenix today. Had a great time. Kind of weird when you walk outside at pitch-black midnight and it's still 90 degrees though. . . . . . Phoenix negatives (compared to Seattle area): It's hotter than holy hell there. . . . . . Blevins, You are the one who made an issue of the high school graduation matter and were claiming that he didn't graduate. If 90 degrees at midnight was weird, what do you call 115+ degrees at midnight? Yes, I have been through that in Phoenix. By the way, summer ended in Phoenix about a month ago. If you want to experience a "warm" day (use of the word "hot" is apparently prohibited), try a day from late June to mid-July when there are no clouds, no frontal systems near, and the temperature is 105+ degrees at 9:00 AM. Then you can expect to have a "warm" afternoon. The above is based on my experiences in living in the Phoenix area for 19 years. Robert99

Jo, It is obvious that you already have ALL the answers to EVERYTHING. I guess that makes you a National Resource. So why can't you reveal one single piece of information that will connect Duane Weber to the hijacking? In the meantime, it is apparent that no one can tell you anything. Robert99

DO U want to bank your RETIREMENT on that? Probably NOT! The code is NOT baloney! It did exist and for what reason I do not know. WHY would someone even make-up such a code? U are absolutely a moron if you believe EVERY THING in Wikipedia! If you do then tell me who the author of the Weber article was? It is not accurate and I do NOT go there - the last time was maybe 5 yrs ago. Are they now making the authors authenticate their information? I doubt that! You are the one who made up the "code" so answer your own question. How the HELL do you think I made-up that code. NO I DID NOT! That is what I am asking you. How did you do it?

Blevins, I never cease to be amazed at how you can ignore information that contradicts your version of events. You are right up there with Jo Weber on this point. There are basically three things supporting KC's graduation from high school, and if you had bothered to read Smokin's recent posts on this matter you would be aware of the first two: 1. The program he signed up for six days before his scheduled graduation date of May 31, 1944 required that he be a high school graduate. This was a mandatory requirement. 2. When KC actually enlisted in the Army in December 1944 at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, his official records stated that he had one year of college. This strongly suggests that he had successfully completed the program that he signed up for on May 25, 1944, which again implies that he graduated from high school. 3. As I remember the senior year of high school, the seniors had completed all their requirements a week or more before the actual graduation date. After that, the only reason you wouldn't graduate would require something along the line of playing a really bad prank on the principal or one of his friends or other such nonsense. So unless you can prove otherwise, it is a very safe assumption that KC graduated from high school. Robert99

Only if you start with a closed mind. Let the money location speak for itself.

DO U want to bank your RETIREMENT on that? Probably NOT! The code is NOT baloney! It did exist and for what reason I do not know. WHY would someone even make-up such a code? U are absolutely a moron if you believe EVERY THING in Wikipedia! If you do then tell me who the author of the Weber article was? It is not accurate and I do NOT go there - the last time was maybe 5 yrs ago. Are they now making the authors authenticate their information? I doubt that! You are the one who made up the "code" so answer your own question.