Robert99

Right....that's why the list of bills issued to the NW banks, the Fed, and the casinos, was 34 pages of 10,000 non-sequential numbers. So the selection of bills given to the hijacker could be easily tracked and stuff. (*laughs*) You are kidding, right? Blevins, You should read Himmelsbach's book sometime. No kidding. Robert99

Blevins, It looks like you missed your calling. But a one time win doesn't mean that you will have another win in the next 10 years. Did you meet any nice people in one of the back rooms when your blackjack winnings started to spiral upwards for no apparent reason? Red Skelton, the late comic, once stated that he had a joke that could get a good laugh in Las Vegas but not even a chuckle elsewhere. The joke was as follows: Give me the money I told you not to give me! As for as your saying that the ransom money search would stop after a short period of time, there was a kidnapping, with the victim being killed immediately, a huge ransom being demanded and paid. The kidnapper was apprehended within a week by two civilian policemen. The kidnapper told the FBI that he had practically all of the ransom money with him when he was arrested by the civilian police. However, they claimed that he only had a small part of the ransom with him. The kidnapper was quickly tried and executed. At least one of the policemen was under FBI surveillance for the rest of his life. Some of the bills from the ransom were eventually passed at a travelling circus some distance from the place the kidnapper was arrested. My guess is that the FBI never stopped looking in this particular case. Blevins, You are aware that the bills in the Cooper ransom were not randomly selected aren't you? The bank clerks would not have to check every $20 bill that came their way. Robert99

Mark, You are absolutely correct. Even if you use a "system" and win the jackpot on the first try, you have NOT proven that the system works. And all those bright lights in Las Vegas were paid for by people who thought they were going to beat Vegas. Robert99

Paul, I have edited your post to remove extraneous material (at least as I see it). Please check the above to see if it correctly states your "system". Let's limit the discussion to a single state if possible, assuming your system doesn't require two states. As I understand it, you are talking about a game of chance that uses 50 (or 60) numbers that are all in play at the same time. Why do you need two decks of cards? Presumably blank index cards could fill the same function, correct? Why do you count them out in groups of 5 or 6? Are you referring to the number of cards drawn in each drawing? What do you do if the number of cards to be divided into equal(?) groups leaves you with some odd cards. That is, the available cards cannot be divided equally into the specified number of groups? If you can explain the above, let me know. The State of Arizona has a lottery game that uses 44 numbers and 6 are picked at each drawing, which is done twice each week. If you have a "system" that is "logical", and in all honesty I doubt it, then I am willing to give it a field test here in Arizona. Robert99

Mark, your questions above are completely valid and will be answered in due time. But at this specific moment, I must devote all my time to laying a foundation and smoothing the road ahead. Therefore, I will be concentrating on posting relative to the flight path data that is already released and to preparing for future discussions on that matter. Robert99

Jo, I think you have your posters confused. The remark that you are apparently objecting to was addressed to you and not another poster. Robert99

Jo, over the years you have called me the following and these are just the ones I can remember off hand: 1. A troll living under a bridge. 2. An ass. 3. A moron. 4. A phony. 5. A plant from the FBI to make sure the Cooper hijacking is never solved. Do you call the above rude? In any event, you are just blowing smoke. True or not, you don't know me well enough to claim that they are correct. Robert99

DUH! I had ALL of that but I have NO idea were to find it. Things where filed by my memory which now doesn't know what day it is till I look at the newspaper. I was given to me by I think the Corp of Engineers - I actually spoke to someone on the phone. I don't know what yr it was. It was pre 2004 and I believe pre 2001 because it was by telephone conversation. I made NOTE but I had no one to share them with. The FAZIO's used to have ALL of the readings - Try the archived newpapers. There is also a man who used to work the river but I don't know how to contact him anymore. A lot of the people I talked to over the yrs - have died or moved on. Go back to the posting of SAFECRACK - maybe they are there. Jo, you and a self-described "leading Cooper researcher" who posts on this thread are masters at trying to misdirect people. I am NOT going to spend a single second checking into the nonsense you have just posted. So don't even reply directly or indirectly to any post that I made here. In return, I won't bother to read yours. Robert99

Jo, just shut up and mind your own business! You and Blevins are the biggest drawbacks to resolving the Cooper hijacking that have come down the pike. Robert99

Flyjack, The Army Corps of Engineers make daily readings of the Columbia River heights, etc., at a point a few hundred feet east of I5 and just off shore of Vancouver, WA. Information collected at that sensor is available online from November 1, 1974 to the present. The same information for the period of November 24, 1971 (date of the hijacking) to November 1, 1974 was collected but can't be located. This suggests that it is not online. That information is needed to determine what, if anything, the Columbia River level had on moving the money. So if anyone knows where that information is located, please speak up and fast. Robert99 What is the name of that station/location It is listed as "VANW: Columbia River at Vancouver" where VANW is probably the symbol for the gage. Here is a web page that may have linking information to the Vancouver information. http://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil

Flyjack, The Army Corps of Engineers make daily readings of the Columbia River heights, etc., at a point a few hundred feet east of I5 and just off shore of Vancouver, WA. Information collected at that sensor is available online from November 1, 1974 to the present. The same information for the period of November 24, 1971 (date of the hijacking) to November 1, 1974 was collected but can't be located. This suggests that it is not online. That information is needed to determine what, if anything, the Columbia River level had on moving the money. So if anyone knows where that information is located, please speak up and fast. Robert99

Flyjack, this possible source has not been considered before to the best of my knowledge. I would like to defer further comment on this to a future date. In any event, I'll go where the facts indicate. If you can find a source for the early 1970s Columbia River data, please post or PM immediately. Both Georger and I will probably have trouble keeping our feet on the planet if you find that data. In the meantime, stay tuned and keep the faith. As mentioned earlier, the wheels are moving and time is of the essence. Robert99

What story is a take off??? are you just trying to discredit me.. by associating me with someone else that may or may not exist,,, I am not playing games... I may be newer to this but that can be a positive or a negative.. There are lots of ways the cash could have been dislodged in the Columbia Slough.. There is even a garbage landfill in the Slough that was operational late 70's.. http://www.oregonmetro.gov/index.cfm/go/by.web/id=25126 I am creating a logic tree and one branch is that the money came from the landfill in the slough, was not intentionally thrown out, may have been hidden in a house that was torn down and all debris dumped,, Any homes torn down in the late 1970's.. after the owner died... Pay no attention to Jo. She claims to own every idea in the Cooper catalog. Your theory offers a real world idea of how Cooper money could have come to Tina Bar. JT claimed to have released ping-pong balls in the Washougal and they came to rest on Tina Bar ... a claim yet to be documented! A claim like yours was advanced here by Farflung some years back, involving construction on Hayden or Govt Island - I forget which.. You might want to do a search of his post on that. What dates of passage do you have in mind? And, what species of diatoms dominate in the slough you are focusing on! ? ... Flyjack, can you give the precise location of the Columbia Slough that you are talking about? Further, do you know the dates that construction started and finished on the Flushing Channel between the Columbia River and Vancouver Lake? The river entrance is just south (upstream) of Caterpillar Island. And Flyjack, if you are a resident of the Portland/Vancouver area, do you know when the marina was built that is now between Caterpillar Island and the "mainland"? Finally, does anyone know of a source (hopefully with a link that works!) for the Columbia River data at Vancouver for the period from November 24,1971 to December 31, 1972? Things are moving and time is of the essence! Robert99

well in my high school we plotted and calculated the paths of artillery shells and falling objects etc ... ad nauseum. Mr Tedor our instructor a former artillery officer with Patton! In any event, your numbers are close to mine, where I use 160mph. And yes, this is using those drop test high speed frames. Distance reference is the width of the wheel, a standard 727 wheel (~50"). And yes. the surprise to me is between frames t1 and t2 the stairs are already fully closed! First time I saw this I thought: 'this cant be!?' There is every reason to suppose these are consecutive frames but even if they arent the quick closure of the stairs is a surprise, unless I am missing something. The caveat is: is the drop test representative of what the stars did during Cooper's jump? This actually agrees with a comment one of the Boeing guys made during interviews, that 'they had calculated the closure time of the stairs and it was fast' - he wondered if the stairs had snagged Cooper jumping? (H had this on his list of 'reasons Cooper probably died')... Well ... you are looking at the frames. Possibly interesting. This is what I referenced months ago but never finished posting... I'll bet you ignored the air resistance on those artillery shells. In your illustration, Cooper and everything strapped to him weighed about 225 pounds when he jumped. Also, the airliner was actually doing about 220-225 MPH (the weight and airspeed numbers are just coincidentally nearly the same). And those stairs are going to retract really fast. Robert99

Let me get my two cents worth in here. The equation in the post earlier is for vertical motion and does not include horizontal motion. Adding the horizontal motion VASTLY complicates the mathematics. So that is why "rules of thumb" are the easiest way to go. Basically, the forward horizontal motion for the 225 MPH airliner airspeed at which Cooper jumped/fell off/or was thrown off the stairs, is cancelled out in about 10-15 seconds. After that, the motion is straight down with respect to the air mass (which will be moving horizontally depending on the wind). Cooper's speed, both the horizontal and vertical components, depends on his body's orientation with respect to the free stream air velocity vector. Assume that vector is parallel to and opposing Cooper's "fall path" motion. If Cooper falls the entire distance from the stairs to the ground in a "stable spread skydiving position", he will be doing about 120 MPH when he reaches sea level (Portland is essentially at sea level). Consequently, it will take him about 60 seconds to reach the ground from the airliner. If Cooper falls the entire distance head first, he will be doing about 180 MPH when he reaches sea level. That would take about 40 seconds to reach the ground from the airliner. But in reality, Cooper will be tumbling and the fall time will likely be somewhere between 40 and 60 seconds to reach the ground. If anyone feels that Cooper will not be tumbling in a free fall, please advise what reference he is going to be using to stabilize himself in view of the cloud layers, relatively low visibility at altitude, and darkness. Robert99 vertical component caught by camera The picture seems to have been made during the FBI drop tests. And contrary to what the picture seems to indicate, the vertical velocity of the dropped item is quite low since it only separated from the aircraft about a second earlier. The horizontal velocity of the dropped item is still about 160 MPH (about the same speed as the aircraft) at this early point in the drop. But in about 10 or 15 seconds the horizontal velocity of the dropped item will be zero (in a calm atmosphere) and all the speed will be vertical for the rest of the way down. At this point only the standard gravitational equations apply and the item will continue to accelerate until its aerodynamic drag is equal to its weight. For your information, I have NEVER seen the horizontal motion of a falling object treated in a physics textbook. They always use the standard gravitational equations and deal only with vertical motion. Basically, the vertical motion only problems can be solved by hand. Adding horizontal motion, the problem becomes (if I remember correctly) a quadratic nonlinear equation, or system of such equations, that can make good use of a Cray supercomputer. Robert99

Let me get my two cents worth in here. The equation in the post earlier is for vertical motion and does not include horizontal motion. Adding the horizontal motion VASTLY complicates the mathematics. So that is why "rules of thumb" are the easiest way to go. Basically, the forward horizontal motion for the 225 MPH airliner airspeed at which Cooper jumped/fell off/or was thrown off the stairs, is cancelled out in about 10-15 seconds. After that, the motion is straight down with respect to the air mass (which will be moving horizontally depending on the wind). Cooper's speed, both the horizontal and vertical components, depends on his body's orientation with respect to the free stream air velocity vector. Assume that vector is parallel to and opposing Cooper's "fall path" motion. If Cooper falls the entire distance from the stairs to the ground in a "stable spread skydiving position", he will be doing about 120 MPH when he reaches sea level (Portland is essentially at sea level). Consequently, it will take him about 60 seconds to reach the ground from the airliner. If Cooper falls the entire distance head first, he will be doing about 180 MPH when he reaches sea level. That would take about 40 seconds to reach the ground from the airliner. But in reality, Cooper will be tumbling and the fall time will likely be somewhere between 40 and 60 seconds to reach the ground. If anyone feels that Cooper will not be tumbling in a free fall, please advise what reference he is going to be using to stabilize himself in view of the cloud layers, relatively low visibility at altitude, and darkness. Robert99

Nephew Brucie, In view of your interest in "remote viewing" and such, can you arrange a seance with J. Edgar Hoover? It concerns a matter which was of interest to him. Let me know and I'll send you some good questions to discuss with him. Unfortunately, since I don't believe in such things, I will not be able to attend personally. Robert99 Hey, I don't believe in Santa Claus, but that doesn't stop me from getting up early on Christmas morning and looking for gifts! I'll keep an open mind about Santa Claus, at least through next Wednesday, but I don't believe in the tooth fairy anymore.

Nephew Brucie, In view of your interest in "remote viewing" and such, can you arrange a seance with J. Edgar Hoover? It concerns a matter which was of interest to him. Let me know and I'll send you some good questions to discuss with him. Unfortunately, since I don't believe in such things, I will not be able to attend personally. Robert99

There are a lot of steel (iron) bridges on the west and northwest side of Portland primarily on the Willamette and other secondary streams. The steel I5 bridge over the Columbia has a drawbridge if I remember correctly. However, it is very unlikely that Gustave Eiffel (1832-1923) had anything to do with these bridges. His crowning achievement was the Eiffel tower which was completed in 1889 as part of the preparations for the 1889 World's Fair (or Universal Exposition) in Paris. After the Eiffel tower, Gustave seems to have devoted his interests to other scientific matters instead of engineering structures. Robert99

10) The money at Tina Bar also does not answer the question of why Blevins refuses to reveal what his "real estate expert" found in his researching KC's real estate dealings. Assuming that Blevins, or his "expert", researched those dealings in the first place. Nevertheless, Blevins continues to sell, if possible, or give away, if he can't sell it, a book that contains claims that have been proven untrue. 11) The money also does not explain where Blevins "established flight path" originated or anything related to that flight path. 12) Blevins, dream on. Robert99

Correct - all I did was type at the wee hours of the morning what was stated in Mr. H's book. SO if the interception took place South of Portland - what the hell was the pilot doing that surprised Norman Battaglia. Did the co - pilot think that Cooper was still on board and trying to make him jump or was he just being sure Cooper was gone. Was there a possibililty Cooper was still on board after the plane passed was South of Portland? "What is that guy changing courses for?" 45 degrees every 30 seconds? So what was the pilot doing? Jo, The Seattle ATC transcripts have been redacted to remove all information for the time frame in which Cooper is reported to have jumped. Plus there are 18 other redactions from that transcript. The mention in Himmelsbach's book is the only known mention of such maneuvers by the airliner so far as I can find. To the best of my knowledge, those maneuvers would not serve any useful purpose. Robert99

Blevins, This IS a "public" thread which is set up as a means of relaying information to many people with similar interests by a single post. As one of the most prolific posters on this thread, I think you have certainly used the thread to relay information that some people were not really remotely interested in. After all, after hearing about KC a few dozen times, and being lectured on publishing books endlessly, plus all the other subjects you have bring up that don't have anything to do with the stated purpose of this thread, what is it that you want to keep out of the public eye? Robert99 And for those who want to go through your fine work on Sluggo's site ... here is the url... just scroll down the left side. Aeronautical Calculations (by Robert99) http://n467us.com/ Wonderful! After studying those calculations, everyone should be able to fully understand why the Blevins supported flight path won't work. Hopefully, within a few days I will be able to post some information on the thread that will further explain the problems with the flight path that some people don't care to consider. Finally, if a miracle or two happens, perhaps some real data will become available so that the actual flight path can be determined. Robert99

Blevins, This IS a "public" thread which is set up as a means of relaying information to many people with similar interests by a single post. As one of the most prolific posters on this thread, I think you have certainly used the thread to relay information that some people were not really remotely interested in. After all, after hearing about KC a few dozen times, and being lectured on publishing books endlessly, plus all the other subjects you have bring up that don't have anything to do with the stated purpose of this thread, what is it that you want to keep out of the public eye? Robert99

Blevins writes: The FBI keeps it on their website...you should be asking them. R99 replies: The FBI probably keeps several hundred pages of information on their public Cooper web site. It appears to be mostly newspaper clippings and such. I doubt if the FBI would be willing to swear to the accuracy of much, or any, of it. Blevins writes: BTW...I just tried to PM you Bill Rataczak's address and phone. Didn't realize you felt so threatened by me, or that I had sent you SO many messages (like about zero, I think) that you had me blocked. R99 replies: Sorry, but I DON'T feel threatened by you. I have just checked the PMs that we exchanged on July 17th and 18th, 2011, and the number does not compute as zero. I don't remember exactly when the PM block was put it, but it was probably about that time. Blevins writes: You know, it's traditional to WAIT until someone sends you a bad message before blocking them. R99 replies: I apparently didn't get that memo. Robert99

Bruce, I suggest that you have the right "notion" above. I have to take get an extremely important matter off the pad tomorrow morning. Then when time permits, I'll post an analysis of George Harrison's 23 pages of information that are available on the Washington State Museum's Cooper site. But don't get your hopes up. While all is not lost, no ready answers are forthcoming either. Even the sacred 8:22PM location will get the rug pulled out from under it. It appears that it was actually 8:18PM when the airliner was at that location. And that location is a long way from where "Blevins' map" (formerly "so-called FBI map") indicates the airliner was at 8:18PM. Robert99