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[ Spare me the ancient and simplistic analysis and FFS if you're going to attempt to quote somebody at least be accurate. I wasn't quoting anybody ,quade. That's why there were no quotation marks. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

When did you suddenly start liking to put words in people's mouths? I didn't say it was OK. I said it wasn't something I was worried about. There are several issues here but the biggest one is catching the bad guys that would do harm against us. To do that we really do need to sweep the airwaves and internet listening for their plans. The ONLY way to do that is with computer automated systems such as the much fabled "Eschelon" and yes, it really does need to look at everything and not just targeted individuals. By the time you target a terror cell, it's too late. All of the above said, it's a flood of information that can only be dealt with via technology. Humans only get involved with a tiny fraction of the information. That's the only way it's possible to deal with it. Those who would trade their freedom for security will end up with neither. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[reply DU rounds have been used for decades. What are the birth defect rates attributed to those uses? And the Jeapordy answer is : "No amount of depleted Uranium is considered safe for human consumption/ exposure." Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

That and Mob vilolence. Lots to worry about if you're a worrier. There's also a lot of beauty if you want to focus on that instead. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

He was a priest/pastor of Corpous Christi Roman Catholic Church in Willingboro ,N.J. Why do you ask? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

when you get something for free, you're not that intested in how it runs. If you pay for something, you're more interested in making it work right. With that many people not paying taxes, Someone I used to jump with once told me he'd do free jump seminars, but people don't respect your time if you're giving it away to them. LOL! Apples and oranges. Jump seminars and taxes. You are probably not required to pay federal income tax. If the dick head wants to charge fellow skydivers for info he was taught for free? Let's all shit in a bag , get in the plane ... Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Considering the many potential ill health effects that depleted uranium may cause, should the USA face war crime trials for using it in Afghanistan and Iraq? Should the American GI worry about his kid being born grossly malformed? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Quote I will pay a bit more for better quality, especially fresh produce, but I don't bother with the organic stuff." Yes! wolfriverjoe. That makes perfect sense. Don't "bother with the organic stuff". I mean really! What's a few chemicals to your brain? And really , they may not be as nutricious but who really needs all those vitamins in each and every piece of produce as nature intended? I can just eat three times as much and I'll have all the same amounts of nutrients! Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Oh yeah, one more thing. You'll be shocked how fast you're in and out on pick-up day. You'll have way more food then you could get at your local grocery for the same dollars, and you'll be in and out in about 7 minutes! Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Oh Honey!!! That's way too much!! Try this link! www.angelfoodministries.com And it isn't charity. The church who distributes makes money, the organizers make money. It's just that without the overhead of a grocery store, and the fact that food in bulk is cheap,and churches are an integral part of the supply chain,, freeflybella, check the link! I'm certain you can slash your food bill by $500. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

QuoteStill side stepping and not very effective this time. So, Casious Clay used religion to avoid serving and that makes him a "hero" to you?Quote No , matthewcline,it wasn't about religion. Why do you bring that up? Cassius Clay said" I have no quarrel with the Viet Cong". He had no reason to kill them so he opted for a jail cell in lieu of killing people . Now I don't know . Maybe you'ld be comfortable in a jail cell. Maybe not. I guess what makes Cassius Clay such a heroe in my book is that he did the research. He didn't just blindly accept the government propaganda. There was no good reason to kill innocent North Vietnamese. They weren't a threat to the US population. It was all about the price and accesability of "rubber". Natural resources. Hmm! Seems like why we fight every war! Oh wait! I'm wrong!!! The invasion of Panama was so that Herbert Walker(Poppy) Bush wouldn't be found out. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[This isn't an attack on England... it's just where the story came from. This could have happened in so many other places.... so lets not take this to a U.S. v. England Instead I am wondering about the discussion of what Privacy and Freedom should we have from Government. Hey ,kbordson, I think the Bill of Rights pretty much perfectly spelled out what privacies and Freedoms we should have. Thing is with the Patriot Act and the rush to heightened security after 9-11 the Bill of Rights was trashed. Habeous Corpous means alot! without that one, pretty much the rest of our Rights are null and void. Of course there could be some argument that the clause about housing troops in private quarters may still apply. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Listen, I'm not looking to "burn" anybody here but, when you think about the wars in Afganistan and Iraq, aren't we fighting mostly "insurgents,militia,and rebels? It appears to me that those we are fighting are much like ourselves. It's not that they are terrorists . They are simply civilians who are pissed that an occupying force forced their way into their country and stayed for eight years. Kinda what some 85% of SC claim they would do. So why are we there? Who are we really fighting and for what purpose/ end goal? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I don't know what you are doing. I do know that the American military effort is to ensure the security of the proposed pipeline from the Northern Casapian area through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Gulf . Oh! Just yesterday at least 16 more American kids died there for that cause. I wonder how many were seriously wounded? Blues, liff 2muchTruth

LOL! You know what Popeye would say, "I yam what I yam" Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

My, you seem pretty strong in your conviction on this topic , Andrewwhyte! How about this ;Should the government have the power to invade sovereign nations if they have a "reasonable expectation " that those nations might attack us? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

This is a joke right? Firearmfree zones = Victim zones, like my college campus is a victim zone. More importantly, police and federal agents would destroy you if you attempted to do as you say. If you lived you would be imprisoned. So you are saying that I should be afraid of the police state responce in "the home of the free". Of course I have considered their responce,DeathByCactus, still this is my property, my castle ,and as a Freeman I'll make the rules as to whom I allow to carry firearms on my property. My rule is no one but myself. I've posted warning signs. Anyone entering my sovereign domain carrying firearms has announced themselves as a threat to my life and liberty. Blues, Cliff Good luck with that. Ask the Confederate States of America how it worked. Since it is your "sovereign domain", are you also providing your own power, water, sanitation (both sewers and garbage/recyclable removal) and fire protection? I'm all for rational debate, and I enjoy discussing these things in a reasonable manner, but dude, seriously, I'm a little worried. What are you worried about , wolfriverjoe? My right to private property or my right to self defense? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Should the government have the power to lock away people if they have a "reasonable expectation " that those people will commit a violent crime? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

What would you do? If a foreign power were to invade and occupy America, would you fight them or would you just hope to God that American Idol would still be aired? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Yes,birdshit .., Now , I don't think the majority are "psycho" going in to the military. I may be wrong(I'm not a clinical phsycologist but call me if you have any sceptic tank troubles), .., but coming out of combat I do belive a large portion of military are "psycho". Especially after long , extended, and multiple tours of duty. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I can't make it any straighter for you. I believe that Cassius Clay is one of the greatest heroes of the Vietnam war. Oh!!! I see now ! You were hoping to trip me up so that you could make some witty reply? Never mind then as I am firm in my beliefs! I believe that Cassius Clay is one of the greatest heroes of the Vietnam War. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[replyI'm very uncomfortable being put in the spotlight for doing what I do. The shit-talking is because we love our jobs. Kind of reminds me of my years in college. There were these anti fraternity groups that hated everything that represented a social organization. I back then in my naievity, called them out as jealous anti-social underachievers, but now I realize it's about how they really think of themselves and thier inner confidence or something to that effect. Quote Uhm.., nanook.., fraternities, the military, your very deep over-analyzing .., you seem to join organizations where you will spend a lot of time with large groups of men. Why do you think that may be? No ,No., forget I asked! Don't tell!!! Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I believe he was one of the greatest heroes of the Vietnam war. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

LOL! I believe that one of the traits of a true hero is that they put themselves in harms way to protect another. Cassius Clay allowed himself to be locked in a cage with violent criminals in order to spare innocent people their lives. Blus, Cliff 2muchTruth

Yes ! Oh wait ..., are you talking about prison time? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth