cliffwhite

[reply Rememeber a couple of things here. First, who our President is and who he is trying to appease. Second, the outrage over profiling. Our intelligence people are getting their hands tied by all of this as well as the military. Think about it, your own comments and positions support this line of thought Again, Bullshit! There are a number of ways the CIA can get any information out LOUD AND CLEAR. So what are you saying? They don't do it because they don't want to lose their jobs? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Here's a suggestion , Kennedy, instead of actively looking for the Truth why don't you just put your head between your knees ,ass up,and accept what's coming? Oh , my bad ! That's the position you're in! Nevermind! Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[replyThank the political correctness crowd, not the CIA people who would do better if we did not have to deal with these liberal idiots Oh Bullshit! You're telling us that the CIA is hamstrung by *political correctness*. If that's the case we should disband the whole organization and hire men who have balls. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

No! I'm looking for "truth " here and contrary to what we've been told about the military fighting for our Freedom, ONLY THE TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE. Let's get to the Truth. Why was this guy still a member of the military if he was contacting Al-Queida? Who knew he was contacting "Al-Queida"? Was he really contacting "Al-Queida" or is this just an attempt to "take advantage of every crisis"? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I guess considering the attack at Ft Hood that reasoning is ,(and pardon my punminship) "Shot all to hell". And now , suddenly, the CIA was watching this guy! He even tried to contact , "Al-Queida"!!!!! So why wasn't he drummed out of the military after he "tried to contact "Al-Queida"? And exactly who is incharge of security at Ft. Hood? Have they lost their job quite yet? Here's an incredible parrallel between 9-11 and Ft.Hood, In each case the US military was unable to even defend their own territory!!!! Yeah.., I feel so safe having these guys defending our country! "Military men are dumb , stupid animals, to be used as pawns for foreign policy"-Henry Kisinger Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Oh yes! I've seen that tape!!!! The problem is that that Bin Laden has a much broader nose than the real Bin Laden. Also he is signing documents with his right hand when Bin Laden is left handed. Most telling is that the "Bin Laden" in the video is wearing a gold ring. It is against Islam and an afront to Allah for a man to wear jewlery. Do you really believe your source,Bill? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Interesting! Could you site a source for that quote? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

QuoteTerrorism is a political act intended to accomplish a political objective through violence and the fear it produces. What was the political objective here?Quote What ,Bill, was the political objective on 9-11? I mean, I know Cheney and company had declared their desire to take over the middle east , but was the political agenda of the 9-11 hijakers if you suscribe to the government version? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Yes, timmyfitz, As I said , Opium is not the major funding of the Taliban. It is the US Taxpayer. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I reckon' not bein' as you,MrLicious, your father ,your fathers' father ,and even his father never fought a war for "Freedom". Or maybe "y'all" did but you simply didn't understand the reason for the war . Certainly it wasn't "Freedom". More than likely it was a war about economics. Here's a little lesson for you.MrLicious, and you don't have to thank me for it, Freedom isn't won or lost at the point of a gun. The thing about Freedom is you either know you are or you can never be. Guns, Tanks, Bombs,.. they aren't tools which guarantee or can grant Freedom. They also can't take it away. They just decide who lives and who dies. Blue ones, Mr. Licious, Cliff White 2muchTruth

Hi Folks, Cliff White here. Today I was perched upon my back hoe digging a trench when it occured to me ; "maybe most of these people on DZ.Com really do believe what the US government says." Could it be ? I don't know . What I do know is that ever since I started brushing with Crest+ Listerene my breath has been much fresher and my teeth have been much whiter. I also know that if I never believe what the US government says ,I'll probably be right more than 50% of the time . A better percentage than my local weatherman. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Quote[. The fact of the matter is that the judicial interpretation of the Constitution is the only one that carries any legal weight.[/reply Was it Jackson (leave it to a black man) that said screw that Supreme Court ruling, I'm gonna do it any how because I have the military ? Blues, Cliff, cLIFF 2muchTruth

No, as a strict Constitutionalist , I can assure you that a declaration of war by the Congress is definately required. You might site precedent but those before us were simply wrong. You'ld be wrong too! So where are we ? Those with the power of the guns do what they want in this country. That's anarchy not democracy and certainly not in line with our Constitutional Republic. And those with the loud mouths think they're doin' somethin' patriotic, but they're just loudmouths. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Wow. Cliff is in fine form tonight!! Thank you and listen, I have to give some of the credit to my new toothpaste. Yes, recently I've switched to Crest with Listerine and My teeth are much whiter and my breath is so much fresher!!!!! Don't believe me just lean in here and kiss me! No but seriously, " Crest with listerine wiill change your life and put you in your finest form!! Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Actually, I'm doing pretty well!!!But enough about me. I could go on all day! Lets talk about Congress authorizing "use of force". That's not a declaration of war as required by the Constitution. Military personelle don't swear to follow the non-commitmant of Congress . They swear to defend the Constitution. Do you , Mealtickets, believe that the Constitution has been defended recently? Let' talk about Habeous Corpus ,Mealticket. Has the military been defending the Constitution along that line recently? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

That's what we're all trying to figure out, "cliff note" - what service you've done that gives you a frame of reference to be able to say jack or shit about the service of our military members. As a freeman I can say what ever I choose,mealticket. Do you believe in and support the Right to freedom of speech ? Blues, Cliff Imagine that, cliffnote - as a freeman *I* can say whatever *I* choose, as well, to wit: You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Maybe you should walk a mile in their Kevlar before you run your mouth. Well first off , it's not really "their kevlar" . The citizenry own it. Lets get that straight right off the get go. The citizenry also own every bullet ,rifle, helicopter,fighter jet,and *air transport back*. We aren't dependant on the military. They certainly aren't fighting *my* wars. But they are dependant on us if they want to come home. Thing is ,I don't know how any of them got out there! Did they go of their own accord? Certainly they didn't have legitimate orders as my congress, my representation, hasn't declared war as required by the Constitution. And those soldiers swore an oath to uphold the constitution. They want to be in Afghanistan it's their freedom to make that call. I'm going to work on cutting off the funding for supplies and transport back. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Quote However, I call serious question into their final two-three minutes though. Especially their comparisons about "nuclear power". It is pretty clear to anyone that Iran's program is not just about providing power.Quote It's not clear to me that Iran's nuclear program isn't just about power. Let's see , so far you've convinced yourself. Why don't you attempt to convince me and the world that Iran has nuclear arms ambitions. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

That's what we're all trying to figure out, "cliff note" - what service you've done that gives you a frame of reference to be able to say jack or shit about the service of our military members. As a freeman I can say what ever I choose,mealticket. Do you believe in and support the Right to freedom of speech ? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Uhmmm , wolfriverjoe, It is my Right to carry wherever I please. Do you or do you not support the exercise of everyone of my Rights? Blues, Cliff The Supreme Court (Heller decision) does not agree with you. Then that court is illegitimate. Every person has a Right to self defense. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

QuoteBecause the "one or two exceptions", i.e. the ones who commit the hate crimes, would cause the trouble by perpetrating attacks against openly homosexual people in the military. Just one attack is a large problem. Put simply, a few exceptions to the rule could cause a lot of problems if there were percieved targets for them to go after.Quote So is the military unable to effectively police their own? Do you believe that the military is incapable of protecting its' own(including gays). And if it is such a hardship to the point whereas gays should be excluded , how about blacks? Should they also be excluded ? How about Jews? Muslims? You are telling us that gays should be excluded because there is a disruption when a member of the military violates their civil Rights. Isn't one of the reasons for the military to ensure our civil Rights? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[reply Umm... No. Not only no, but fuck no. By your choice to carry anywhere you please, you are demonstrating a lack of judgement that tells me you shouldn't be carrying a gun at all IMO. Uhmmm , wolfriverjoe, It is my Right to carry wherever I please. Do you or do you not support the exercise of everyone of my Rights? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Wait just a second here ,millertimeunc. Weren't you just telling us what a large problem and disruption it is for gays to serve in the military because " These attacks ultimately lead to litigation, possible prison time for the attacker, compensation for the physical and emotional damage to the victim, the possibility that several people will be discharged from the military, and an overall loss of efficiency because of the manpower and resources required to process the whole mess. " If all that is "the exception and not the norm" then why is it even an issue for you? You stated that you don't think gays should be allowed to serve in the military. But all your reasons are now based on the "exception" Do you want to sit down, collect your thoughts, have a little cry , and try again. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

While you're waiting for his reponse, why don't you go ahead and get the second half of his post out of the way? You know, the part where you show where you managed to carry out a sworn duty differently? The SECOND half of Gawain's post - the part you oh-so-conveniently ignored. Go back and re-read it, and then go ahead and answer it. You can show us how YOU carried out your sworn duty differently. What sworn duty did I have , mealticket? And if I haven't "sworn" duty somehow someone else is relieved the moral obligation of the duty they swore to? I'm just not following you here ! Please explain what you are getting at. Oh yeah, one more thing ,mealticket, .. I'm not Barack Obama if that makes a difference. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

QuoteThe problem is "good order and discipline." Most people I work with couldn't care less what a person's orientation is. The problem is that there are people out there who, when they find out someone in their squadron is homosexual, will find a way to discriminate or attack that person. Really, millertimenc? What does that say about the professionalism ,honor and integrity of military personelle? That this is a problem today. That the other personelle don't step up to stop the harrassment? For shame! Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

While you're waiting for his reponse, why don't you go ahead and get the second half of his post out of the way? You know, the part where you show where you managed to carry out a sworn duty differently? Quote What sworn duty? I've completed every contract I've entered to the satisfaction of all parties involved. Sworn duty? What the hell are you mumbling about? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth