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At what alltitude was flight 93 when the alledged cellphone calls were made ,Bill? How fast was the aircraft travelling? Do cellphones work so well in those conditions? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Listen, we were going there (officially) to defeat the Taliban for supporting Osama Bin Laden. Can you tell me how many of those Afghani nationals killed were members of the Taliban? How many were Osama Bin Laden? How many of the Pakistanis? Was Patrick Tillman Taliban? IF not I feel pretty qualified in my assertion that more than Taliban have been killed and wounded by the US military during this "Enduring" and "Enduring, and "Enduring Freedom" campaign. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Me too...but it'd be a PA Truth can be a hard pill to swallow ,airdvr. Still it is the truth. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Have you no self restraint,rhaig? You have the power to only click on the posts you wish to read. You clicked on to this one so obviously you wanted to read it. You don't really need a kill file to shield yourself from my postings ,do you rhaig? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I forget the story of that hard fighting US soldier who was so mistreated by the Iraquis after her capture. I also can't quite remember every heroic detail of her rescuers' efforts. Can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Before I took orders to invade a country and kill people I'd want a list of the exact people who were the target. I have a feeling that the vast majority killed and wounded in our "Enduring " Afganistan mission were completely innocent of any hostile feelings toward the US until the invasion/occupation. Now anyone who takes offense to their brother being murdered or their 14 year old sister being raped by foreign troops is considered either "militia, an insurgent, or a Taliban sympathizer". Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Maybe you should take another look at the official story as to why; "Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah... Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes... And hangover or not, they manage to give the world's most sophisticated air defense system the slip... Unphased by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely... Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two... and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically - through their own mass - at free-fall speed, for the first time in history. Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground... only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI... …Meanwhile down in Washington... Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing... Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little... Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world's most heavily defended building... ...all without a single shot being fired.... or ruining the nicely mowed lawn... and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video... ...Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania... So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later... And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants... except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana... ...Further south in Florida... President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger... ...In New York... World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously... While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the 'New Pearl Harbor' catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination... And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports... " Here's a question, are there more holes in that story or in Patrick Tillmans' body? They've already been caught in their lie about Tillman. Are they lying about 9-11 and Afghanistan? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

...the fact that they are not complying and are making weapons grade material and will soon be put on notice. LOL! They are making weapons grade material at a site under construction and 18 months from completion? LOL! Here's something to fear.., "Sources tell us that Saddam Hussein is is importing yellowcake from Niger. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[Once again...please don't feed the trolls! If they don't get fed they might go away eventually...hopefully!!! Intresting thought, iF 9-11 does turn out to be demonstrably a hoax perpetrated by the government in power at the time,bigbearfng, how will the men serving in those theaters of WAR reconcile the killing they've been doing in Dick Cheyneys' name? I'd bet that many of them will return psychologically scarred and mentally deranged. As a matter of fact I'll bet the majority of those returning from those wars will be Fuckin'Nuts!!!! Blues, Cliff Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

What the fuck? Do you believe that the mission to Iraq was supposed to be humanitarian in nature, big bearfng? I kinda remember we were going in search of Weapons of Mass Destruction which were an immediate threat to our own safety here in the USA! If any American soldier is still over there they are either such a big pussy that they are scared to speak Truth to Power, or they have decided that money is a pretty good compensation for killin'. Either way I see no reason to respect them and honor is way out of line! I here -by decree that Memorial Day and Veterans Day will no longer be celebrated exept by propagandized ,life size, blow -up, vibrating Michael Jackson love dolls . Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Quotewhat next... ***The Industrial Revolution was a period from the 19th to the early 20th century .., Quote Let me tell you about the biggest change brought about by the industrial revolution. Something the women ,to this day, are having a hard time figuring out. You all know about it. It probably is responsible for the rise in circulation of newspapers at that time and the continued circulation of newspapers through this time. The Complete Evacuation. Women just don't understand how you can take a newspaper and sit on the toilet for 30 minutes or more. Well just ask Andrew Carnegie. Before the industrial revolution men were like women in their evacuation habits,you could just go whenever the bowels said go. I mean sure, you might wait until you got to the end of the row you were plowing but pretty much and for the most part the day was your oyster. You just shit when the feeling struck. And then came the industrial revolution. You had to man your position on the assembly line. No more agriculture shittin' at the end of the rows. In fact, the few minutes break was not enough for all the men at the factory to relieve their bowels. So men adapted to the tradition of reading the newspaper and having a "complete evacuation" every morning before they left for work. And now you know the rest of the story, the good and the bad behind the industrial revelution. 2muchTruth

QuoteLets see here.. in the course of my most recent deployment I have arranged cleft pallate surgery for 3 kids and (thanks to help from people who know who they are) arranged heart surgery for a 6 month infant. All of these kids were Moslem by the way.Quote Yeah and that was the misiion wasn't it fossg? What the fuck are you there for? You think my tax dollars are supposed to support your humanitarian fuckin' vacation??? If you want to be a philanthropist do it on your own damn dime!. I'm paying you to clear Iraq of wepons of mass destruction. That job was complete before you ever got there. Return to base soldier. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Nope-part of the package of the job-without even entering in to the whole on the job injury side of things, Quote So let me get this straight, futuredivot, you believe that some guy who joined the army, knowing full well he was going to be deployed to Iraq and be shot at should recieve government health care for his bullet wounds but the civilian walking down the street, the taxpayer who was paying a large percentage of his earnings toward the upkeep of the military, should not recieve the same government healthcare for his bullet wounds as the soldier? Are soldiers some how a higher class of citizen now? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

They used and are still using my name and my countries name to slaughter innoncents. It isn't good enough, fossg, to say you were just following orders. Maybe at the beginning that would have bought a ticket to innocense. Thing is in this volunteer era no one is obligated for more than 6 years. I understand that they fooled almost everyone on 9-11-01. But those folks have now had time to to research and opt out. No.., If you are still in the military today you are either just way damn dumb, or a straight out mercenary willing to kill for cash. and mercenaries,fossig, deserve no respect, no ticker tape parades.They are shameful and shouldn't even try to look civilized men in the eye. They are murderers for hire. Blues, Cliff Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[If members of the armed forces are wounded in the course of their duties, it is unethical for the country to deny them the best care available. I'd say the same about police or firefighters too. Wait a second Professor, Do you really believe that those members of the armed forces should be entitled to the same health care as Dick Cheney is entitled????? They are lowly peons(pawns) and he was the Commander in Charge of the Commander in Chief !!! blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Yeah, I bet you have. Since the only Marines I think we have in Berlin are at the embassy I find that highly unlikely.Quote the only Marines you "think we have in Berlin" Rookie120??? Obviously if you are military you certainly weren't deployed as Military intelligence. Would it suprise you Rookie to find that at any given time we have at least 3300 Marines in Berlin? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

[reply blank profile? Are you ashamed of what you say? You in prison?[/reply You are on to me ,rickjump1, I'm currently in an Arkansaw prison but luckily due to the Clintons' influence we have plenty of drugs and sex is a given. Al Gores' invention "the internet" is well recieved here even though not many of us subscripe to his theory of global warming. I mean for sure from time to time your anus might just be burning up but the cells are always kept at a very cool temperature. It's supposed to suppress fighting. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I wonder ,rickjump 1, if you consider it excessive when one of our courts here in the great ol' USA convicts someone of holding just a bit more than an ounce of marijuana and then sentences them to 5 years in the state prison on the felony distribution charge? Blues, Cliff If it were really just a "bit more" than an ounce for personal use, I would say it was excessive. OK, Rick, So can I expect you in the not to distant future to post a thread titled , "American Justice for Men" ? Or was there just some predudice you hold toward Arab men that prompted you to post this subject? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Is it a matter of perspective how they treat women in that part of the world, Yeah and women are always treated so..SO much better here in our inner cities and out in the farmlands ,and over in suburbia!! LOL!! And OMG and this is unbelievable and what about the children and BLAH Blah, Blah

That's just great! Are you by chance a military person, kbordson? Blues, Cliff My father was active duty Air Force for 20+ years I was active duty Air Force for almost 5 years My stepson was active duty Air Force. You have NO place to question my personal ties to the military. Oh , You're kinda touchy on the subject of military ties, aren't 'cha kboardon. What's up with that ? Most are proud of their service. And what's up with deferring to nerdgirls opinion ? Have you no mind of your own? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

SURE! Go sign up and you can go see all those military doc's. No seriously! Listen, Military personelle are well compensated for their time in service. They also enjoy many benefits that the average civilian doesn't qualify for. When it comes to doctors care , isn't any civilian just as entitled as any military personelle? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

I would defer to Nerdgirl's opinion on that. Or at least consider her input before ranking theaters. That's just great! Are you by chance a military person, kbordson? Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

Recently it has been brought to my attention that medical trauma research is greatly enhanced during war times. Basically we have a lot more trauma victims providing research data. So, my question is this ; considering the high cost of every medical procedure here in the US and the limited funds, should a soldier wounded in Afghanistan fighting for our country get more US payed medical funds than an innocent walking the streets of our country who is a victim of violent crime? Should the military come first? Or should all citizens be treated equally? Should citizens be allowed access to and free care at military hospitals? Blues 2muchTruth

Do you believe that we shouldn't be fighting wars in Afghanistan, Iraq , Somalia, Pakistan, and the Phillipines? Or is your belief that the Congress just shouldn't declare that? Blues, Cliff I think our country is broke. Although war does increase production within the "war machine" and does actually further medical trauma research... it doesn't really help the society in a long term basis. I think that we should look at expenses and CUT costs. We need to re-finance our country. Babysitting or playing big brother to countries that don't have a direct impact on the American population is not in our current best interest. So ,kbordson, Are you in favor of just dropping everything and bringing all the troops home? Blues, Cliff I wouldn't say "just dropping" - rather restructuring our deployments to focus on those theaters that are important to the well being of the U.S. OK, that makes good sense! Which theaters do you believe are important to the US ? And why? You might want to include which theaters we are currently involved in that you disagree with .., and why. Blues, Cliff 2muchTruth

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