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kids. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I have a couple of those. You can S fold or stack pack like a square, depending of your bag. Tandem D bags are good sometimes, building a D-bag works just fine too. 27 ft russian in a wonderhog on 3 rings with hand deploy is the bomb. nothing wrong with full retro gear as well, just some people are scared. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

He's a secret agent for the FBI sent here to in-phil-trait a roaming band of demo jumpers and take over the USsPAy. Those weird emails & post are coded text instructions to the masses or for handlers and dropbox locations. Viva revolution! Can you image that Mark Schlatter walking in singing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out.............. Yea, they would think he is nuts and kick him out! But if MaRk & PoRk R EDO both walked in a did a bar, they'd think their both fag's and kick them both out! But if THREE walked in, I mean three people, mArK, bEn & CaRy, walk in the USsPAy BOD meeting and sing a bar of Alice's Restaurant and sit down, they'd think it's a movement and that what it is my friends........ The MaRk ScHlAttEr anti USsPAy PoRk R EDO movement Massacree you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Pretty much what JP said, it all depends on the student and the other person, there are some jumpers I would want to say anything to any of my students, then there are those jumper who I would want to be trying to train, suit up, seat next too in the AC ANY female students and or students in general, next to them, some people just don't act right ever. With that said if you in control of your student during loading, seating, and making sure your ready for taxi & takeoff, by the time to you get to your first alti's you need to talk about to a CAT A-B student (in a Turbine) your already engaged by 1.5 for seat belts most places, then hard deck and so on up, there is really not much time to be social in a fast AC. I like a student to be focused on the plan, you can keep it relaxed and enjoyable without being unprofessional or allowing other actions to distract or make your student uncomfortable. (hitting on them) I've seen some places and some instructors & DZO's who treat and act like having female students coming to the dz is a "private meat market" and like to "dress the ladies" and hand out alti checks on deployment. Boy were those the days, I think once JC got sued and lost for grabbing a girls tits on opening most of that shit stopped, but I still see that kind of shit joked about and done by some on the ranks. So again it really depends on the type of interaction your talking about, I like to keep all small talk limited to free time, such as smoke/bathroom/lunch breaks or after the jumping. I always explain and invite my students in FJC as well as after their jump to enjoy the after jumping social hour. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Thank you! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

er, yea thats what I was saying, git your CG inline. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

You may have left off the part about lose'n 20 or so LBS. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

If you hold up my 77 hog next to my 74 SST, it's (still) a very BEAUTIFUL rig! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

SN 944 DOM 8-77 wonderhog w/MK-1 on BOC HD & 26 navy DOM 76. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Just go back to 06 imovie it's the better one or FCP. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

yep I do it all the time, not advised for beginners tho..... "And always watch the horizon"! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

should be on parachute manuals dot com I think, the gary louis one, I have that one and an factory issue manual. Watch for the green light.....STOOOPID! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest or thread hijack here but saying this crash is anything remotely like Hinkley 92 other then the fact it was a full load and a twin. Hinkley 92 had all kinds of shit wrong in the maintaining part, so let's start with the first link, before the pile of shit tries leave the ground! I don't have time to find the real report on the QA in West Pt. Or Hinkley, I'm sure both are on diverdriver.com. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19950911&id=YTAJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9DYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5075,2849170 Not the best report I'm sure, but it was the fastest one I could find in a quick search. This was in 1995 not all that long ago for parachute history. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

My posts. Are my views and opinions based on a good study of a number of past & present cases of the public record, where the FAA found in favor of the approved aeronautical activity :skydiving. In each if these cases :Yazoo City, Triangle, Columbus, Sacramento, Creswell, Henry County Along with access fights on other non funded airfields in TX in recent months. Many of these documents had to be read more then once in great detail, with consulting info by experts in the field at the USPA & FAA to fully understand the information contained in the documents, this one of the reasons for the use and issue of AC's. It always starts with out with one or two airfield users who have some bogus reason to everyone else but "legitimate in their mind" as to why they have a huge hard on for keeping out those who "they" don't feel deserve to be allowed the same and "equal rights" as they............. Kind of like telling black folks to use the "blacks only water fountain". While it's discrimination based on type,kind or class of approved aeronautical users and not color, it's still discrimination and it's still offering "exclusive rights" to other users, both of each is a violation of the grant funding contract. Each of these locations DZO's took on the fight and stood their ground and understood their rights to access the national airspace, some lost while it was still a win for USPA and others won out right and are now open or getting open, open with a in place dispute to be resolved still. I for one agree with those owners and the findings by the FAA to up hold the rights of ALL Airspace Users and not just those hanger queen owners and their golf buddies, who think because they have been using the airfield for the last 25 years that it is "their airport" and they get to decide who can and can't use it. Around the country :FBO's, Airport Mangers, Airport board members, city mangers, city planners, hanger queen owners, Life flight operators, AC owners, pilots, and even some DZO's, they seem to think they are "all knowing and some kind of expert" in airspace use and what is and is not safe according to them and they know more then the FAA experts, yet none of them seem to be employed as airspace safety inspectors & experts by the FAA, the regulatory agency. Yes just because some FBO who's personal opinion is right in line with that of his dad's family owned business for the last 50 years don't make it safe, right or legal under our system. And it's not his place to say who can and can't use the airport, he is NOT an expert & he don't own the airport! As you read all the reports and case files on these location there is always "that FBO guy" "that rich doctor guy" "the hanger queen" "the asshole airport manger guy" There is one in every town on every airport, even a "that skydiver guy" depending on what side of the fence your standing, some people like to try to wear both hats, but that is to be expected of them. So when you read or see what kind of actions they take or took or what they say or said , it's like playing a broken record over and over. Hey I'm all fine and dandy if you want to own and operate your own personal "Country Club Airport" for the "right kind of people" thats cool by me and all, just how about you get your freeloading hand out of my taxpayer wallet and you can go on and fund it & build it and run it anyway you want too and provide access to only those you see fit to use it with your blessing and stamp of approval. You may know a lot of the funding is a 95% to 5% split a lot of the time, but not always that split %, so those taxpayers in the local funded area are 100% owners and not 95% owners, the other 5% (or more) is out of local property taxes. So as a 100% owner in his local town of Sacramento, Mr. Garcia maybe he dose not want to move his DZ down the road a 100 miles in order to find a "friendly" airport who wants him there, he has the right like any other citizen, even a guy like Mark Schlatter (), he can open and operate his FAA Approved Aeronautical Activity as along the rules are followed that apply and no your local city zoning code don't trump the FAR's. The language contained with in FAA Order 5190, the FAR's and AC's is VERY CLEAR as to who has what rights and what rules are to be applied to whom and when. Just because some volunteer citizen advisory board, the FBO and his golf buddies, the airport manger, city manger, rich guy or whoever, wants it done one way, don't make it safe, legal or right. And it's not their place, right or rights, demands, wishes or wants to, make false claims to FAR restrictions & denials, enforce or interpret FAR's and or try to apply some type of "local law" Ban, or limit on ANY TYPE, KIND or CLASS of "Approved Aeronautical Activity". http://www.FAA.gov AC 150/5190-6, Exclusive Rights at Federally-Obligated Airports...APPENDIX 1. DEFINITIONS The FAA is the ONLY authorized agency in the USA to make rules, regulations, actions, enforcement, cite, advice, interpret, change, guidance, guidelines placed on airspace users, they are the the authorities! If Mr. Garcia wants to proceed and file a part 13 complaint that is his right as an airspace user and citizen of the USA to exercise. If the FAA finds no safety issues and sides with Mr. Garcia then Mr. Garcia is free to take it to the next level of a part 16 fight should the city not comply with the FAA findings, again it's his rights to do so and I fully support those who wish to exercise their legal rights in this country to gain airport access as long as the airport meets the requirements set forth in the FAR's. After all if you take out the word "skydiving" and change it to "banner towing" , "cropdusting" "sailplane", "sight seeing", "ultralights", "EAA", "home built" "guy in a J-3 Cub with no radio"............ The FAA looks at all factors in the safety study process and involves a number of offices at all levels from Washington DC to local are a part of a safety study. (fact) If they can start with one class, type or kind and ban it for what ever reason they wanted too then where would general aviation really be today? If you want your cake and eat it too, then pay back with interest the tax payer owners and go 100% private funding and have your up tight members only airpark and marked with a big R on the sectional. If not then play by the rules of the "public owned" sand box! As I said my posts to this thread are :"My posts. Are my views and opinions based on a good study of a number of past & present cases of the public record". any locations, coincidence, likeness, common name to those persons or person, living or dead are fictional and for discussion purposes only. These are my points of view and mine only, this is in no way an official endorsement, statement or statements of my employer,boss or wife, and or any of the following sponsors or agencies,clubs or groups: The FAA, ATC, USPA, CSPA, PCA, CBA, PBA, CIA, ABBA, NASA, NATA, NATL, NRA, ABC, NBC, CBS, CMT, TMZ, SWC, BBC, TBS, Skydive Radio, NTSB, FBI, NCIS, CSI, Men In Black, Blackwater, NAODH, ADO, FSDO, PBR, FAI, PIA, Parachutist, KBI, ATF, SSK, USSO, IgoVincent, 800Skyride, BEv-Suits, KSUSPC, BSA, KDOT, USDOT, mike & ike, windblade, Redbull, Sears, John Deere, NAFTA, AFL-CIO, NAA, Boeing, TWA, KKK, ASCAP, Nike, Sony or Coors. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I got to jump one of only 7 left in the world flying, a D-25 New Standard it had been totally restored and was in Richmond In. giving rides for a model A car club/museum festival....... Can't believe the dude let us jump it, front seat hold 4 Pax, we just exited from the lower wing. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Their to busy trying to crawl out from under the bus now. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Ok let's get this back on topic here: So you did a lot of home work and found the cash o'la to make a start on building your dream dz at your local FFA. You set up a meeting with the airport manger for a request under FAR 105.23B to operate on & above the airport. You get your meeting all set up and think it's going good. Well there is your first mistake, thinking it's going good. You should assume right away you will be met with a big F off or a hell NO! This will be accompanied with a number of "safety" issues as to why you may not operate there. You should expect to hear every stupid reason you can think of from the airport manger, airport advisory board, city commision and you need to beware that should your other area DZO's get wind of your plans, that they will be assisting the locals with misinformation, lies and half truths in order to help keep you banned or to just make your life (plans) such a pain in the ass you'll go away! Well if you know rights and hold your ground and work with in the system and put your USPA dues to good use by having a working understanding with Randy Ottinger in the government relations office, this will help you to wade throught the bullshit, plan on buying some hip waders and using them on a regular basis. The key to making your case with the FAA is to document EVERYTHING! Emails, letters, meetings can be recorded in most cases under the "open meeting act" video is a great tool to use. Everytime the asshats from the city or airport manger says something as to why you can't operate due to "safety" or "incompatiblity of airport use" ask for it in writing till you get it back in writing, you MUST CYA and provide the proof to the FAA. (remember the ADO office works for the airport sponsor to comply with the contract for funding, they don't work for you!, but will be forced too under law.) Once you get your ducks in a row and make your offical business plans, you should get a couple of letters like the ones attached. Each letter attached will show you how the progress will go 95% of the time, so by knowing your going to get told to F off in nice PC kind of way, it's best to plan for such and once you know what to expect, it's quit easy to get the asshats to say just what you need them to say in order to bring down the full weight of the FAA on them. The hard part is going to all the meetings and hoop jumping that you need to do all while keeping your cool. As you sit there and listen to a bunch of pompous ass good ol boys tell you and city officals, general public everything under the sun as to why you can't use the airport, using lies, half truths and misnformation as fact (some coming from other skydivers), you got stay cool and just smile, because if you've done your job the right way everything they say is digging the hole deeper for them with the FAA.......Document, document, document it ALL!!! Now your ready to send in your request to the local ADO office to start a part 13 informal complaint and if you've done a good job in the document dept. the FAA will get real interested real quick. Remember the FAA's moto: "We're from the FAA & we're here to help, we're not happy till your not happy!" Once the ADO office reviews your request for a part 13 informal complaint, they will go over your documents and should start the proceedings, this means they will contact the airport sponsor and ask them for a detailed accounting of their replies to you. History has shown they (airport sponsors) tend to shoot themselfs in the foot more in their replies back the the FAA because of their complete lack of understanding the grant assurances and even the FAR's. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

They (dz) already won a part 13 and the city still has the right to say NO, it's not a smart move on their part to do so and can only lead to another loss and cost them money for lawyers, but it's still their right to be retarded. At a guess the airport manger has the full blessing of the city commission, till the lawyer bills show up and the FAA wins again and withholds the future funding and or asks for repayment of past funding should they remain retarded and keep their current stance......till that happends the airport manger will remain employed, afterwards most companies fire those who cost the company millions in lost funding, and with todays econo in the country as well as Cali, looks like thin ice ahead? For a better review of many of the issues you can take a look at Know your rights - Federal Funded Airports and Access issues you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Biggest one is not doing a cannon ball style tuck on the exit of the aircraft, so you might want to pratice tonight your tuck on the floor so as you can get it right first try. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Read thru all this crap and was thinking by the title of the tread it would be about getting laid after hours and having condoms handed out as free "partner protection"..... No bootie 4 team pricks but those on your jumpsuits!..................... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Look out your window, see the plain unmarked ford crown vic with the two suits inside................ you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Well ya know.......Perris is full of trend setters.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I heard hot neon pink was making a come back. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo