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Me in Mex-E-co we don't need no stEEEEking USPA! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I don't know why all you guys have to be all dickhead like and try to hold back progress man, I mean so what if it's dangerous, sky jumping is dangerous, hell there is nothing wrong with a little added excitement for the right price, we all need to band together and start wingsuit base jumping so everyone can enjoy proximity flying at it's best and this is a good start to get everyone on the same page, just think of all the new people this will bring into the sport and bridge day too. Hell everyone said the Wright brothers were nutcases and dangerous too and now look where we are... ye all need to stop being such a bunch of wadded up panties in your crack north American wankers and get on with the rest of the worlds progress in aero sports..... dude! Hurry up and suit man, I'll video. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I own six systems and while most (not always) the time you will have DZO's who will be happy to see you show up on busy days and are willing to pay you for the rig rental, the biggest problem is having some flaming asshole TI's who bitch about your gear and how much money you make with it, yet they who bitch the most have no investment or cost to maintain very expensive gear and are crying about it because they think your taking all the work/money from them. The trick is finding DZO's who understand the value of TI's who own gear and are willing to have it used on busy days to help handle the volume of pax. And finding those kind of DZO's is becoming harder to do. When I shot video full time the TI's would bitch to the DZO all the time about video people making more then they do per jump, yet none of those assholes had invested 4 or 5 grand in gear on their head & editing crap to do the job, you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Bill, So sorry to hear of this loss of Peggy, my deepest and sincere condolences to you and your family. glass raised. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Only the drug runners use that stuff so they don't show up on radar. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

open dust covers, thumbs in rings, cough cough, eyes on reserve handle..... who's bright idea was it to wear this god*^$#^% smoke..... Kiddie's today don't have a clue..... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

That reserve is not looking to round... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

He is a forensic photography expert and he can analyze a photograph using forensic methods to determine the circumstances under which the subject in the photograph is properly performing parachute emergency handle applications and is a highly skilled internet skydiving instructor.... Some might say he's the most interesting man in the world! He don't always drink beer.... but when he dose he prefers Dos Equis.... “stay thirsty my friends”! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

So how much money are YOU putting up to help replace it? If lone your rig out and it's ripped off, I bet you wouldn't be real happy regardless of make model or DOM... While I understand your just joking around here, IMHO it's shows some real poor taste on your part. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

damn dude that sucks, where was your car? on dz or in town? you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

First thing, I didn't say he did or didn't know shit.... Just pointing out the fact that because a person works for USPA will not make them an automatic expert in all things aviation related, such as access rights, other wise Randy O. would be out a job, nothing shitty about pointing that out. Sorry dude but you continue to make statements that speak loudly of your total lack of understanding the current FAA order 5190 B and it's additional advisory circulars.... so if I have to dumb it down for you to grasp, I'll try only once or twice... What part of : Do you not understand? That is a clear violation of 5190/150-7 and is economic discrimination in the eyes of the FAA's grant funding contract. I said: You reply: So you think telling a FBO or SASO operator to move off airport property to conduct business or jump op's, is finding some kind of loop hole eh..... I got news for you sir that is a clear cut case of violations of the grant funding contract and very easy to prove when the airport sponsor is stating such in the news media. I said: Your reply: As to my mind, maybe a tad dealing with twits who don't comprehend the written guidance and force taking part in an FAA enforcement action. As to the FAA not caring about skydivers..... First of all maybe if you try to remove your emotions from this topic you might start to understand the points being made here. 1. remove the word skydiving and use any other approved aeronautical activity, the FAA has made clear it is to be a fair and equal playground for all approved aeronautical activity's! And they have backed it up with case findings in favor of skydiving: see Yazoo city Ms. & Skydive Paris Tn Vs Henry Co. part 16 wins, that is direct wording from the general counsel (FAA lawyers) in Washington DC. and Or a skydiving school! If the FBO or flight school can have a class room on site or life flight can have sleeping quarters on site..... then so can any other commercial user who meets the minimum standards as long as the standards are uniformly applied & attainable! And with that continued type of attitude in the ranks it's no wonder that other aviators and airport sponsors think they can walk all over our rights, this is not 1975 anymore and with today's modern sport operating million dollar aircraft and being held to higher standards by the FAA and NTSB, we are in fact given a shit about in many ways today by the FAA. That even means on airport access we are being represented and in fact the FAA will not stand for unequal access rights, if what I'm saying don't hold water then we wouldn't see the likes of : Rich Grimm & Tsunami Skydivers, Oceanside ,CA Abbie Marshal & Snake river skydiving Greg Upper & The Triangle Skydiving Center Using the very information I'm quoting and talking about to win approval to access their airports of choosing.... If anyone is in need of a reality pill and maybe a shot of tequila... It might be you, noting personal dude, just saying. Instead of spending so much of your time to try to fight me on this, try getting up to speed here and help Jim and skydive west point to win this battle in a non emotional and educated and factual manner! Good day. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Then I guess you better comply or risk getting screwed in a court of law? you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I have read every post on FB by Jim, but just because he works for the USPA don't mean he knows shit about Government Relations, that is Randy Ottinger's job and he spends a great deal of his time rubbing elbows with the big wigs on the Capital Hill in FAA and he dose a damn good job of it... Jim I'm sure is becoming educated in an expressed manner. It is a common misunderstanding that this is not an access case, I advise you to reread the airport compliance handbook and it's accompanied advisory circulars till you understand it fully. FYI- I have used a couple common tactics used in current pending part 13 & part 16 cases to try to make a point & as an EXAMPLE....... I never said that is the case here, but the insurance one is pretty close. What is funny here is here you have one airport sponsor saying... "you can skydive here but you must move your business off airport property" And in another current pending part 13 case the airport sponsor is saying,.... "you can have your business here and build a hanger, but all skydiving & parachuting MUST take place off airport property" These types of things don't sit well with the FAA and in fact there is a very high level meeting that should be taking place in Washington DC (I think after first of the year) all about the very things we are talking about, it is my understanding that the FAA in DC has sent out a memorandum to all field offices and regional ADO's telling them to halt any and all finding or rulings on skydiving operations until the head honchos in DC have this meeting and issues more clear guidance... Why? Because not only do the general public, airport sponsors and others like you who read the current FAA orders and AC's that are the guidance to follow here NOT understanding it..... But even the FAA field inspectors fail to understand & follow their own friken rules! That is why, and it's happening in more then one current pending case. Again IMHO, this is a great case for many reasons that USPA and Jim should use this issue to help educate a couple high ranking FAA people, who I personally know have already expressed an interest in a "tour" of modern skydiving operations to better understand skydiving operations.... It is my understanding that this was going to happen this season, until a medical issue put it off...... I'll give you one guess what DZ was picked to be "toured". you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

CDRINF, I never said it was about prohibiting skydiving, however under the FAA grant funding contracts this is an airport access issue on many levels plain and simple. Mr. Stewart, not attacking you sir, but when you make such statements as you have, it tells me you don't fully understand FAA order 5190B airport compliance manual nor it's accompanying advisory circulars 5190/150-6 & 5190/150-7 Have any of you who keep blowing the "it not an airport access" horn ever heard of "economic discrimination" ? From 5190/150-7http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/advisory_circular/150-5190-7/150_5190_7.pdf When the new airport manger and new board start in on some bullshit about how the dz must carry a one million dollar insurance policy for parachutes that fail to open and other such outlandish requirements that are in fact unattainable they are now in violation for their contract, you can not require something that you can't get, nor can you require (for example) a skydiving operator to get a "special use permit" and no other users such as life flight. You also can't require one commercial operator to house a major part of his business off the airport property while allowing another to do so, like a flight school having on site classrooms and banning the skydiving center class rooms to off site. both are violations of exclusive rights & are unjustly discriminatory. All of this new crap about fire codes etc. it just the latest bullshit in an ongoing attempt to remove skydiving from the airport. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

What are the rules in your country as to ratings to be held, in other words are you required to have a MFG's rating that could be revoked? If not then what can they really do to you? you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Could you please scan or link the news story. Mr. Stewart, There are a number of items that Mr. Crouch and I talked about, it is his place to make public those things, it is also his place to not make light those items, for one thing anyone getting ready to take on legal action would be well advised to hold ones cards close to chest, no reason to share the game plan with the other team before kickoff. And as for your "pound sand" comments, that show you really have no understanding of how the FAA views such actions by airport sponsors and how they will take action to adjust your attitude , should you fail to comply with your grant funding contract they can and will sue you in federal district court as well as cut off your funding.... then see who will be pounding sand. http://www.uspa.org/NewsEvents/News/tabid/59/ctl/Detail/mid/797/xmid/3018/xmfid/19/Default.aspx In the linked part 16 case (above) if you read the full case file, the DZO still lost because he was an asshat and out of line, however USPA was able to step up and correct improper actions taken by the city and the FAA in favor of skydiving. Also worth a read is this case, you'll have to search it because I don't know how to make the files 300 kb or less, or ask Randy Ottinger for a copy. UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION WASHINGTON, DC ____________________________________ Skydive Paris Inc. Complainant v. Henry County, Tennessee Docket No. 16-05-06 you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

It is on many levels, a sponsor can't require insurance that you can't get such as a million dollar policy for parachuting or saying you can take off and land here but you have to have your business off site and other things like that, there is more to the story here then is public, I have spoke to Jim first hand and I know his side of this... It is in fact a part 13 or part 16 type case. My point to unstable is the AAD funding, many other people will read it and not have a clue what a part 13 or 16 is and I provided the additional link for their education. As for Jim being a paid USPA guy and the USPA backing him, well I would hope so, there are a number of pending access cases across the country, and if an airport sponsor can start to fuck with a guy like Jim, then it can happen anywhere or place, I can't think of a better case for a few people at FAA in DC to learn about airport sponsor harassment and violations of their contractual obligations. http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/advisory_circular/150-5190-6/150_5190_6.pdf http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/advisory_circular/150-5190-7/150_5190_7.pdf you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

It's a F-111 421 made for RW- shop, now called UPT by PD, yes he is sure.... Don't question the rigging god of the great white north! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

The problem here is most members fail to understand how that fund works. First and foremost you MUST proceed with the full process of the FAA complaint process, that means, first a part 13 informal complaint, in that process a number of things can or can not happen that could favor the person or business making the claims and requires enough facts to be true in order for the FAA to take action, such as a safety study, the whole process can take a couple years if the FAA find enough facts to proceed. It could be resolved because the airport sponsor is educated and understands it contractual duties to the tax payers, or they can say fuck off. At some point the part 13 informal complaint becomes a part 16 formal complaint and then the lawyers get involved and the cost skyrockets for the person or business making the compliant, and the airport sponsors, in most cases have deep pockets thanks to your tax dollars and the person/ business may or may not have a pile of cash. Regardless of the amount of cash you have to take on such an undertaking, you MUST spend a substantial amount of your own money FIRST to fight the fight..... after you have spent your own pile of cash you can then file a request for AAD funds to the full BOD. The BOD then can choose to award you a reimbursement for your expense or they too can say fuck off. The USPA will not back or spend money on a lost cause, you must stand a chance of winning your case and, the case more then likely will have a national impact for all of skydiving.... (in other words, they don't just hand out money for each airport/DZ problem) In the most recent case of Skydive Sacramento, Mr. Garcia had spent almost 3 years and a large amount of funding to fight the city and airport sponsor, he even bought land next to the airport so he could operate his business while undertaking the FAA part 13 informal & part 16 formal complaint process, the BOD awarded him 2000 dollars total.... his lawyers fees are more then likely in excess of 25 K and climbing to this date and the part 16 formal case is still pending a finding, last I checked. For more information in understanding the part 13 and part 16 process you can read "this" (please note the FAA made changes to many links in this thread, but the numbers are still searchable on the FAA website www.faa.gov) you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

A D-bag come's to mind and not the kind for canopies. To the OP, real skydivers don't need no stinkin booties! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Did the same folks who did that one also did this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CivSgzxFcdg&feature=player_embedded#! This one is much better. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Thought that myself, but it's a pretty good fake and a lot of people not in aviation fall for it. I don't recall seeing it posted here it's making the rounds on facebook. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

If this is a repost, it's news to me. http://www.elrellano.com/videos_online/2596/el-mejor-piloto.html you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

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Not as messed up as a molar strap left in place. And paddles don't hurt as much as shot bags... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo