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you mean: listed by YOU! since you are self-appointed IN CHARGE OF ........ COOPERLAND! This Cooperland you keep referring to and citing. Where is it? Who is it? Except between your ears? You don't know anything about anything! You are simply creating then playing back-stories you alone create. You sure don't seem to know or care what anyone else thinks! Who's the BIGGEST CHUMP in Cooperland?

Blevins, Here we go again! If you had taken time to read Himmelsbach's book, you would know that the FBI had initially been directed to "assist" NWA in whatever manner NWA wanted to do. The FBI did NOT have charge of the initial response in Seattle. So if the events in Seattle were screwed up, it was by NWA. Don't blame the FBI for NWA's mistakes, assuming any "mistakes" were made by anyone in Seattle. Since you don't have any law enforcement experience or training in the first place, all of your advice to the FBI 42 years after the hijacking is just another example of your self-serving posts. On the matter of the oxygen bottles, you don't know what you are talking about there either. In the early 1970s yellow oxygen bottles were routinely carried in the cabins of jet airliners and I spent quite a bit of time sitting close to them. The yellow oxygen bottles were low pressure (about 400 PSI, that is why they were painted yellow) and were portable. They were used to provide the flight attendants with a mobile oxygen supply as they moved about the cabin during decompressions at altitude. In case of a passenger medical emergency, they could also be used to provide more oxygen to that passenger than would be available from the normal cabin air. These oxygen bottles were normally mounted on a bulkhead and/or at one end of the cabin or another. And they were NOT hidden. They were mounted in plain sight and had fast mounting releases so that the flight attendants could grab them and get to where the problem was in a hurry. All Cooper was telling Tina was that he knew what those yellow bottles contained. All this means is that Cooper had enough aviation experience to know where the oxygen was if he needed it at 10,000 feet. This was a couple of thousand feet higher than the normal cabin pressure altitude in that era which was usually about 8000 feet or less. Your statements about how you wanted the FBI to do your homework in the KC matter have been deleted from the above. You and Jo Weber using the FBI as a whipping boy for apparently not doing anything to support your allegations about KC and Duane Weber is just another example of how shameless both of you can be. Robert99 ... correction to the above ... "shameless and ineffectual" But your words will not phase them. That isn't why they are here or what they are about even remotely. In fact criticism seems to feed their ego's!

The guy in that photo looked very familiar to me. It finally hit me -- Christopher Walken! Does anyone else see that? with a little photo shopping 101 what the hell -

Like I said, I've read and watched a lot about the Long island flight myself, and while i don't consider myself an expert, even a wikipedia one, on all and sundry that comes up on this thread, there are some questions that are still out there to anyone with even a a little intellectual curiosity. But this isn't a thread about that so I'm just going to let that be. But about DB Cooper.....First it's highly doubtful that the FBI was calling all of the shots at that point. Second - How do you know they don't have fingerprints? Fingerprint 101 as you like to say, is that they have to have someone or a set on file to compare it to. Two containers - what is to stop him from throwing both away? Plus if they can get fingerprints off of a canvas bag, why can't they just get them off of the parachute and canister he left behind on the plane? Or the glass he drank out of of? Or the seats he touched? Or DNA from the cords that he cut? A camera? Why would Northwest or the FBI endanger the lives of the passengers and crew like that? Were cameras the quiet little marvels of technology that we see today? The ones I remember were large loud shutterbugs that needed flash to do anything in low light. Other than the fact that hindsight and 40 years has made us so much smarter than the FBI was then, people tend to forget that this guy had a flippin bomb and was threatening to BLOW THEM UP - or they thought he did and that is enough. On the question of oxygen, if that conversation came from Geoff Gray - I'm not convinced that he didn't paraphrase and embellish some of the conversations in the book. (Not intentional maybe, but literary license to make the story read better) I've found quite a few discrepancies against what is in the publicized records, ckret's statements and GG's book. Not to mention that GG just ran with the whole Kenny paid over 14,000 in cash for a house without checking into that. My point being if you can be that cavalier about something that is a primary basis for KC being Cooper, I don't know - just doesn't inspire much trust in the rest of the book. But that's just me... Cooper Info - 70% REDUCTION - POST XMAS FIRE SALE!@ GET IT WHILE ITS HOT OR NOT. we need to clear our shelves to accommodate future Cooperland myths at 20,000x what it cost us to make. Let us know your needs! We are here 24/7.

yum yum. more more! 20 Guesses. Americans and Wage Earner Sheeple can't wait! Does he look like - this guy! ?

I have had similar thoughts about "ear muffs"! Do you have any thoughts about the "baseball cap band industry"! ? Americans and Wage Earner Sheeple want the "inside dope" .

There are other options. One is: it could be official speak added by some third, fourth, or 18th party, even a typist! Example: I call in and say ' There is a guy in a costume, looks like a cat suit, with a crowbar, trying to break into my back door'. Emergency Dispatcher puts the message out: 'There is a lynx genus Felis rexroadensis caught in a 8x12 bed sheet out at Georger's place. Georger is beating the cat senseless with a crowbar and requests assistance.I have copied Animal Control on this who will be joining you enroute ... ' Who are you going to believe? And what do you suppose the deputy is going to find when he gets there! ? This kind of thing happens all the time when morons get in control of official communications and official records. It generates a lot of work for detectives, lawyers, and psychiatrists! That is the world we live in! Many people expect that everything word written means something and is a clue. Georger, are you suggesting the phrase of "negotiable American currency" could be the result of something as innocent as a high profile game of "telephone"? Even if he said this it doesnt mean he was a foreigner. Since the full phrase occurs in some documents but not others one has to assume it may not represent Cooper's actual words. The exact nature and accuracy of the documents themselves is at question. [I will take a genetic haplotype on this guy over his supposed words, any hour of the day.] It sounds like official redundancy-speak to me, on the part of crew or someone in official capacity. If these are Cooper's words it could be redundancy on his part. For example the word "negotiable" is almost redundant on its own merit. He has asked for $200,000 dollars. Is there any doubt what he wants or such a thing as "non-negotiable" payment involved? Cash is assumed, not a check payable only at the Seafirst bank in person. Negotiable means convertible anywhere .. so 'negotiable' is implicit, but also redundant on somebody's part. US is redundant in the same way. He could be some guy from Boston headed for Algeria and US dollars (universal medium of exchange) are going to be involved in any event and preferred. Put this in the context of other things/phrases Cooper used which are straight out of American middle class linguistic euphemisms. Later -

You ARE aware we put the dog back in the ground because he had been wrapped in plastic and in a heavy duty high impact storage crate. The smell after 7 yrs was horrible. We did NOT examine the remains as he was still entact....I was looking for a pill bottle. Duane took one to the garage and wanted to be alone with Symba. He obviously prepared him for burial. When I asked him what he had - his reply was - "something I want to put with Symba". He didn't tell me what it was, but when the remains were opened the smell was so bad - there was NOT much probing around. I could not afford to have him picked up for an examination of the box and remains...so we put him back in the ground. What religion had this cat? Jewish? Methodist? Buddhist? It matters ..... if "Cooperland" is going to be spot-on accurate in it's 17th revision !

Are you aware that Jo got a dead dog exhumed based on her conviction that Cooper evidence was buried with it? 377 ... and, she blamed Larry Carr and the FBI for losing the maggots for later testing! Blevins and Skip Porteous agreed! It's chapter 237 in some new book titled: Cooperland Uber Alles Sheer babble. Do you use EVERY post by EVERYONE to talk shit about Skipp Porteous and yours truly? Or is it just EVERY OTHER post... And I have requested previously that you lay off the Third Reich references, even indirectly, if you are going to mention my name in the same post. You want to see a real reference? Try this one. ... if the shoe fits ... You don't have a copy write or patent on the word - Cooperland!

There are other options. One is: it could be official speak added by some third, fourth, or 18th party, even a typist! Example: I call in and say ' There is a guy in a costume, looks like a cat suit, with a crowbar, trying to break into my back door'. Emergency Dispatcher puts the message out: 'There is a lynx genus Felis rexroadensis caught in a 8x12 bed sheet out at Georger's place. Georger is beating the cat senseless with a crowbar and requests assistance.' Who are you going to believe? And what do you suppose the deputy is going to find when he gets there! ? This kind of thing happens all the time when morons get in control of official communications and official records. It generates a lot of work for detectives and psychiatrists! Yes, of course, duh, it couldn't be the hijacker or the crew, it has to be that the transcript is wrong.. some other American added it somewhere along the line... jeez, one wonders what else they added,, maybe the entire transcript is a fabrication. How do we even know that there was a hijacking?? I assure you every culture has goggles and bad performing literalists! Try running an international corporation for a day and see what you find! Or conducting science across language and cultural boundaries with different rules and requirements . . . affects the prices of things just for a start ... What do we do? We interview and cross check official sources and compare physical evidence ... 'negotiable american currency' could be a redundancy ... something self evident to an outsider looking in ... not spoken by Cooper at all or at least in that exact form ... but then added by a 'literalists' who are trying to be precise (in performance of their training and jobs etc). So some jerk doesn't fill a bag full of bus tokens or fake money to try and pass off on Cooper ? And 'denomination doesn't matter' ? WTF is that in the world of literalism ! ??? The assumption is made somebody somewhere has the truth when in fact that may not be the case ... and memories fade quickly. The FBI usually gets tagged with having the truth if they would only cough it up ... and they may be as foggy on some point years later as anyone else! I will say this again: this case involved a lot of agencies and entities represented by a lot of different people, all with many different levels of expertise. People were not always on the same page or even had the same information. That is how the real world works. I understand your dilemma if nobody else does! Very likely this case will continue to be researched for years to come - for better and sometimes for worse. Along the way a few illuminations may occur ... that is the most anyone can hope for imho.

Are you aware that Jo got a dead dog exhumed based on her conviction that Cooper evidence was buried with it? 377 ... and, she blamed Larry Carr and the FBI for losing the maggots for later testing! Blevins and Skip Porteous agreed! It's chapter 237 in some new book titled: Cooperland Uber Alles

There are other options. One is: it could be official speak added by some third, fourth, or 18th party, even a typist! Example: I call in and say ' There is a guy in a costume, looks like a cat suit, with a crowbar, trying to break into my back door'. Emergency Dispatcher puts the message out: 'There is a lynx genus Felis rexroadensis caught in a 8x12 bed sheet out at Georger's place. Georger is beating the cat senseless with a crowbar and requests assistance.I have copied Animal Control on this who will be joining you enroute ... ' Who are you going to believe? And what do you suppose the deputy is going to find when he gets there! ? This kind of thing happens all the time when morons get in control of official communications and official records. It generates a lot of work for detectives, lawyers, and psychiatrists! That is the world we live in!

Here are the references... From the handwritten crew notes: "negotiable currency" From the transcript: "He wants negotiable American currency. Denomination not important" From ckret's post on Dropzone: "He asked for negotiable US currency" His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! Yes, you make a very good point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock And if he was going to Mexico, he might have wished they had.

*** His stated destination was: MEXICO. They could have given him pesos! US currency is/was a universal medium of exchange. It's all subjective in any event. My perspective on this is coloured due to the fact there are other things he definitely 'said and did' which are in the official record which have NOT been released to the public, or ever seen the light of day on any internet forum including this one, or ever published in anyone's book including Gray's, are not on Tom Kaye's website or anywhere is his teams work etc. .. which make "negotiable US currency' subjective and probably irrelevant, in any event. All things in good time ...

Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research. you miss the point, I STATED,, either the hijacker said it OR somebody added it,, WHY would somebody add it if they were American.. would an American add it to the narrative.. Why would any American add "American" to describe the currency. and you sir miss the WHOLE POINT! He never said it - period! The issue is facts vs myths, in case you care.

The use of the phrases "front" and "back" chutes are also used to draw inferences about the hijacker. I don't think we can draw conclusions from that. They may not mean anything. It could just be phrases picked up somewhere. Maybe some other story? Maybe to throw them off? Do other nations have non-negotiable currency that might lead someone to use that word? (I believe there is non-negotiable US currency -- $100,000 bill was only used for interbank transactions). I am a foreigner and American currency is an international currency accepted and used almost everywhere,, in fact, I have American and Canadian currency in my wallet right now,, It is necessary to distinguish "American" currency in verbal discourse.. I would never use "negotiable" but that is a term a criminal might use. "negotiable" means transferrable.. As a foreigner, I can say absolutely that I would say that phrase without even thinking.. it is automatic. So, IF the hijacker said "American" currency, he was likely a foreigner, but then why would the American crew add "American" currency to the narrative. .. The issue is not what you would do, but what DBC did! Does that compute? Do you work for Adventire Books Housecleaning?

Or: there is no way to know if you are RobertMBlevins!

Not sure where Bruce got his information from..but... The phrase..from the flight crew's handwritten notes written during the hijacking....was "negotiable currency". The transcript (305 talking) has the phrase "Wants money in negotiable American currency. Denomination not important". I will be the first to attest that it is hard to keep all of this stuff straight with all of the misinformation that has been reported over the years. Yes, if the hijacker did in fact use that phrase, he would have been a foreigner, so that phrase has to be explained ex the hijacker to maintain an American as a suspect.. Bruce suggested that it was interjected by the crew,, however, that makes less sense as they are all American,, Why would someone other than the hijacker use that phrase?? Something is fishy here?? you can't have it both ways, you can't argue that the crew added it when they are all American AND argue the hijacker didn't say it because he had to be American. I can't see why an American crew would add the phrase and if they didn't then it came from the hijacker and if the hijacker said it, he is very likely a foreigner. In other words, it is LESS likely that the crew added the phrase than it coming from the hijacker. I hate it when people edit their original posts AFTER I have responded and i see I just did the same thing. Sorry... I am reposting my edit...... Edited to add....Bruce has interviewed a lot of folks...was he saying that this was something the crew wrote or said in two different places that the hijacker didn't actually say? (referring to "negotiable currency" from notes and "negotiable American currency" from transcript) OR... was he just contesting the use of the word "American" and saying the hijacker only said "negotiable currency" as per the notes? lol...never mind.....I see you did it too.. quiz: a famous person in the dbc case turned "negotiable American currency" into a hot button. It was not Bruce! Who was it? Hint: Her first name is Carol!

And as has been pointed out to you before when you made that observation........Robert, the point was and is..that Tina had the opportunity to interact with him as they were both standing - so she had a point of comparison. As did the gate attendant and ticket agent. As probably did the other flight attendants. Again they had a point of comparison - did they have to look up to talk to him, straight on, or look down? In the cabin, could Tina look at the top of the luggage compartment and say "he came up to here"? Knowing where someone stacks up in relation to cabin height as both are standing isn't exactly rocket science. Cabin height would be another valid reference point. Bear in mind that these descriptions were captured and documented in the moment. In your scenario, you were likely sitting down looking up at someone walking down the aisle. From that angle it might very well be likely that you would misjudge someone's height. They don't call em optical "delusions" for nothing. Yes, the other passengers - if they noticed him at all - only observed him as they were sitting or as he was sitting. Judging someone's height as they are sitting (if you are not sitting right next to them) might not be so easy - did he have a long torso and short legs, or vice versa? If I were sitting ahead or across from him, how would I know how long his legs were? (Plus, remember, at the time, according to Carr, most of the passengers had no idea what was going on and really had no reason to study him for a later description **btw.... search for Carr's post about the passengers who noticed Cooper and were able to give a description - and note who is NOT on there). (Not saying he didn't leave out a name due to privacy reasons, just putting it out there as posted) But back to the point - the other passenger descriptions are not the descriptions that I would put as much credence in as I would the people who had personal interaction with him AND had relative comparison points by sitting or standing next to him. short version of yours above: Blevins is NOT Archimedes!

Or ... he never said that! READ THE THREAD. It's old advice but you need to check FACTS BEFORE leaping to theory. Facts vs myth. Hot button theory vs. actual research.

Blanked out? Are you REALLY that angry at me? Let me carry your bags to the desk at the Reality Hotel and have the bellboy take them upstairs. Here's the Real Deal: Cooper investigators who choose not to tell the public who they are, and what credentials make them deserving of respect...deserve no respect. Meanwhile, I will continue to answer questions from the public FOR you. Do you think that is a good idea, or even fair? I have better things to do. Someone else needs to step up and take some of these questions from the public. Unless you want me to fill in all the answers for you to anyone with anything I wish. Wake up call. Well that's another interesting theory on your part. It is working in reverse in your case! That alone does not recommend it to others!

Blanked out? Are you REALLY that angry at me? Let me carry your bags to the desk at the Reality Hotel and have the bellboy take them upstairs. Here's the Real Deal: Cooper investigators who choose not to tell the public who they are, and what credentials make them deserving of respect...deserve no respect. Meanwhile, I will continue to answer questions from the public FOR you. Do you think that is a good idea, or even fair? I have better things to do. Someone else needs to step up and take some of these questions from the public. Unless you want me to fill in all the answers for you to anyone with anything I wish. Wake up call. As the man said its none of your business - period. Stop threatening people here, Blevins, or yet another complaint will be filed against you with Quade. Wake up call! Stop trolling - your shift is over.

That was quick! Maybe wait till Ive clicked the post button next time BEFORE you post ???? Do my posts appear in your time zone BEFORE IVE EVEN CLICKED THE BUTTON HERE ? more what-ifs! .... dont you have a JOB or something? Monitor here 24/7 ... $1000 from you moma? How old are you! ??? dont you have a JOB or something? why do you post all of your personal laundry here - ? Pretty tacky!

Thanksgiving at that time in Nov is a US only date,,, a foreigner would not recognize it, Don't you think a personal document with fingerprints and possible DNA would work. after this amount of time has passed that is all we can do, . I have tried to track him back in the 1970-72 time frame and I just can't confirm anything,, too much time has passed. Everyone is dead. His culture was primarily french... I have spent hours and hours translating french documents.. I do have copies of his handwriting in english and in french. My understanding is that the hijacker left no handwriting,,, .. So far you have posed several 'what-ifs'. What-if Custer had been a transvestite? Would the women have poked out his ear drums to clarify his hearing ability ... in the next world reincarnation? Do you eat buffalo? What-if ? What-if Tom Kaye's particles are a plant!?

I mostly switched to EE bulbs a while ago. Incandescents are so...well...Edison and all.