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I have never seen Jerry prove anything he says here on DZ. Quote Nor alas have you the Great Pretender who wont even tell the world what you want! What do you want? What exactly are you looking for, for 13+ years work? Fame? Riches? A bronze statue? Legitimacy? Someone to hold your hand ? Being embalmed and dug up in 3000 years as Queen Jo of the USA? An Oscar? WHAT IS IT YOU WANT? Everybody wants something. Or are you only about torture and terrorising people? Is self torture and torturing people an end in itself for you so this (whatever it is) will go on forever? What do you want! ???

Right, the picture did show what I believe to be chutes - but it did state volunteers for a new program - perhaps the program got ditched - but that one photo was on a site similar to DZ. The photo mentioned either San Quentin or Folsom..I found this the same time I found the program about the Nickels. This was early 2000 just a couple of months after I bought a computer - didn't really know what I was doing - maybe I conjured up some ghosts with my stupidity...? I know I searched key words - Forestry, smoke jumpers, WW11 jumpers, prisons, Folsom, San Quentin, CA, OR. WA, ID, NV. Firefighters - that was my original focus. I know I didn't imagine it and I know that picture exists out there some place - in some file. Lots of things are put on the computer and removed I know this was a site related to the above items. Believe me - I periodically do a search myself - hoping it will POP back up - and since this occurred around the time the FBI lied to me - who knows what happened to the pic (especially if it had any bearing on my speculations at that time). Jo won't be around for a couple of days - and I expect some of you might get wind of what is blowing around in WA right now or at least by Monday. There are a lot of things going on that NO one suspects or has any knowledge of at this time. Maybe when all is said and done WE will be no closer to solving this than anyone else - but since the co-operation of individuals far beyond the scope of this forum and beyond the scope of any Cooper investigation to have been done in the past, we are at least hopeful some truths never known before will be revealed to the public. As scary as this is to me - I have gone where NO one has dared to go before - because I know who Dan Cooper was...and I have absolutely nothing to loose and if there is any gain outside of the truth - I am NOT the one who will benefit. Hopefully the expenses and time of myself and the others will be off set, but the only objective is the TRUTH. This old crime has altered too many lives - because of secrets. It is time to change that.....it is time for the truth...and time for the secrets to be put aside. Face it - when the truth is known, there will be those who refuse to believe - because the legend is so deeply ingrained and "Others" do NOT want the truth to ever be know...and will refute it. 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Really Jo, do tell us. 377 Jo will never tell. If you think thats entertaining then you must be the most bored person on the planet.

I had to come back and quickly edit out some of the above - Sorry...even at this I have said WAY too much and there is MUCH more. What a load of crap. Oh dear 377, and you still await stuff? Come on, show us you are rational... that you learn from past experience ... please Jo is the only one sane here. Its the rest who are nuts. Jo is sitting back laughing her ass off . Jo got what she wanted: attention. Its all manipulation. Anyone who doesnt see that is worse off than Jo! Right Jerry? Nothing I say is going to matter in any event and Jo knows that too!

You've also claimed that Duane had Ranger training but off the books and off the base. I think that is also incorrect. You said you can prove Duane has made a parachute jump. What are you waiting for? Where's the beef? Just remember Duane was dying, in a hospital, in a room, in a bed, abd died ... but he was not dying nor did he give a "death bed confession" 'as Pasternak' says, Jo and Sluggo now imply. The next thing that gets parsed out is - Jo was never here, which is what Ive been assuming all along! Pasternak quoted: In March 1995, a Florida antique dealer named Duane Weber lay dying of polycystic kidney disease in a Pensacola hospital. He called his wife, Jo, to his bed and whispered: "I'm Dan Cooper." Jo, who had learned in 17 years of marriage not to pry too deeply into Duane's past, had no idea what her secretive husband meant. Frustrated, he blurted out: "Oh, let it die with me!" Duane died 11 days later. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/doubleissue/mysteries/cooper.htm

It would buy 16 meals for Georger and 100 for a jumper. The dollar menu at McD's is corporate welfare for skydivers. The heart surgeons, interventional cardiologists and stent mfrs subsidize the program. Jo is really amazing in that she still has the ability to market her extraordinary claims and generate interest. I mean I am POSITIVE that she will not really prove Duane was a parachutist, but I still eagerly await the revelation, wondering if just this once she may be right and is not just teasing us. Who is crazier, Jo with her wildly speculative claims or those who still wait for the next one even with a modicum of excited expectation. I know the answer Georger, you dont have to tell me. 377 well one of our local McMac's at a mall here are in the news for serving old hardened $1 stuff with rotten brown lettuce - seems nothing goes to waste at McMacs here, so be careful of your $1 dried out moldy meal if is from today and not last Thursday?

Save your bill. The search was already made by people qualified to do such searches. People make claims all the time.

I'll place another bet. There have never been prison inmate smoke jumpers in the USA. I've looked everywhere, corresponded with old smoke jumpers and there is no evidence that an inmate smoke jumper program ever existed. Prisoners did do a lot of ground based firefighting but I see no evidence that they jumped. Smoke jumper history is very well documented. I looked in those archives to verify that Sheridan "Pete" Peterson was a smoke jumper. No Duane Weber was listed and no John Collins either. 377 Good work.

Have you ever seen a Lunar Yeti footprint. Behold. Or the Mars face monolith?

The tower scared the shit out of me... we had a guy slam into one when he did not slip the right way..away from the tower. I am really curious what your species is... I hear there are furryy critters running around the death woods ya know. I was at Benning in 1975 and they were awarded at the end of jump week...after I successfully exited and landed from a USAF aircraft for the 5th time.. just like the couple hundred others in the class. No I did not earn the Iron Mike I was rather undistinguished but I made it thru the training... I think the award won by a NAVY guy which really pissed off all the grunts. I am sure the name of a building has great significance to you since everything on an Army post seemed to be named after some dead guy like SFC Some Dead Guy Memorial Somethng or Other, but I was USAF and only there for 3 weeks 35 years ago, can you tell me the name of the barracks I was in at Eilson AFB in 1972? Oh God! Here we go . . . . Dids you see that photo of the Yeti finder Jerry posted?

what is that thing? ! antenna? anal probe?

Really? Because I was thinking his ghost still haunts us. I've never liked people that are cowards and hide behind their own internet anonymity while berating and invading other's privacy. I have little sympathy for them. It really doesn't take too much for me to want to ban them for life since their accounts are meaningless to begin with. I'm more willing to deal with known individuals. I've never liked people that are cowards and hide behind their own internet anonymity while berating and invading other's privacy who claim to have the Higgs-Boson and are threatening the world with it coming out of a "potato canon" !?

Let's just cut her a break and just call it a hospital bed confession. Who really cares under what circumstances his Cooper confession was made if Duane was lieing? Nothing so far pans out despite claims that Duane had Ranger training, was a govt spook, was an inmate smoke jumper etc etc. Lots of claims, zero proof. More claims coming, be ready. What we do know is that Duane was a rather ordinary crook who got caught a LOT. He seemed to do well with women too convincing quite a few to marry him. I don't think Duane knew the difference between an ink well and a Capewell and I'll bet that he never parachuted, not even once. Have Amazon and Jerry settled their suspicions regarding whether the other person is a bonafide military trained jumper? Jerry, click on Amazon's avatar and you see some biographical info. I'll be she has more in servce C9 canopy rides than any woman ever. I still miss Snowmman's input. Quade ought to let him back on at some point. A life sentence seems too extreme. 377 Jo's whole story and 13 years of antics are about Jo, not about Duane OR DB. Cooper. Jo might as well have claimed to be Meliva Maric's cousin who has special secret inside info that Maric invented Realtivity and the Egg McMuffin and is therefore owed $13Trillion in back wages and a Congressional change in how and who operates the FBI, NSA, CIA, RVP, and XYZ. What Jo Weber wants is to "underdstand", she says ... and take her place alongside Zeus on the road to "undertanding". She has been playing the "Im an old woman who just wants to know" card since Jo began. And she hasnt said "have a nice day" to anyone yet ........... in 13+ years! Thats adds up to .....

but the odds are much more in favor of Apple stock going up than finding DB Cooper. Apple stock is a good bet. The odds of finding Cooper's maternal line are very good *IF Cooper's dna exists on the evidence. It is just a matter of searches and time. In the meantime Apple and its stock may cease to exist. The Cooper story won't.

1st the mis-quote: Jo has denied that Duane’s statement about him being Cooper was a “death-bed” confession every since my first contact with her (in 2003). Others have used that terminology (authors, journalist, i-Net posters, etc.) but Jo has never said it. I have documentation to prove that she has attempted to curtail the use of that term. I guess we are not going to get the question answered. Is this like the "Death of Pedro" story? Pedro was gored to death by a bull. The news story read: "Dying Man Has Encounter With Bull!".

I feel like hydrologist Bradely felt about this. Until I see a FP that puts him landing near water I dont think a water landing is likely. Bradley was even more specific saying if the money arrived at TBar via tributaries, the money had to arrive within ten feet of the 1977 flood stage at some tributary, in order to be delivered to the Columbia ... otherwise the money got to TBar via some other route. Using 1977 flood data, Bradely calculated flow time from the mouth of the Washougal to TBar at about 14.7 hours. Bradley considered a number of scenarios. He pointed out the money could have arrived via a shorter route or even from the Oregon side to Tina Bar via the Willamette. Deciding between these options is contingent on exactly what was found (or not found) at Tina Bar and we just dont have the facts of the excavation in hand. Were other artifacts found or not? What is the total estimate of money at Tina Bar? There is nothing so far in the money (or about the found money) which leans in one direction over another. I think Cooper had little or no control over where he went once he bailed. He may have seen lights in the distance or approaching that caused him to bail in a certain time frame ... I dont see anything "in the money" or "about the money" or in this whole case that suggests either Cooper or his money landed in the Columbia. Both may have wound up in the Columbia and some portion of the money did (as it appeared on Tina Bar), and that is all I can say.

You're wrong. You seem completely unfamiliar with the FARs. http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_91-307.html I'm not saying that just because a pilot goes up without a parachute that fact will stop him from performing aerobatics, but the FARs are crystal clear. There are no real aerobatic maneuvers that can be performed without violating 60° of bank or 30° of pitch; none. Doing so requires a parachute by law whether you're solo or not. Fossett was an experienced pilot and had a LOT to lose by dying in a plane crash. I find it illogical to assume he'd perform aerobatics without a parachute. They're relatively inexpensive and easy to come by. I wonder about a heart attack or blackout given his age and profile - Ive seen very little written about his actual medical condition (for some reason). The assumption is he was fit ... Ive seen a lot of "fit" people with his profile suddenly drop.

I stand corrected Georger. 1.5 miles is surprising. 377 One can piece together the details, I wont present here. I wasnt too surprised once I learned what types of animals were involved. Ive had personal experience traking down stock that were dragged away; its best to be on horseback or it can be a very long walk (both ways). What did surprise me was the hiker had been over that terrain once and didnt see anything (wasnt especially looking either) but once a glint of debris was spotted from the air he went back in a second time and went straight to the site ... rugged terrain... and the site wasnt too far from the path the hiker had taken the first time. Its a shame an experienced pilot would fall victim to a down draft ... there was a special on tv about this but I dont remember what network it was. I checked Nova listings and it wasnt there. Maybe Discovery or NatGeo ??? If I recall this it had something to do with his type of plane - he couldnt get out of a downdraft severe? You may know something about that, or Sluggo, or Farflung. Its just such a shame .... I think he had flown over that area many many times?

Here's a few urls - at first they found no human remains, hiker-searcher found personal papers ... http://a11news.com/694/steve-faucet-plane-wreckage-found/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Fossett http://askville.amazon.com/remains-daredevil-Steve-Faucet-found/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=17492426 http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-081002-steve-fossett-photogallery,0,7795762.photogallery http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/fossett.htm Driver's license found on October 30, 2008 belonged to FossettCNN: foot bones, shoes, and ID found near Fossett crash site (October 31, 2008)1 Two bones, pair of shoes foundCNN: ones, ID found near Fossett crash site (October 31, 2008)1 Remains now found amid wreckage of Fossett's plane and half a mile awayPE.com: Remains found at Steve Fossett wreckage site(October 2, 2008)2 CNN: ones, ID found near Fossett crash site (October 31, 2008)1 According to reports, "very little" of the remains were present at the crash sitePE.com: Remains found at Steve Fossett wreckage site(October 2, 2008)2 DNA tests conducted on remains concluded they were Fosset'sWelt: Steve Fossett remains confirm his death (November 4, 2008)3 Searchers not surprised by the small amount of remains given the time since the crashPE.com: Remains found at Steve Fossett wreckage site(October 2, 2008)2 Plane debris area measured 400 feet by 150 feetInside Bay Area: Searchers find human remains at Fossett crash site (October 2, 2008)4 Coyotes and other wildlife in the areaInside Bay Area: Searchers find human remains at Fossett crash site (October 2, 2008)4 ID and Clothing Found: Hikers found sweatshirt at some distance from crash site possibly belonging to Fossett on October 4, 2008, in a remote area of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Fossett's remains have been found about a mile and a half away in a trail away from crash site. Animal involvement likely. )5 Investigators said Thursday DNA tests now confirm they have found the remains of Steve Fossett.

Take a good read about Steve Faucet's crash discovery. Just like Jerry said, scavenging animals had moved bones and even his wallet contents but most parts were found and none very far from the impact area. 377 I followed the Faucet case as close as I could so have to disagree a bit. As I recall the few human remains left were distributed at a greater distance than expected, making it hard to find anything.. animals had done a real job, and the plane was broken down into small pieces making it difficult to spot from the air. Several people had already done a ground search over the same area and found nothing ... then went back later and did a slow methodical search, then found small pieces of the plane and two peieces of human remains at the plane (two bones), then it took a long search to find the few remaininghuman remains (bones which had been carried a long distance)? I thought about the Cooper case when following this story - Maybe you know something I dont?

...and So what's up with this: 'he didnt confess on his deathbed' ????????????????????????????????? Remember Jo. The Oscars are over.

You and I both know that there are a hell of a lot of people all over those woods under the flight path... and its all year long with timber cruisers..loggers hikers hunters nature freaks....face it.. contrary to your dreams of glory.. he aint there. I wasnt there but from people I know who were on these searches both initially and then for several years afterwards ... I think the best synopsis is its somewhere between what you both are claiming ... a middle ground?

It almost had to be the aft stairs door because there was discussion over whether Tina should be tied in or not (to avoid being swept out) ... is my understanding? Just to backup, Ckret thought Cooper wanting the door open and stair down at liftoff was a sign Cooper wanted to bail asap after liftoff; that he was not concerned with "where" he was so much as "escaping asap".

That would keep the plane below about 10,000 ft to assure sufficient breathing oxygen in ambient air. The pilots had supp O2 they could use but the stews didnt (at least not without taking a tank and mask down from an overhead) and they could be injured by high flight without pressurization or at the least lose consciousness. The unpressurized order limited altitude and the gear down order limited speed. That says smart to me not dumb. That says he had some aviation knowledge. 377 I agree with the technical logic but this level of logic does not require special training; just general exposure. Farflung's list of things Cooper 'did not' ask for and the contradictions in Cooper's requests, is telling to Farflung. What all of this may prove is Cooper had an average IQ or better, and nothing more.

Again, assume Cooper is a whuffo. Does he care? No. In his mind he's leaving the aircraft. If I was given a MILLION dollars to solve a crime involving $200,000? The first thing I'd do is take the money and head for the border. Now that is funny! You obviously dont understand rich guys with their yatchs, cars, horses, beachfront houses, and and girlfriends, and jump uniforms. The money is not an issue. In any event. Only a poor guy would say that.