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Jo, he doesn't say Duane was Cooper but he does say your story about Duane fits the known facts better than any other popular candidate. ------------------------------------------------ why would that be? ------------------------------------------------ I did catch your jab at me about Occam's razor Safe. 377 I thought his explanation of Occam was pretty good (on a layman's level). But his application is faulty - Safe and Jo have a LOT in common. Its no wonder he will preference her 'case' ? He has all along. Maybe he needs to apply OR to that? It would be shameful if Jo has lead such an elegant young man down a primrose path! I think Safe's intentions are good. I just think its pretty obvious (to me) he's in way over his head. For one thing you don't have to explain the history of the Universe in order to explain 1+1=2 ... to any audience, including the the Girls Scouts. Safe's 'inductive' method is very tedious. He will lose 2/3rds of his audience by vid #12 ... I got a kick out of his long discourse (Principia) on "Did Cooper tie 1, 2, or 10knots... in the bank bag! Do long winded escatologies like that not depart wildly from any notion of .. simplicity, which I thought was the whole point if his exercise? Safe is stacking the deck with assumptions even as he claims to be teaching the world a method for simplification and discovery? Is it sermonizing or science?

He will! I look forward to #1773

says: you are forgiven, go and sin no more.

Snow and Georger will think me a moron for giving you credit for anything, but I can take the heat. 377 Omni potens vos es venia est. Sine iterum haud magis vobiscum.

We are making progress. 377 I like the comparison - screwdriver and not gun flares and not dynamite You're heading the right direction. screwdriver and not gun flares and not dynamite duane and not cooper

The top bill is one of these -

How the Jo Weber Support Group going?

we already did this weeks ago - I will not repeat it again. Ask Blevins. He helped. The top bill was identified - its a post 1971 vintage bill, actually from a public domain photo on Google. All he did was scan the Google photo and run a bunch of them off for the sake of this ruse...

Wolf River Joe's theory that Cooper was found, looted and buried goes a long way towards explaining why no trace has been found. Still, someone would be missing and someone would miss them. 377 Just follow the surge in Gallo sales in District 99.

Ran across something unexpected ... flight path noise and pullution complaints, at Heisson WA ? Wierd, maybe not. Maybe related to the Dennis Levanen report? It seems to center around the fact of Heisson being on the flight path (downslope?) to PDX? Found several noise studies of the area and some pollution studies which specify Heisson. eg:http://www.travelmath.com/flight-emissions/from/PDX/to/98622 Carbon emissions between PDX and 98622 The total carbon emissions for a flight from PDX to 98622 is 9 lbs CO2. This is equivalent to 4 kg CO2e or 0.00 tonnes of carbon dioxide equivalents. With radiative forcing in effect, the carbon emissions may increase by 2.7 times, so the CO2 equivalents would then be 23 pounds, equivalent to 10 kilograms or 0.01 metric tonnes. These calculations are based on the distance from PDX to 98622, which is 15 miles or 24 kilometers. Your trip begins at Portland International Airport in Portland, Oregon. It ends at 98622 in Heisson, Washington Noise complaint filed - comment: "1405 Location: Heisson, WA ... I live under the flight path.... Dude that must suck! ... its horrible at times." I find a large number of noise abatement businesses advertising at Heisson and nearby ... aviation noise abatement. Maybe Dennis Levanen's report was a mistake and some other plane, not 305 ? Especially if Heisson is known for aviation (flight path) noise problems as a general fact of life there ???

Not sure why you are so smug about this one in particular, seeing as they think Duane is a wrong suspect too. Try go back and read your post objectively - pretty nasty, you seem to be enjoying the thought of someone else potentially being embarrassed with numerous laughs and smiles. Not exactly sweet little old lady stuff, more like vindictive little old lady stuff. Didn't I call it a ROAST! Have you ever been to a ROAST! It is all done in jest and in fun. These are done when the person has usually made some kind of major contribution to his cause or profession. I have had worst things said about me and not in jest or in a Roast. Dont you have to have the PERMISSION of the person in order to conduct a ROAST? What is a unilateral ROAST?

Not sure why you are so smug about this one in particular, seeing as they think Duane is a wrong suspect too. Try go back and read your post objectively - pretty nasty, you seem to be enjoying the thought of someone else potentially being embarrassed with numerous laughs and smiles. Not exactly sweet little old lady stuff, more like vindictive little old lady stuff. Duane against the world. Jo against the world. Taking names and making lists and stealing identity cards -

It isnt over til the fat lady sings.

Jo States: Wrong wrong wrong. You must not understand the area I am talking about. There is a track on the Southside of the Lewis river at the old Chelathchie Mill - infact a spur goes up into the deep forest there toward Tumtum Mtn. It may not be there now, but it was in 1971. You said "in the vicinity of a log truck bridge South/east of Cougar." Now you say "toward Tumtum Mtn" which is south & west of Cougar ... or the maps are all wrong. You may be correct about the rest. I dont know. All I do know if you take a trip to WA with Duane and dont know what he's talking about. You go back in 2001? and try to reconnect but dont have much success, I guess? You go back recently and now everything has connected in fine details, I guess? I do know Blevins appears to have had some mighty fine adventures with some great photos to share so the evening has not been wasted. I enjoyed that. Cooper will have to wait until tomorrow. PS: I still question the long drift to your area (southish of Cougar) IF Cooper bailed from V23 (anywhere on V23). Amazon's remarks make me want to go deer hunting in that area! I like a challenge.

This is not as big a deal as you might think. Even in 1971, there were trails and Forest Service roads running along the banks of the Lewis River all the way to Woodland. I know. I've hiked them. In an earlier post, I related how I got my truck stuck up there in Janaury many years ago. There was a foot of snow on the ground. I hiked up off the Forest Service road onto a hill until I found a level spot. I had no camping gear, just my coat and boots. No one was coming and I knew what would follow when it got dark. I'm the guy who spent a month stranded in winter in the Cascade Mountains, and three days washed out into the Pacific. I know of what I speak. See below for details. I dug a narrow trench for the fire and used upright sticks behind it to reflect the heat back toward me. Then I chopped down a bunch of cedar boughs and branches and built myself a small lean-to in front of the fire. I piled up more cedar boughs as a bed to keep me off the ground, and used a few to cover myself. Then I fed the fire all night and caught some sleep in between. In the morning, I hiked out along the Lewis and made it to Woodland by maybe one p.m. in the afternoon. From there, I made a phone call and got a ride back to Seattle. Compared to a few other things, it wasn't so bad. http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2007/10/04/1002074-lost-in-the-cascade-mountains-a-personal-adventure http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2007/05/20/729944-my-40-years-on-ozette-island I'm still here, which by any measure is a surprise.

Hmmm... Now that does sound like something Duane might do. 377 If the plane is on V23 how far does C have to drift to be seen SoEast of Cougar! How any miles of drift are you willing to give? 15, 20, 30 miles? Attached is a scale on the drift line -

I will defer to eyewitness accounts. 4 individuals site the plane North of Heisson. The plane was low enough they thought it was in trouble and went running out of the house. One states he could see the image of the plane behind layered clouds (which if you understand this would make the plane seem closer to the ground). Evidently this was a result of what-ever lights the plane itself emitted. 1 individual reported a man walking somewhere in the vicinity of a log truck bridge South/east of Cougar at the crack of dawn the next morning. Another witness believed the plane was West of Mount ST Helens due to the above. The idiot was walking on a road in business clothes and carrying a bag. The railroad track was very near the above point and I believe he realized by staying on the road he would get caught after this early morning traveler passed him. Since the Tracks where very near there the accessibility of the pump car presented itself. There are no RR tracks in this area. The closest extinct track would have been 15 miles away or further at Yacolt below Amboy. see attached. Doesnt this area SE of Cougar begin to get hilly between Mt. Tamtum east to Calamity Peak? These would be some of the 'foothills' Blevins was talking about, quite correctly? I think you have to put Cooper somewhere within a reasonable distance between where he lands and where he is seen? Please note that Cougar is on the north side of the Lewis River. If Cooper lands north of the Lewis he must ford the Lewis River to get anywhere south. If Cooper bailed much before Heisson then very likely he lands north of the Lewis River due to how the Lewis River bends south relative to V23 ... look at the map. If he was seen SE of Cougar he had to land south of the Lewis. This area SE of Cougar is approximately 12 miles from where the chute was found at Amboy.

Radar evidence does not show Flight 305 making large altitude changes or flight diversions between the time they left Seattle and Cooper jumped. How do you know? Your source for this?

Pretty arrogant on my part, and I apologize. However, if certain folks on this thread want to post up their anonymous expert opinions, then I will have to take their statements with a grain of salt. Excluded are links to good research, of course. I would take much more seriously the opinions of folks such as Sluggo Monster, who is a known quantity. The Cooper case is not the only thing I've researched over the years. I did six articles on the disappearance of Steve Fossett, interviewed inmates serving life sentences without the possibility of parole, and a number of other things. One of the big points you look for when doing research is the credibility of the witnesses, or the source of the research and/or opinions being given. Otherwise, you have less options to establish if something someone is telling you is fact. For example, if Helen J from Sumner, WA tells me that KC smoked Raleighs because he saved the coupons, I would more readily believe that than if some anonymous person on this thread says it. This is because I can establish the identity and credibility of the witness. I'm big on credibility and verification, especially from second sources. Thanks Peggy. Have you thought about copywriting any and all info related to KC. You need sole control. You could have yourself appointed "Cooperlator" for the State of Washington. That ought to impress a few people! Get the Washington State Legislature to fund and appoint you the Regulator for Cooperlation, in the State of Washington? It's all politics. You (and Jo) are among the first to realise that and see the potential opportunities implied . . . while the rest of the world was focused only on the case. You saw beyond that! You are a visionary.

Whatever, Sluggo. Everyone knows who you are anyway. Here's two good reasons I went public right from the start: Credibility. The 80,000 hits on Google when you do an advanced/exact phrase search on 'Robert M Blevins'. "Ant" beats that at 83,100 Jo Weber beats that at 4,290,000 results (0.07 seconds) "Duh" beats that at 18,700,000 results (0.09 seconds) and "Oh" beats that at About 500,000,000 results (0.12 seconds)

Well, Illinois maybe. You make a mockery of this and I PROTEST IT IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS. It is well known among everyone at Dropzone that YOU and YOU ALONE want users should be required to use their real names and identities. NOBODY including the owner of this website agrees with you ... and Blevins! When you brought this up before I got email from several other MODERATORS who said they did NOT agree with your position and were astounded by it - that it would cause CHAOS at Dropzone. So, if you and Blevins want to play games with people and besmerch people here, please do it in PMs on your own time and leave the forums alone? Just a suggestion. I think your post is outrageously unfair at my expense given your presumed neutrality as Moderator, and I protest your victimising me for your own personal pleasure. There is nothing fair or intelligent in your post.

Jo, If Duane Weber were Dan Cooper, survived the jump and escaped without even being identified, why would he hang on to physical evidence that could tie him to the crime? 377 That is the easiest Question anyone has ever asked..but, it is only my theory because I lived with him for 17 yrs and the places he took me and what I found after he died. He committed the crime after being told what kind of death he was to face - a death that was not a very pretty death in approximately 1971. In 1971 - little was known about the disease and the treatments were limited...it was always fatal. He did survive and he was smart enough to put the evidence in a safety deposit box under the name of John C. Collins and pay it forward for 10 yrs...why he had to keep up the alias. Perhaps why he made a trip to another state while we were living in Co in 1980 to a bank (after the money find) - claimed he had some business to take care of with someone he knew in the bank. He wasn't gone for very long and we drove 2 states away for him to do this. In 1990 when he goes on diaylsis he manages to reactivate the John Collins ID at a great risk of being discovered. How he did this - I still don't know. He again goes back to the place he took me in 1980 and retrieves whatever he had in the Box. . Baloney. You have denied countless times and written reams claiming Duane was HEALTHY during the whole period of the 70s onward ... despite others saying optherwise. Now you jump to USE the SICK CARD! That is a con game. Which shell will the peanut be under next? Duane hijacked 305 in his sleep? Give it up Jo. The performance is over.

Ckret tried to convey some of this here but wasn't taken seriously, and you saw what kind of response that brought from Jo. I can repost some of what Ckret shared here - but I dont think that's necessary. Good job, Ckret! Here is a repost of the St Petersberg article - cleaned up more. I have streched this cleaning about as far as I can while still keeping within the 300k limit of a jpeg one can post here ...

99 sure does deserve a lot of credit. I've had one of those autosearch things running on Google for a long time and it didnt spit up this infomative article on Duane Weber. I am not a psychologist, but there seems to be a compulsive nature to Duane's criminal actions. Perhaps he got a huge irresistable high from pulling off a theft or con job. or by doing a successful impersonation. He knew from prior arrests, convictions and sentences that he really wasnt very good at it, but he goes right back to it as soon as he gets out of jail. When I did criminal defense I occasionally got a case where a very wealthy person was caught shoplifting. It had to be a thrill thing, there was no rational economic reason justifying such a risk. They usually had some story about having tried on a garment and forgetting to take it off before they left the store etc etc, but they were really just wealthy thieves. The system (in CA) usually goes easy on them if it's a first time case. They go into a diversion program, attend some classes, perhaps do some volunteer work and the record gets expunged, no recorded criminal conviction. I had one case that didnt go so smoothly. It was a wealthy woman who had what the store dectectives call a "rig", a garment modified to conceal stolen items (often a concealed access slit and internal bag in the lining of a coat). She got caught and was charged with burglary, because they could prove (from the rig) she entered the building with intent to commit a crime therein therfore it was unlawful entry etc etc. It took a lot of steppin, but I got the charges reduced to misdeameanor theft and she was accepted for diversion. I've often wondered if NORJACK was a thrill crime and had no compelling economic motivation. Cooper didnt seem all that interested in the actual money (surprised to get it, offering some to Tina, apparently unprepared to carry it on a high speed exit). 377 If we had a similar article on Cooper I imagine we would all sit back and say 'ahhh so that's what it is!'. The moment of discovery. A picture is worth a thousand words, and this article likewise. Smokin99 is our hero. I love it! That is what I came here for.

Smokin99 deserves a lot of credit for having found this ... evidently it was just sitting at Google all along for somebody to find. Duane Weber defines himself as a petty cowardly "imposter crook" who steals from old ladies, incapable of being DB Cooper. The article confirms everything Ive always thought about Duane and defines Duane in a way Jo will never describe Duane, or admit to. I think the whole thing is sad and has been very wasteful of everyone's time, on Jo's part.