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... and remember Vicki, each photo uploaded can be no larger than 300 kb.

That is hard for me to believe. You must be talking about me! Let me catch up reading here then consult with the Dark Side of the Moon and I will be back. Sooner or later I will learn to keep my big mouth shut!

I like Sluggos suggestion, but don't have any new evidence. 377 Who has final jurisdiction in the Cooper case? It involves so many agencies & Departments ...... At what level would the case be tried .... ?

So why didn't Bernie give an answer to the question? He just sits there and looks at Scott, Buddy, and Christine and says nothing. Not even a simple denial. It was weird. His look was as much as saying: "I dont want to be here. Im only here to clear my name". He said he was "at sea" when his "wife" rented to Kenny - thats the same as saying I had nothing to do with Kenny during that period because he wasnt that close to me. He said almost scoughing 'yes I think Kenny was Cooper', but it had nothing to do with me. He looked to me like he was enjoying not wanting to be there - likes publicity if it benefits him. He basically said he and Kenny were not as close as you claim and he called you a liar. He struck me as knowing more than he said but perhaps not knowing the things you want him he know; he seemed resentful over that and a little mystified and fearful. He said a lot while saying nothing?

I challenge each an every poster to post one “new or never-published” factoid about NORJAK and get at least three posters to comment on it without making derogatory statements. If you guys won’t or can’t do this, I’m gonna go and sit in some church basement, drink coffee, and say: You start. I will follow.

I thought yours was directed at Jo! Sorry. Im confused too. I should mind my own business... Call if you want. Im up.... trying to get lines to wrap right in this ...

They probably went with Bill Rataczak's version of events. Who knows? I only did a couple of interviews for the show. The rest of the time I was interviewing Geestman's ex up in Twisp, or doing the interviews with Helen. They do a lot of stuff in post-production. (shrugs) I see Jamie Cooper is back under a slightly different name. Don't worry, Jamie. Quade won't figure it out. Adding that '187' to the end of your name will fool him for sure. (*laughs*) Do you know if the producer(s) interviewed Rat? Its not meant as criticism but the graph they put up doesnt match any flight path except for being east-ish (far from PDX crossing the Columbia). Sort of reminds me of the PI map of the money find showing Tina Bar close to Troutdale, which was funny. That and a few basic errors of fact made me wonder how well the priducers researched any of this .......... you spoke so highly of them before? Dont take any of this personally Robt. Im just making observations ....

Jerry ... think twice. Dont want to lose you here. Like GURU says: we are guests here.

The program depicts an east-path as the path 305 flew. Why? (Go back to the graphic of flight path they showed)

I would love to see anything you want to post! G.

Popping in, have a few seconds Thanks! Double thanks! Post yours! Orange too.. May get back to you later tonight ... G.

Jerry - baby O technically I guess is no longer a baby

Seems to make sense, sure. But here are a few reasons why you might want to keep the ransom money close to home, rather than in a safety-deposit box: 1) You have access to the money 24/7. 2) The IRS can get a warrant to search your box a lot easier than to search your house, should someone from that organization start questioning your purchases vs your income. Back in '71 the IRS had a lot more power than they do now. 3) If you felt you had become a suspect, or were questioned by the FBI, you might have to grab that money in a hurry and leave town. 4) Your bank accounts and safety deposit boxes can be frozen by the government, even if the box is not (at least initially) searched. 5) A K.C. angle: Sumner in 1971 was a very small town. Repeated trips in and out of your box could draw unwanted attention, especially with tellers already seeing the sketch and looking at their bills for ransom numbers. The banks in town back then were kind of like this: You'd walk in, and they'd say hello to you by name. Everyone knew everybody. I grew up in that town, I know. 6) A natural disaster could affect the bank in your town, as well as the home. If something happened to the bank, you would have a tough time walking in to make an insurance claim. Also, the bills might have turned up once the clean-up process began after a flood, earthquake, fire, etc. Maybe they trace them to you. 7) If you get caught with the money in the box, you have no explanation. If they find it in your attic, you might be able to claim you didn't know it was there. 8) If you decide it's too hot, and you have to get rid of the money in a hurry....(self-explanatory) That's all the reasons I can think of at the moment. I've found that sometimes you have to think like a criminal, and they generally don't like banks. They want that money handy at all times. They sometimes might want to just LOOK at the money. Think about it. Every time the hijacker looked at the money, (assuming he lived to spend it), he would get a rush. He's the most wanted man in America, at least for a while. He's all over the papers constantly and the television. He isn't going to risk that 22 pounds of cash by sticking it in some bank. Carolyn Tyner and Dan Rattenbury, two people who have never met, did not live in Bonney Lake at the same time, and have no reason I can discern to lie, have told the same, exact story: About two thousand in twenty-dollar bills was found out back of Christiansen's old house in 1995 by a young boy. The money was in a plastic bag. Tyner is absolutely sure on this, and went on the record. Her husband is a cop and they live in Colorado. She and her former husband, Robin Powell, inherited the house from KC. KC left the adjoining lot out back to 'Mac,' the guy heavily mentioned in Geoff Gray's New York Magazine article. Tyner says that Mac sold the lot almost after he got it, and then left town. Before he did, he sold off the logs and the logging guys bulldozed the stumps into a pile. It was about a year after this that the money was found. Kids were building forts up there. Carolyn and Robin did not make a claim on the money because they heard about it a couple of weeks after it was found, and it wasn't their money. Carolyn says (and I believe her) that she did not know one way or another if KC was the hijacker. But after I sent her a group of pictures and a copy of the manuscript to examine, she said it made sense. Her former husband Robin was not a nice guy. Carolyn says KC let the two of them live there while he was sick, but that KC didn't like Robin much. Robin is currently in prison, according to Carolyn, and once assaulted his own mother. Yada...the bottom line is after grilling Rattenbury and Carolyn Tyner pretty hard and comparing their stories, I think the incident with the money happened. You have to understand, people like Bernie had already lied to me so much that I was checking facts closely and having Skipp Porteous run additional fact checks on everything I could. I didn't take anyone's word at face value anymore after the Bernie ('Mike Watson') interview. Robt, sounds to me like almost anybody could have buried the money there, in a vacant lot, for many reasons. I dont know why it goes straight to Kenny who was gone by that time. It could have been anyone including one of the loggers ? We had an old guy in my hometown who had once owned a junk yard and done some logging in addition to teaching school. In his eighties one day he was driving through town (pop 8,000) and a bag fell out from the trunk of his car - his trunk bottom rotted through. Several attempts to return the bag to the guy had him slam his door in people's faces so at length the bag was given to the police to return. The police opened the bag to look for identification and found $40,000 dollars in among socks etc... The police contacted the guy's son who told the police: "Dad has money buried all over the place". Finally at the guy's house the police opened the glove compartment of the guy's car and there was a map of the vacant lot east of the guy's place along 11th Street. Several days later the son and the chief of police went to the lot and using the map found half a doxen buried staches of cash .... large sum total. I think it happens more frequently than is thought. In my example the old guy had buried his money (all over town), even made a map, intended each' burial to be temporary, but just never went back to retrieve each burial because as he remarked: "what would I do with it then!?".

You could walk up to their door tomorrow and explain and say, "can I look in your attic". You could have done that yesterday or the day before stretching back how many years? But as long as he doesn't, he still has a story to tell. His unwillingness to simply do it himself indicates he's not as much interested in "the truth" as he is telling the tale. He says he's not asking anybody to do anything, but he leaves proof up to the reader and requires somebody else to confirm or debunk his story when in fact it's as easy as walking up to a door and knocking on it. Things involving missing or problem family members often gets complicated (emotionally) - so there may be extenuating circumstances, in Jamie's mind. Approach - avoidance. Nobody can act for Jamie ... Its a little hard for me to believe the current owners of the house havent been in their own attic to discover what is there or not ?

The FBI had nothing to do with the "choice" of the chutes, or the source. The very opposite is the case. You need to read the prior posts on this topic, in this thread. He may have been confused by one of the individuals that believes the entire operation was a government conspiracy, in which case, virtually anything would be possible, yet none of which is in evidence.

same reason no one is gonna look for that briefcase in the attic. You could walk up to their door tomorrow and explain and say, "can I look in your attic". You could have done that yesterday or the day before stretching back how many years? Omission in the face of knowledge requires explanation, just like action in the face of knowledge. We aren't stumps and rocks.

The FBI had nothing to do with the "choice" of the chutes, or the source. The very opposite is the case. You need to read the prior posts on this topic, in this thread.

60 seconds from 10K? tumbling? = splat, surely [innocent idiot voice] Oh! But people have fallen out of planes and survived! [/innocent idiot voice] None survived it twice. Only a couple off the Golden Gate Bridge have survived. Robert's velocities (different configs) are correct. Cossey's hard pull by WII standards was a qualfiied hard pull - it all comes back to his experience. But its not just "hard pull". Cossey describes a two stage pull ... out and up. Could an unskilled person manage to perform that combined pull. by accident?

I anticipate Jerry will be here tonight answering questions - unless of course he deems this not worth his time. In case there is any doubt I just spoke with Shelly and Jerry and both are fine.

I dont support any of the candidates put here. I dont think anyone here has the data one would need to conduct a search of that kind. But I am old and stoggy and 'conservative'? On the other hand if I had the data ... I seriously doubt you will give up the chase. Robert, I think you made at least three valuable contributions. One was the end of this icon, the Death Woods. You added reality in that dept. Two other issues I wont name but you are a resident of the State of Washington and I thought you added some perspective to at least two other issues that will become a part of the new thinking ... I regret we could not have had a deeper discussion, but our goals are very different. Our methods and constituencies different. Again, I seriously doubt you will give up the chase. So good luck .... see you tomorrow once youve had a night to think about quitting. That's my opinion...

BCS Ducks Auburn tied 19 all. Auburn running a quick no huddle offense with 1:56 left ESP1 ................................. Auburn won last 10 secs w. field goal. 22/19 Auburn wins. Great game! Congrats to the Ducks.

Google confirmed. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=audie+murphy&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Now the question; why would Bob have that as a photo in his profile album on FB? Jerry Thomas has the same question -

confirm... a new recipient is just up the road from me. I hope they give he and his wife some rest soon. Part of their function is to attend or represent at public events, but I pray that doesnt get carried to extremes and wear them out. People do need some privacy and Giunta has earned his. BTW, Ive always liked your avatar. I came to the decision not to use one.

No. Slow fade to ........ T33 Boogie and R2-R4 Walz... slider into home plate via the marker on Govt Island ...... You can stop pretending any time now. Im having a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeal goooooood time. I know it wont last long; its futile.

I do not believe the temperatures quoted. I seem to remember 60° F and light precipitation. Don't know why. The link below has the daily temps for Portland from 1940 ... http://www.nws.noaa.gov/climate/local_data.php?wfo=pqr Other weather info on this site includes: Daily Oregon HAM Radio Operators Weather Report Daily Temperatures: Portland ( 1940-2005, text file) Daily Temperatures: Astoria (1953-2005, text file) Daily Temperatures: Eugene ( 1939-2005, text file) Daily Temperatures: Salem (1928-2005, text file) Daily Precipitation: Portland ( 1940---2005, text file) Daily Precipitation: Astoria ( 1953--2005, text file) Daily Precipitation: Eugene ( 1939--2005, text file) Daily Precipitation: Salem (1928-2005, text file) Other Oregon Climate Data Clatsop County Climate History & Data Lane County Climate History & Data Lincoln County Climate History & Data Marion County Climate History & Data Multnomah County Climate History & Data Other Counties County Climate History & Data Coast Zone Climate History & Data Willamette Valley Zone Climate History & Data Southwest Interior Zone Climate History & Data North Cascades Zone Climate History & Data Columbia Basin Zone Climate History & Data Central Oregon Zone Climate History & Data More Oregon Climate Data Local Climate Studies Detailed Climate of Portland, including rainfall and temperature records, snow, wind, fog and more Water Year Data Rose Parade Weather Major Holiday Statistics Average Yearly Rainfall Maps USA Oregon Washington Idaho California Montana Nevada Climate Summaries for Area Cities Portland Basic Climate Summary Eugene Basic Climate Summary Salem Basic Climate Summary Astoria Basic Climate Summary Medford Basic Climate Summary Pendleton Basic Climate Summary Hawaii Basic Climate Summary Alaska Basic Climate Summary Other Areas Basic Climate Summary Daily Records for cities in Oregon Daily Records for other cities in Washington Daily Records for other cities in Pacific/Western USA Annual Summaries