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Georger, Thank You so much for that. He deleted the other suspects to almost zero. I do not know how to go into Wiki to rebuild it so maybe one of you guys who can be objective will go back and make it like it used to me - FAIR representation of ALL suspects regardless of how bad the suspect might be to the one doing it. I am not able to do that - tried it once and once was enough for me. PS. What is the plural of composite? I think its composites, with an 's'? Why would Blevins delete other people's work? By what right? That really stinks... if he did. But I am told he did. Does plan to delete and amend DZ posts on HIS Dropzone pdf?

8) If you cornered her on the street and tried to ask her questions, you may as well ask the same questions of your cat, because you are going to get the same response. PDF is almost ready, I hear. Big conversion...900 pages is a lot, even for Acrobat 9 Pro. So you are saying Tina Mucklow is senile? Doesnt DZ own its content? Just asking ... If Tina is not as senile as you say then what does that make you? You seem to be enjoying the sensationalism you and Bruce foster? That may sell at AB Houscleaning & Janitorial for lack of anything better? It indicates to me you dont have much of a case in any regard. So what's your real motive for all of this gang banger (journalism?)? While Im at it: why dont you schlep on over to the Wiki Gossett page and remove the false crap you posted there just to sabotage the page and stir things up? I mean if you are in this for edification - what are all the torpedos about? Cant you just row your own boat without trying to sink others? Was it not you who brought up the issue of: character? It isnt all good, contrary to 377's advertising.

Bruce. WHY are you covering so much old ground? Tired and truesome ground. Didnt you believe it the first time when others wrote it? Have you taken "gag me with a spoon" literally? Good God Bruce. Never mind.

Tough nuns out there at the monastery. Might be CIA trained. Tina is clearly a hot button out there at Carmel of Maria Regina Monastery. She must have tore up the place while she was a novitiate. 377 Dont trash the order. I spent time in a Jesuit order and I would kick Bruce and you right off the property ... with a few choice words short of calling the Sherriff to have you ejected.

Addendum: © 2011 Bruce A. Smith Bruce. WHY are you covering so much old ground? Tired and truesome ground. Didnt you believe it the first time when others wrote it? Have you taken "gag me with a spoon" literally?

I was just sitting here in the middle of our Blizzard thinking about the Bun Boy and the Mad Greek. Opa. Did you ever have an opportunity to drink the water in Baker in the mid-1960s? If so, you know the name of the geographical feature on the south side of I-15 there. Robert Nicholson The alien jerky place?

I was just sitting here in the middle of our Blizzard thinking about the Bun Boy and the Mad Greek. Opa.

The money was a plant by the Chucky Marble Co. in 1492. Lewis & Clark got a funky magnetometer reading in that area and reportted it to Jefferson ... that lead to an assasination which DECODED has already reported on. You see there is consistency on DECODED. That is why they had Blevins follow up aster the Lewis & Clark Alien Mystery show.

The crazies have taken over. No doubt about it. The only thing to do, imho, is to wait it out like any storm and let them have their feeding frenzy; otherwise I have no solution. Hopfully things will improve soon - I really dont know - who does? BTW a blizzard is approaching here - internet and phone sporadic so I may disappear without warning ... Take care.

... something Lyle could have done decades ago without paying Porteous, the producer of Sleepless in Seattle, or you and AB books ? Or did Lyle need agents and middlemen ? I know - Im just old fashioned. I still boil my own water for tea and jello. Ten hands arent required unless its a feast.

Now that we know who he is, what is he saying? Just the basics will do - Oh, God. I haven't a clue. I think it's just a general review of the case, but don't quote me. The Cooper section is just part of the book. In the Amazon description for the book, it describes this part as 'unsolved'. (*shrugs shoulders, scratches head*) Oh so its a 'I talked to 500 agents' type thing - an overview of Jack Daniels from the grinny's point of view, blocking the view of the mountain. Who gets to play Hancock - Betty White? Rataczak - Jürgen Prochnow Scott - Joe Pesci Not sure what you mean here. Are you talking about Nuttall's book? It's a 400-plus page book about his life in the San Diego Police Dept. and the California Highway Patrol. I think the Cooper section isn't that much of the book. Haven't seen the book. It came out in 2008. well,,,,, a certain 'person' knows Ben Affleck. Fact. Flo Schafner - Eva Longoria Himmelsbach - Brad Pitt Cooper - PEE WEE HERMAN, in a dramatic role. Pee Wee played Richard III once, if you can believe that.

Now that we know who he is, what is he saying? Just the basics will do - Oh, God. I haven't a clue. I think it's just a general review of the case, but don't quote me. The Cooper section is just part of the book. In the Amazon description for the book, it describes this part as 'unsolved'. (*shrugs shoulders, scratches head*) Oh so its a 'I talked to 500 agents' type thing - an overview of Jack Daniels from the grinny's point of view, blocking the view of the mountain. Who gets to play Hancock - Betty White? Rataczak - Jürgen Prochnow Scott - Joe Pesci Tina - Uma Thurman

Nuttall, an 80-year-old retired supercop, is the guy who did the book Cops, Crooks, and Other Crazies, right? Now that we know who he is, what is he saying? Just the basics will do - And, with all of this filming and media shit, will there be ANYTHING NEW in the Cooper case? I'm guessing not. By anything new I mean factually provably new ... not some news that Lyle has found Kenny's jock strap used in the hijack. Hope you realise all this media crap could set the Cooper case back 1-5 years ... which is precisely what some are hoping for!

[post deleted in deference to Knoss] Im simply trying to illuminate the terrain on which we currently find ourselves deployed, which is precisely where everyone knew we were in the first place. Epicycles of certain uncertainty. 400 guys pulling on one end of the rope - 20 pulling on the other end - and a number of trolls here at Dropzone stuck in the middle casting spells, some trying to write movie scripts which will guarantee retirement and lots of Happy Meals.

Yea we are here. You?

I've always wondered about the shoe. Thanks for checking in Wilrat. It is very possible for a loafer type shoe to come off during a hard opening. The Prick 25 was an oversized beast given its low power output. Very outdated by 71 but still used by the Army long after more modern and much lighter VHF low band FM radio gear was available. Wonder if Jerry used em? http://www.tourofdutyinfo.com/ToDAdvisorwebpages/fieldradio2.html Odd that the shoe vanished. Seems like it would have been treated as possible evidence, tagged, bagged etc. 377 Yes. Tis' a mystery the shoe. Never would have believed the guy who found it would show up here! Welcome. Did you know two young kids named Jones or Head working the search? This is no spoof. One of the guys was a Jones, from Portland. His Dad a minister. Tell us more about the weather that night.

I have all the pots n pans I can handle, a washing machine, and a vacuum cleaner too. I even have a canary that sings 'Stars n Stripes Forever'. Try the neighbor down the road maybe.

Found by Christiansen's family in Morris, MN, not Porteous. And we have not seen the picture yet. No one has their hopes up here. It's probably not a match. However, if the tie tac was over the counter, maybe it's possible the hijacker could have bought matching cufflinks at the same time. Truth is, I don't even know if they make this stuff to match. I haven't owned a pair of cufflinks since I was eighteen. One of the searchers for Cooper noticed what appeared to be human offal (fresh). He collected a sample. Wonder if that's Kenny's !

Jerry, Ralph CANNOT BE IN TWO PLACES AT ONCE! It wasnt just Ralph and Cooper duking it out somewhere in the Ok Corral. The surprising thing to me is yes, Ralph should have known where he was, but apparently he didn't? It wasn't just Ralph and Cooper alone in the air over part of the State of Washington. We dont need Ralph! We dont need his pilot. Ralph wasnt flying that heli. And if Ralph doesnt know where he was exactly then others do. Ralph was just one player and not even an important player. At most Ralph was an observer from time to time. And from what engineers say Ralph was NEVER flying at 10,000 feet? Was he? There are a host of facts that have to be accounted for here, not just Ralph. ATC didnt call Ralph up and say: "Hey Ralph .... where do you want us to send 305?" and 305 went there at Ralph's convenience? Ralph was along for the ride! Ralph was not in control, but merely along for a ride and when he says (if he says) he was in behind 305 chasing the plane, the only sense in which that can be true is like a comet is sometimes in behind the Moon chasing the Earth for a brief period. In reality the comet is clear out beyond Pluto! Ralph is one agent. Ralph does one thing. Ralph is not controlling anything or giving orders "go here, go there". That's not how it happened. Ralph was nothing but a spectator that night out looking for 305 to come across in a specific sector - all conveyed to Ralph's pilot, not Ralph. You say Ralph talked to Scott or Rataczak during the flight? When? How? Why!? What was the substance of their conversation(s) _ redacted from the Transcript? Ralph was a pure spectator in this whole thing controlling nothing and not even able to keep up. So Ralph's Reader's Digest version just isnt important. His superficial version actually describes his level of involvement, which was anecdotal at most. Ralph admits he doesnt even know how the Seattle FBI flight map got made, or by who. Everything was being controlled out of ATC at Seattle then handed off to Eugene - well ,,, almost. This is my Readers Digest version. If flight 305 had ever strayed east of V23 that would have been known early by a host of people actually involved in directing that flight - none of which was Ralph Himmelsbach. "If that flight had ever strayed east off V23 alarm bells would have gone off everywhere." That is a direct quote.

Point being though, they didn't need permission. By declaring the hijacking, they were declaring an emergency. They could do anything they deemed necessary and didn't need permission from anyone; not their company nor ATC. You are totally correct if the record is true - no reason to doubt it is not true. Key words: "deemed necessary". Well ... there were a few things that happened that were "deemed necessary" and none of them in an east direction, and all of them in a westerly or south-westerly direction. You cant have a plane in two places at once.

The main problem I have with the "east" route is very simple.. for ANY of the money to end up in the Washougal drainage.. it would have to be VERY far east..like the east slopes of the upper NE corner of Silver Star ... since none of those rivers on the west side of the peak would deposit money at Tena Bar....just not feasible The factors that favored the Washougal in 1980 were *it drains from a large geographic area, *it drains directly into the Columbia *upstream of Tena Bar and *its flow into the Columbia has been known to be large at times. Water table data I and others have found suggest the Washougal's outflow was over 12 feet only once (perhaps twice in some areas) between 1970-1980. The Washougal Theory was well in hand with the FBI by Feb 12-14th 1980, which is before Scott's meeting with Himmelsbach around the time of Scott's retirement at the end of February. I know of no evidence that suggests the FBI had considered an east route prior to the discovery of the money in 1980, and it is interesting the FBI still uses the mid-route map as its guide to this day; at least I think that is the case.

I would like to see the exact location on this. Generally 13 miles east of Castle Rock. Or, "descriptions are something like this: “15 miles NW of the search area,” or “On the side of Brokeback Ridge”." (Sluggo post). You can use the search box to search back posts.

I will ask about the east route. Rataczak is in Mexico on vacation, but I wlll have Skipp clear up this point with him, and FOR SURE, when Rataczak returns. I would like to know, too. That would be good. I hope this can be done. Dont get hung up on 3 bundles or any other 'whole number'. Nature is fractional by nature.

The main problem I have with the "east" route is very simple.. for ANY of the money to end up in the Washougal drainage.. it would have to be VERY far east..like the east slopes of the upper NE corner of Silver Star ... since none of those rivers on the west side of the peak would deposit money at Tena Bar....just not feasible Agree. I need to check some dates and will post later..

It was good to have Porteous call Rat and got accurate information about Scott going to the back - wherever your assertions came from prior. Now. Call Rat back and ask him if he still holds to the East Route? Maybe that was a miss-statement by somebody also? [edit] I have a feeling I know why the FBI holds to their flight path model. I am curious to know 'why' Rat holds to his ... East Route model. Did Rat have a 'hard fix' at any time he was flying that plane - did anyone in the cockpit? Yes Robert, I am phrasing this precisely as I want to phrase it. This is no gimmick on my part. I am simply following Farflung's most recent post concerning distances. I am focuing in on 'relative distances and how people perceive them,' ... thus my use of the abstract term "hard fix". We will worry about what "hard fix" means later. Yes I know. Some would prefer that term not be used, or that I should define it now going in ... I want to know what Rat says. I want to know what is in Rat's head if he will respond to Porteous again on this specific issue. Thanks. G.