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well this will get buried in the ARINC discussion but ... The number of bill surfaces which could have rubber bands stuck to them is a function of how the money was packaged. The Ingram money cannot have more bands stuck to bills than the packaging of the money allows! It crosses my mind to consider the probability of any of the 10,000 bills given Cooper, having a rubber band stuck to it. That opportunity is a direct function of how the money was packaged. Much less, the Ingrams finding one of those bills is a little rare. Because that probability is directly related to the architecture of how many bands were used given how the money was packaged. We start with 10,000 $20 dollar bills packaged/grouped in some way. The photo attached shows two options. The more bills you stack in a banded bundle, the lower the Probability that any bill surface will touch a rubber band. It may be remarkable that the Ingrams happened on groups of bills where any bill's surface was touching a rubber band. Now. if the Ingrams encountered more than one bill with bands stuck to its surface, that is not only carries a lower probability (P), and if three of their bills had stuck rubber bands .... that not only defies all ordinary odds it goes directly to how the Ingrams money was bundled/packaged! No bill surface can interface with a rubber band unless the packaging allows that union to happen. Pat told me that 'there were stuck pieces of bands on more than one bill ... picking those pieces off took a lot of time... Harold's brother took on that job and sat with the bills at the kitchen table and worked and worked doing that ... '. That statement goes directly to how the Ingram bills had to have been packaged. Keep in mind the FBI Lab found that the Ingram bills were in consecutive order just as delivered (and packaged) to Cooper. We start with 10,000 $20 bills. If packaged in smaller bundles say $2000 per bundle, then the total was 100 bundles. The chance of a bill surface having bands across it is 0.02%. Call that model 1 in the photo attached. If packaged as stacks of 5 bundles each, the probability of any bill surface touching a band goes down to a very low level (0.0008 %). If the money was packed as five bundles per banded package then you can see the Probability of any bill surface touching rubber bands goes waaaaaay down making it unlikely that the Ingram find could even supply two surfaces ( two bills) where bands were touching the bill surface. The number of bands the Ingrams found on their bills is directly a function of how the money had been packaged. It cant be anything else!

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ok thanks ..........

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Im dumbfounded. The Cooper money might be a portal into another dimension ! No human intervention in the wrapping. Damn! The money packaging was automated. Robots did it all. Milking machine converted to wrap money for hijackings then bark like a dog when finished ? How did Carr ever miss this! ?

Since Grinnel is now the expert on how the money was packed, into 5 mega bundolas, or five packetolae, or five Grinnolas... it shouldnt be too difficult to extrapolate which of the five mega cash bales the Ingram money came from and where in that package the Ingram serial numbers fit. So, did the Ingram bills come from the top, middle, end, or where in one of the five bricks? Had that large brick fallen apart or what... to leave the three Ingram orphan groups alone in the sand, bereft and abandoned on Tena Bar? Grinnel has his work cut out for him ! That alone should warrant a symposium of speculation at CC23.

That is closer. I regret others didnt nail this down years ago when we had the chance.

Grinnel/OleMiss Version: 5 packet bundles = 40k$ per packet bundle. How many packets per bundle? So, each packet has no rubber bands ? Bands are only around each of the five large packet bundles. The Ingrams version: found 3 groups amounting to about 5800+. Each group had band remnants they spent time picking off (Harold's brother took on that task) . Each group was assumed to be an original rubber banded bundle, so three bundles of about $2000 each. Serial numbers in the bundles were still in the same order as when given to Cooper so no tampering or change from the original form as given. How does that square with your Grinnel version ? It doesnt fit Grinnel's version.

Neither the FAA nor the FBI has denied the existence of fairies. What position do you hold that you are signing people off - on anything? I dont know but I doubt you have any such position ? Tell us what your "position" is? Flea counter for the Arizona Dept of Natural Resources? How ridiculous is this going to get, Mr. Nicholson ?

They are at your door, Robert!

basic information wrong. ...... and/or misrepresented! Further R99 knows exactly what he is doing so this is no accident but intentional misrepresentation. One case in point is R99's misrepresentation of what WSHM actually said: Quote: "The examination of the George Harrison ARINC printouts was made on site at WSHM on Jan. ... with a corresponding timestamp on 2013.5.15.5 [page 93 of transcript; page 5 of PDF ... there were found to be eight (8) areas of missing, or redacted, teletype print copy, ... Missing or redacted. WSHM leaves the issue open. R99 says WSHM confirmed REDACTED lines. WSHM does not say that at all. WSHM says "missing or redacted..." WSHM names eight problematic lines? R99 expands this to 19 with little or no explanation! The whole issue is pure speculation. So Dr Edwards made his own examination and could not confirm the WSHM or Robert's claims, but when that is shown to R99, R99 simply does not comment at all. The fact that this has gone on and on and on for years .... only worsens the situation to the point nothing R99 says can be taken as a true representation of anything! Due to the pilot's failure to keep track and notify people in a timely fashion the best estimate is: Cooper jumped and landed somewhere off the center line of V23 somewhere between Lake Merwin and Orchards (as a southern limit) but he did not land anywhere near Tena Bar as an explanation of why money was found on Tena Bar! That assertion is plain ridiculous! And if R99 has any real aeronautical credentials at all R99 knows Cooper could not have landed anywhere near Tena Bar! That claim is crazy. There is no direct link between the flight path and jump and money found on Tena Bar - period. Some other explanation is required.

aeronautical qualifications is as aeronautical qualifications does. I guess it takes qualifications you don't have! So, there is no need to keep insulting everyone!

Rataczak was obviously part of the CONSPIRACY - like Kentucky Fried Chicken today! The barking dog knows!

Now you are desperate!

Lol! The Cooper forum is an open forum and beyond your personal control! You dont control the discussion. Any claim that you do, is absurd. The FBI didnt even go so far as to claim of a 'direct' connection between the money find at Tena Bar and the flight path of 305. Some people are just prone to blaming conspiracies for everything. You appear to be one of those.

What reason would anyone have for hiding the flight path or DZ ? When money was found at Tena Bar why would anyone hide an obvious connection to the flight path, if anyone seriously thought there was a connection? And in fact, several people did state there was a connection between the flight path and the Columbia (not Tena Bar). Tosaw said there was a connection and he literally banked on there being a connection. .... and so it goes.

Placing so much focus on Tena Bar doesn't help, sadly. ................. I could NOT agree more for 10,000 reasons. It brings Ulis attention but detracts from the case in a major way. Eric's approach is NOT evidence based. It seems more designed to bring Eric attention as an outlier .......... than working the facts of the case to solve it. Eric has fans to be sure, but also has some people wishing he would just go away! Let Eric find the source of the yellow-green paper bag! That would nail Cooper to a specific time and place! BTW Eric. DB Cooper was not Chinese who had a shack near Tena Bar! That wild goose chase is off the table! Its interesting, the paper bag was not found left behind on the airplane. Why ? What was special about keeping it ?

I will just note* this is the first time in my memory that 'what would cooper do - what did he do' has been discussed. Its refreshing TNX....

And this, in a nutshell, is why TK thinks there is a piece of the story missing. Quote Deputy Jones: 'if the money is here, Cooper was here'. He may have been returning to Portland after landing and something happened ? BTW: did this Hippie surplus clothing store exist at Portland in the 70s ? (shirt sized green store bags ?) https://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/erry-2018/05/96d191c51d6900/14_more_longgone_portland_stor.html

Which pharmacy - where ! I think that color is distinctive. ?

Any smoker needs a backup? Had cigs and a few basics in the green paper bag ? What store in the area packaged people's purchases in green paper bags? Any? Green shopping bags is a little distinctive in that era? An upscale paper bag? A bag from an airport store?

I wish I had had this when I talked to the old deputy. This is not the description of stolen items the deputy mentioned. He mentioned a pair of new boots, as in work boots. Sorry.

I think its a big mistake to make ANY assumptions about Cooper, beyond what most people would do in a crisis where one is being sought and apprehended. Im not sure he is even alive after the jump. Based on what most jumpers say, he probably is. But somehow several bundles of his money escapes? his control to wind up at Tena Bar years later. That breaks a smooth transition scenario out of Dodge and I tend to agree with Tom: something went wrong in an otherwise smooth escape ? I hope Tom's new bills reveal something!

Cooper's first and only priority is to get OUT of the area asap! He isnt going to screw around and waste time doing a break-in to steal new work boots! The store sits just feet from a major rural railroad-highway cross roads that people use all the time. . . . . . and why leave a calling card! COOPER WAS HERE! The information I have is 'the boots were found and returned ... the store owner declined to press charges. ??? There is no file, not even the old call log. The og store owner is long dead. The new store owner loves all the attention but knows nothing...

Others would question that. Im seriously about people's worked being tested, re-checked, and questioned.