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I have no suspect. I have said that a million times. I think I am as far away from 'who' DB Cooper was, as I am from being the next President. That is the real deal. What's your sudden interest in what I think ? Correction: Geof Gray was DB Cooper !

Please do not play the misogynist card here. YOU are the one who has suggested your father could have been the hijacker. YOU are the one who told the story of his arrest for counterfeiting and later disappearance. My suggestion that you make the full details public on him was in an effort to find out the truth about him. It wasn't about you finding and contacting him, should he still be alive. That would be a secondary thing, and completely up to you. For example, perhaps a legitimate verifiable source might contact you and you would discover he WAS living in the Portland/Seattle area at the time of the hijacking. Or...you might discover he bought a car in Naples, Florida the day before the crime. Who knows? Here's are two facts: First, the FBI has had no success in finding him for forty years now, so to rely on them alone probably won't work. That's why you need the public. SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, has interacted with him SOMEHOW in the years following his disappearance. You may find out nothing. You may find out he really IS a legitimate Cooper suspect. You shouldn't waffle, in my opinion. You opened the door by coming to DZ with your story. Wouldn't you like to find out if you might be right? If my facts are correct, Vicki's whole family has been struggling with this mystery for decades, since 1971, so this is nothing new for them in what has been a long enduring (hurtful) struggle; Vicki and her sister decided to focus (once more) on the problem several years ago. Vicki (and her sister) coming here is but a small facet of a long enduring issue their whole family has had to deal with for, almost all the girl's lives. Vicki has never said her Dad was DB Cooper. Vicki, please correct any errors I have made. I am merely trying to add some factual perspective.

In SA it is tradition that you do your 100th jump naked. Depending on the club, you may well get a load of naked jumpers to do it with you. (I got away with doing mine clothed because I was doing a competition jump at nationals, novice category obviously, on my 100th) . Orange, You didn't "get away" with skipping your naked 100th jump obligation. It was just postponed. SA jumpers read this forum. They will make sure that protocols are honored. I saw so many naked jumps at WFFC that I got bored, well not really but that' what I told my whuffo girlfriend who accompanied me. Her: "Are you staring at those naked women?" Me: "Naked???? Are you sure? Oh my goodness, have they no shame?" Naked freefall isn't so sexy. Aerodynamic flutter and all that. 377 I would laugh butt, I have to retrieve more ties from between the seats and under the floormat ... and elsewhere.

And, he left the tie behind as a calling card! We have all been duped for 40 years! was found apparently slipped dwn between the seats so he overlooked it. What I wonder is why take the tie off at all? He must have been an experienced sky diver SOG and all that - Probably in the Olympics! Probably did a tandem with FDR and knew JFK! Probably knew Leonardo da Vinci! (when he wasnt smoke jumping)

They should have given Cooper $100 bills instead. They thought about that. He asked for "negotiable" money. $20s are lot easier to spend than $100's, and far more of them, so it stacks the odds of something turning up somewhere (and something did finally) , plus its a bigger load to slow him down on foot. So, dont criticise the fact they gave him so many bills - the strategy worked. Too bad they didnt give him $1.00 bills what would he have said or done? (There would have been a trail of money to hell and back ... based on odds alone.)

Blevins, The money was found more than 8 years after the crime. What do you mean by "to try and throw off the FBI"? They didn't have a clue at that point. Blevins' point is: the FBi was dumb and were supposed to have a clue. And "the clue" was: Blevins! Always remember 90% of what is said and goes on here is "social media". Not logic or evidence. Think "socks" ........... or "Madonna" ? Hell how can anyone know until it is said and happens. But it will be "something". (Duane was a Martian)

how can I disagree with a ufo sighting only you have seen - ?

We've been down this road before. Because the hijacker would not WANT the FBI to think he was still alive. That's why burying it near the river makes sense. . Tena's Bar is far removed from any drop zone or urban area - in those days. My cousins used to fish there, One cousin used to patrol it .. Until 1980 it was buried UNDER topsand. COVERED IN BRUSH! So what precisely should people have done? Get out their divining rods and walk west miles, at the Columbia River? If this was a plant it was the poorest plant ever, in a remote location, where only time and LUCK would ever uncover it. Jo's account makes as much sense. Even Tom finally accepts the money eroded out of the sand AFTER a prior deposit and years of erosion. 16 DAYS AND COUNTING! ALL RIDERS OF BOOKS SHOULD START PACKING AND HEAD FOR THE HILLS. JUDGEMENT DAY ARRIVES SOON. REPENT. aND YES, WEVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE - only because, you keep going back returning to it. Think out of the sand.

I DO believe the money may have been a plant, a red herring done sometime after the crime to try and throw off the FBI. Why not "plant" it on the doorstep of the Federal Bldg in Seattle in a shoebox with a big red sign? Or mail it to Himmelsbach! Then write a note to a newspaper. If you're going to plant something it has to be findable? Yes? Out in plain sight somewhere? So obviously nobody found it 'buried inthe sand, on Tena's Bar'. Might just as well have buried it in Peru on some mountain top under a boulder! Your allegation the money find 'changed the FBI stance/approach to the Cooper case in 1980, is backed up by what proof? For one thing, it is easily shown the FBI had already changed its stance on the drop sone as early as 1976 at the latest, before the money find. What else are you contending the FBI changed - directly as a result of the money find? 16 DAYS AND COUNTING - GLORY DAY WILL ARRIVE - REPENT -

Only 16 days left until the end of Cooper times. Enjoy it while ya got it! Mountains will quake - seas will rush in - and consume everything Cooper. REPENT! ONLY 16 DAYS LEFT AND COUNTING. FREE AT LAST! FREE AT LAST! ps: Following FREEDOM DAY, there will be a slight delay of two months for a commercials, by known pissers and whiners, in the Cooperphelia.

There is more evidence leading to the idea that he lived, rather than died. . Where? What? New? More than yestereday? Or the day before? Or the day before that? Where? What? HELL I MISSED IT!

Opinions abound and yours is well known - but even if the fingerprints or DNA match Mel or any other suspect - until something is found that says otherwise, there is still no proof that he died that night. Just sayin.... Gee, I wander ef all the stuf on the ty culd be reatid to a printing-engraving onterpriz?

attached - what sort of tool made this shaving from what kind of stock?

Oh well, Let me arsk this? Have you estimated the size of the article the Tom's coil shaving came from?

Jo is shocked!

He got around and got in and out of trouble. Something happened around the early 70's did he just get smarter and not just older? Does Duane's butt print match any on file at the FBI?

You jumped at the thought that TK (quoting georger, secret initials are so James Bond-y) Leave me out of your cynical shit, Son-of-Snow.

I think he means the first nylon parachutes made after they stopped using silk. I'm not the expert on chutes, that's for sure. However.... The 'I Told You So' Department: I was ridiculed (okay...CHALLENGED) when I pointed out that the Amboy chute could not be made of silk because silk is biodegradable and not being packed, it would have soon rotted in the cold, wet ground of Washington state. Yet the FBI continued to leave that explanation on their website and in press releases. Since 2008, no less. To make things worse, para-packer Earl Cossey is on record giving this same reason (silk, not nylon) as to WHY it could not be Cooper's. I also offered a possible reason why the FBI would just do a cursory investigation on the chute and then dismiss it. To admit the Amboy chute could be Cooper's, they would have to retract their position that Cooper died in the Columbia and that's how the money ended up at Tena Bar. Also, they would have to admit that Cooper got away with it, because you need a live person to bury a parachute. Sure, the money could be explained away by saying he died. But not the buried parachute. This, and the recent Marla Cooper claim, (and other stuff) is why I sometimes question the FBI's position on things they say are 'official' in the case. *Question Everything* Woah there Nelly.

TK - "Amboy chute is not silk but a first generation nylon parachute" Quote TK agrees with you. What is "first generation nylon"

Adjust your grid, Ichabod.

attached - A website has recently described the dredge pile at Tina Bar - there were in fact two such piles, deposited between 8/19 - 8/25 1974, explained in an FBI report. See attached.

Moms always know best! attached -

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the Red Lion. At the Red Lion Duane threw a bag in the water I had a dog named Lyon once. She was from Austrailia however. Any relation? Lion ~ Lyon. Small planet!

377 Dont forget, the Boeing guys ran numbers on stresses and everything else. (according to my Boeing sources - they could be all liars! I dont know)