VectorBoy

I think giving people on honest view or warning is on a whole different side of the spectrum, then the scaring to death and trying to permit/stop people from jumping you're trying to sell here.. Sugarcoating everything and telling everyone they'll be fine is also not the way to make it a safer dicipline.. You guys are completely right. I am in no way encouraging getting more suit than anyone needs or adding more risk too early. There are way too many starter suits available to try for first flights. I tend to answer questions directly and what you will never find me doing on DZ.com is sharpshooting somebody's resume via their profile. I just answer the question. Mentoring, coaching is something better done by peers based on direct contact with the person not a half updated profile. That is why I stress get to the flocks. So forgive me if I don't join in with the others in a character assasination within the first replies of a post as is so common today. Anybody who asks a question here pretty much has to defend themselves before they get the first real answer. This MOB gets old!

And nobody even mentions my brilliant Felix quote And I guess views on advising people about safety may differ.. I didn't catch the quote. Can you expound for me. You can't sell safety to a skydiver by scaring them with death, which they think is cool if they survive. Now they are bad ass and unstopable. You can scare them with being profoundly embarrassed at the bonfire for big mouths and poor performance, a fate much worse than death.

Breath? Can you imagine if I could actually type more than 5 words per minute?

You know birdman international will sell and has sold an S3 to someone with very little, as in one jump with a bMI, experience. So if its ok for them............? Recommending a high speed small door aircraft to a low skill jumper is a non event as there are all kinds of low skilled people currently jumping that ship successfully. If you are in a wingsuit just don't open up your wings until you are clear........zero extra skill required. Once the craft is away you open your wings and fly. Eh, safely. This isn't the just off AFF forum. I'm not babysitting anybody. Wingsuits require just a little experience, roughly 200 jumps, and a great deal of desire and enthusiasm. Jumpers should be able to spot and jump master themselves and perform a proper exit from most of the available craft in the airlift inventory by the time they consider wingsuits. When I was at that stage and wanted to try an S3 with just roughly 30 some odd classic jumps we were convinced I was going to flat spin, struggle with body position, and scare myself on the deployment. The only dangerous ( and expensive) thing that happened was that I fell in love.... with wingsuiting. I soared far above my buddies and other than the extra care during the pull the S3 requires that suit was easier to fly, for me, than my classic. Much more stability, range and joy overall. I never gave it back. I bought it then and there. It gets expensive from here on out. The basic fact is that people like you like scaring new comers that if they have too much suit for their skill they will disintergrate on their first HP WS attempt despite having probably enough wingsuit experience to try it once. In the old days it was fraud BMIs with barely 50 ws jumps themselves that talked like this probably worried that some average jumper was gonna hand them their ass on a flight and laugh at what they attempt to charge for a GC,FFC and suit rental so they scared you away from the S3 so they could maintain the advantage . The entire downside of all of this attitude ( like yours ) is that it drives the independent and rebellious skydiver into actually getting more wingsuit than they need, at first. Being flown around flailing or the poor performance for these rebels is a personal dark secret. If they are alone on their DZ nobody will ever know not even themselves. It is a shame but they are not going to spin themselves out of the ionosphere like you say. Its more like having sex with ugly partners, its OK if nobody can see you. But when they get to were the big flocks are they suck. They suck bad and everybody notices mister bigsuit / no-skills. Its like everybody knowing you are having sex with your sister. Just ask anybody who has tried to assemble a flock from a group of jumpers that usually jump alone at their home DZ. Unless they have a bunch of base jumps on their ( god I hate to say this ) ego suit. They will probably be lame but not deadly. If you by accident or due to your rebellious nature find yourself in more suit than you can handle don't panic! Get to where you can jump with others, were the flocks are, if you have to rely on a BMI its OK they probably have more jumps by now and can help. You too can be a safe pilot. Z-flockers and team fly like a brick can make you a better pilot for less beer than it takes to seduce a young attractive packer girl. Get to flocks! I can't stress this enough. Go to where the demos are before you buy: demo,borrow, demo,borrow, flock, flock till you drop. Dissclaimer: You can die in a wingsuit ( its true ) any wingsuit! Yes you can die in t-shirt and shorts too. You are ultimately responsible for choices you make in gear and how you employ it.

What is the deal with belly flyers and free flyers trying to pull us over to their "side". Maybe its just my dropzone but I doubt it. This is the flip side of the often heard "now that I have my license nobody at my drop zone will jump with us brand new jumpers - so I am quiting because solos are boring" that we've have heard too often. Consider yourself lucky that at the dropzones in your area there is a great deal of load organizing catering to the new jumper, building skills and friendships. You can go either way or both. You have options that not every jumper has. You have activities at your disposal every weekend that some faraway jumpers have to take a long time away from work, a great deal of travel and don't forget the money to enjoy. Soak in some belly flying, later try some FF if it appeals to you, If you fancy CReW the CReW pup squad will gear you up when the time comes. More experience might bring you to some wingsuiting and way down the line you might want to go fast and swoop your canopy. You can always do solos and you and your buddy can jump all you want without investing in an RW suit. Outside of competition nobody on your DZ will insist you focus on one and don't complain that everybody wants you.

After watching your video I don't think your flights sucked, for your first few flights that is. You recognize what you need to do to get better and I'm sure you will. We have all seen a lot worse. Is this the same suit design that Jao has been flying here and there while in the states?

You don't have the whole set until you have Lisa the teenage runnaway in the collection.

That s because engineers typically have very little sex. They do have on one hand fantastic diagrams of it but very little practical knowledge of it. Your current female jealous coworkers- raging sluts all of them!

I don't believe anybody cared. not even the girl who raped me.

The very remarkable part of your post was that you jumped a cessna 195. Those are classics here, pilots would be excited just to fly such a fine machine let alone jump from this bird. I envy you Ronaldo.

If you are not completely in control of the suit, it will totally become in control of you. Sure your example of it being different to an HP canopy may seem true, but what if come pull time you lose control (if not before), get yourself into a very nasty flat spin, pull some serious G's, lose conciousness, cant find your hacky, your AAD fires, your resere spins up into a ball of shit and you impact with minimal canopy above your head. Whoa!!!!! that suit sounds like its too much for even someone like me to fly. All that stuff is way scary. I'll stick with an easier suit to fly. BM must be conducting test pilot type interviews with potential customers. Is the flight medical screening included with the purchase price of the suit?

The USPA minimum pull is based on your licence a,b-d with a hardy recommendation to add some extra for wingsuit post deployment stowage.

Only one in eloy Mark?

You guys want a matter 2 for the bird house? It should fit you guys and because I like the way the Z gang rolls it'll go for a song.

If I can choose the exit point(straight line flight) and not have any canopies in the air(so that I can concentrate on my flight ). Hop-n-Pops from 6.5-7k will be the only solo jumps I do. Kris. Can you fly back two miles from 7k to a legal ( and safe) opening altitude right above the DZ? I know some guys who do. Want to know how they practice it?

But that probably wasnt a 4K load..? ..lower exit/shorter freefal, higher exitspeed, different exit/plane all at once is asking for trouble.. You are right it was an atmospheric re-entry exit. Principle is still the same. Ball up roll out. The view was memorable. Different plane, higher speed wouldn't stop anyone from making a "regular" skydive. Treat the first few seconds as a regular exit then fly away, its simple shit. And I'm not recommending anyone bust a lower opening altitude than the governing body recommends. There is still a lot of safe working altitude. Lodi has regular flockage out of a beech 99, otter sized door but still higher speeds than the otter.In lodi wingsuiters fill it. King airs are not the preffered WS craft and low skill hop and pops are not the ideal for new WS jumper exit, but if you wanna ya gotta. Check in with what some of the northern DZ guys do during their slow season: Low exits, poor temps, poor visibilty, circuit flights avoiding low rain clouds and all out of cessna. Prodigys and vampires alike uncurrent and happy to be there piled in a 182. The king air ws flight sounds good to them right about now and you guys sound like pussies to those brave men but don't be mad they are just jealous of you turbinites.

I did a bunch of helo and balloon wingsuit jumps before I had 30 jumps on wingsuits and you only get about 4~4.5K from these craft around these parts and thats if you are lucky. I had scarcely above 30 wingsuit jumps when I exited a king air ----- the fastest----the one that does not slow down much for exits. I knew what to do ball up and roll out. Its still an easier exit than a cessna. All of the above well within my comfort level and smack up in the upper end of my Joy level. This is not the canopy for low timer answer forum. My replies are real answers for the "why would". If you won't thats fine but a bunch of us did with no worries. I know a couple of guys that prefer hop & pops for their V2 flights. There is no issue running out of stamina and they get a clear indication of ground covered. Hop and pops are not for everyone but there are some reasons why someone could benefit from being capable doing WS Hop n pops. Sooner or later. You never know when your planned full alti jump will become a hop and pop. Skydive for more than a few years and it WILL happen to you.

1 For test of your max glide without running out of stamina in some strainful suits. 2 Because weather or ATC does not permit full altitude. 3 Because its fun too.

Does anybody know if the DZ close Tony factory has wingsuit demos available for walk ins? Or will the jumper need to prearrange? It might be nice to be demoed up before the technical flockage commences.

FLOCK N DOCK!!!! come find out for your self! That would be DEMO N DOCK

Zestfully clean!

Do they have snow? Its been dry

Toasty warm, arid visibility unlimited. 70s at altitude, tons of loads...........perfect time to buy a spanky new wingsuit. Which one do you guys think I should buy?

PS And to the person comparing me buying a v2 or a blade to a velo I would like to say that you are comparing apples to oranges, Don't blame Zach he is just screaming jealous at the fact that he missed on the PR boogie were he could have "sky posed" with purple Mike and that he lives in the friged north and isn't experiencing, like you and I are, some of the best flocking weather the Socal has ever seen for these times of the year. He is normally quiet a pleasant bitch. Man I love global warming! Lets keep it up fosilheads!

There is not a mark on my Phacro from my last landing. Your suit would not be in any danger. Just don't let me borrow your legs. Or my canopy.