VectorBoy

How do you think Robi calculates Glide? Kris. Trigonometry and a mountain? I'm not sure I've never asked. Robi, I must ask how do you calculate glide?

You need to add some question mark punctuation to that last post Jason.

Of course it works. But what is the exceptable variance in accuracy? Will it help you support claims of accurate Fantastic glide rates? Would you rely on an audible that was thousands of feet off? How about an ADD with the same accuracy? IS it neat to plot your flight over a map for grins? Works great for this!

maybe even the west coast. I love you guys!

You may be confusing this with an airfoil that is designed to be "turbulated". More effective use of lift at slower speeds with a lot of spanwise segments. Kind of like some ultralights. Or you may be referring to the texture of most supersonic aircraft that is somewhat textured and not smooth. This keeps the first boundary layer energized and not so sticky. What I'm refering to is the definitive loss off lift in my S3 that was backvented and airlocked compared to a very similar sized straight production model. Imagine an S3 that never has any arm strain, ever. The reason was that the pull from lift was never great enough to be felt by the human arm on the backvented model. And the kicker was that good flockers can always fly their regular non-backvented wingsuit on their backs very efficiently. I got tons of video of this.My V-2 is of course non vented but I have flown it for a few moments inverted just fine. I love the ACRO and want one. I have not tested the Phacro which offers a non-vented version the phantom to compare. I would love to test the "air tightness" of the Blade.

I used to fly sailplanes, they killed the lift by blocking off the top of the wing, not leaking air. Hell, the wing of a modern glider is so finely tuned that even something as small as droplets of water on the top surface brings a noticeable change in performance. I don't think wingsuits are that good yet. Those are called critical laminar flow. Have you seen the spoilers on some "fast glass" homebuilts? Not the aspect ratio of the long sleek glider wings but in some regards just as critical. Some of those have spoilers the size of a sandwich and are very effective.

Whoa! This is nice I really like the default Organization in depth depending on attendance. Maybe Z-hills really is the center of the evolution of human flight. Maybe some other westcoasters should attend. This could be big! This could bigger than Russia and Germany combined big! And that no flocker left behind brings a tear to my eyes. I'm completely serious!!!!

And even if they did I'd have to become a much better flyer for it to actually matter Actually this is not true. It takes very little air leaking up into your upper camber surface to absolutely kill any lift. Look up Sailplane spoilers. In most cases they are tiny little doors that can bring a wing with fantastic glide ratio down quik. This will not be based on your skill but just the fact that air is flowing over the bottom and top of the wing while its loaded. Anybody who flew My suit back to back with a standard suit of the same proportions would agree. The workmanship on my prototype S3's back vents was excellent, but it was a lot more work for what it was worth and when you factor in the loss in regular performance. You can't tell when flocking in the 70s range like we all did back a few years ago but as flocks get faster and flatter you will work hard to keep in it.

Just another way to see suit potential thats all. I don't think I follow your logic. Isn't that like giving me Luigi's VX(sub100) to see what it can do. Or giving me Valentino Rossi's ride to check its potential. I both am a competent canopy pilot and bike rider at my current level of wing/power loading but I am not likely to do anything that I can't do on my daily canopy or street bike unless I push them in which case I have the potential to brake some bones. Now I don't think a novice on a new HP suit will brake any bones but they are not going to TAP its potential unless by accident. That is unless a suit is absolutely intuitive to use. I know the v-2 is not. Its not hard to learn but learn how to fly it you must, over time. Having experience in other high performance suits helps. There is a little voice that tells me the mach-1 isn't an intuitive suit either.

But afterall, my attendance there will more in the capacity of a student anyway (same as westcoast). BS we had to put base PCs on his ankles just to slow Tony down to regular guy flock speed. That guy is a zipper!

Hey this is an S-6 thread. Either post your S6 or start a blade picture tread. I can't believe you had a patch sewn on already. That will create unwanted drag.

But your S3 didn't have airlocks on the front inlets. I see each has its own. No mine did not have a lock on each vent but instead a single lock that would flop over to the other side. I wouldn't mind seeing one in pressure mode on the ground.

Those less jaded by what they might have heard, ets. Once again, I don't care who kicks ass in which suit. Chuck Actually, we both know you do! Quiet a bit. And its the topic of this tread. Which we are both all over.

There were actually more wingsuiters there that never made a jump at the boogie but passed through collecting partners for off airport jumps. This had a thinning effect on some flocks.

You do mean experienced pilots, correct? Wouldn't you want a pilot that has figured out the suit in question via a multitude of jumps and one with the experience to have body awareness?

This is going to be the end all world cup, definitive word, BS stopping,winner take all competition. Nobody serious about it will mount the extra weight and drag of a camera. In fact, I expect to see some muppet head and leg hair shaving to be really competitive. Some ground judges should be utilized to avoid the arguments and the whole "best two out of three" that will be recommended by sore losers. Sorry, I have kids and this comes up a lot. I can't wait to have them buy me beer before making bets.

With the big arm and legwing, and the airlocks in the legwing (really having to push the wing empty, if you want to deflate it) adding a little bit of extra care on opening...its not a suit for beginners... I had an S-3 with airlocked backvents. There was no difference between it and a regular S3 in regards to pressurization. Does the blade have a complex Labyrinth seal in the airlock to keep the air in when on the ground? Or is each inlet equiped with its own lock?

Ask Scott, or some other people in the know...the reason it wasnt introduced earlyer, is because of the extensive testing.. just because you dont see everything, doesnt mean its not hapening... Oh I don't need to ask Scott I believe that you guys, BO and Jarno,believe that you have tested this suit to great lengths. I'm pretty sure it will be at least a good suit. I've never flown any bad wingsuits, they are all good. This post is not brand bashing. The BM add doesn't sound to be intending the blade for new flyers. And what I'm saying is that for a lot of wingsuit jumpers who have pretty good older suits (or multiple suits) that work ,fit and fly well already. In order to qualify another major purchase this suit must be on an order of a magnitude better. And not just declared better by the team that put the whole thing together whom, I believe honestly, believe and have faith in their product. Despite that there are a core of us that can have several suits. The majority of jumpers only own one wingsuit. Answers to questions that will be revealed in the field and can't possibly be answered now are: Is it a max glide performance suit? If it is how does it compare with existing max glide designs? Is this a general purpose suit w/ back flight capacity? If its general purpose how does it compare with what is out there now? If its aerobatic how does it compare with suits specific to this type of flying? Who is this marketed for. Sometimes the manufacturer of a product doesn't even know. Does this make more sense?

Dude you sound edged, everything oK?

Lets see last year you had PF demos of every model and around 10 PF instructors Call Tony suits --- they like to travel and push their suits Well maybe not if there will be "really"capable PF pilots there..

-that couple from Ogden. Baxter would know who they are. -bill, but i didnt' see him WS much. Steve S and his girlfriend. They were only there a day and a half so you didn't see them on all of our flocks. Then there was Ira. Dave from Boston. Clint tell PF to send more organizers to help the suit pushers when they can't organize.

I guess that if you buy the BLADE you will have one of the most tested suit ever. I really like to wait until the new suits are field tested for a while if you know what I mean. We watched various Vampires in the field for 2 years to make sure we could rule out any individual pilot phenoms before commiting to a purchase. Its easy to get swallowed in the initial hype.

I like that it doesn't have shot shell holders. Where is the inlet for the leg wing when back flying?

I like the spaceballs version better.....ludicrous speed!

This question has been hashed over so much that it's pointless to do it again. mine vs yours and manufacturer vs manufacturer. We've now moved into "GPS data is bullshit" ... Scott Scott I'm done with my manufacturer Vs yours. I've moved on to my west coast buddies out fly your east coast buddies. And little GPS thingies are useless from all munufacturers. PS: My microwave landing approach system is better than your GPS landing approach system. That will be my next one.