VectorBoy

do the math Happy New Year Everyone! B2 Its new years day. My liver has shut down, I can't feel my face, my voice is horse and I can't stand the light. I couldn't tie my shoes if I wanted to right now and you give me math home work? Yeah Merry New Years to you to toots.

Were they putting 1000~1100 jumpers per day as they did last year? Its a very busy boogie!

You are absolutely correct. I have felt for some time that there is way too much "digital fixation" and its not just by the new flyers, experienced jumpers are 50% of the "digitally distracted". If you fly alone then there is no fault in being good friends with your neptune and protrack. But keep in mind when you join flocks there will other methods to benchmark performance. Performance flying is just that, being precise and in control. Its no different than other forms of skydiving. You have to fly your slot AND your heading. I have three audible alti's and they never perfectly agree. I'm sure if I added some form of GPS I would just have another completely different number to conflict with the existing three, No thanks.

92? That's a good amount of air... So, when you going? Its enough air to hurt your back. I keep it charged so I can go anytime I want. Middle of the night, dawn patrol. Whenever dive buddies say go.

The towel-carrying skill development is a little weak, though; you just have to build those up after you get your certification. Good luck! For clarification exactly how do you want the towels carried? This cabana boy babble about towels is giving me this porkies revenge visual and I find it, well disturbing. Its not that I can't carry them that way, I can. Its just been a while. But in these cold waters the towel hook gets a little soft. BTW the scuba pro steel 92 is charged up and sitting behind me along with some 8 mil suits good to the low 50s.

I don't care if it's a fake, pos heavy ass car.. it's just cool that it actually LOOKS like a 2 million dollar F50. For your information a roven woven lay-up is almost nonstructural, very heavy, very weak. It is used mostly on very cheap fast food patio furniture and some crappy rowboats that dont get used to often. It is rarely found on any moving structure in large amounts. It is used sparingly on some marine applications and sadly more so on some marine application where cost outweighs the weight and strenght required. But in a car it should crack really bad within a few months. I wouldn't be so down on these hacks if they would have used carbon or fiberglass, even cheap stuff. But they used roven the only way they could have done worse is to use a chopper gun and spray the matrix on.

They used roven woven in their composite lay-ups. That makes it official it is a turd three time heavier than the NSX they butchered. LAHooozers!

I dunno. Rotax (4 strokes) fall into the top end of that category. Jabiru does as well. My personal favorite, the Rotec radial ('cause it sounds "right") also falls into the top end of that category. Yes but these are WAY more expensive than a used certifiable ( but not yellow tagged, overhauled by the experimenter ) 200 horse aircraft engine used in an uncertified airframe. So now you have an airframe with an overpowered and overweighted engine at a fraction of the cost of the Jabiru, rotec., rotax and other new examples, with many parts available cheap as long as you don't plan to use it in a certified application. >You also have the option of using variations of the Continental or Lycoming 65-90 hp aircraft (or GPU)engines that have been around since the late 30's......without some of the limitations placed on you by FAR's that regulate their use in certificated airframes. I know this and about a hundred other facts of trying to convert non-aeropower for use in aviation application and can give you three decades of a failing track record with those experiments.

There is a big gaping vacuum in aviation engines below 100 horse power. Its a big reason the new affordable sport plane market isn't bigger than it is. Don't confuse these with slow ultralights. These are faster, carry more and go farther than ultralights. In 1977 Rutan designed the original single place quickie airframe for two business men to use in their kit which featured a ( I kidd you not ) 20 horse Onan generator/lawn mower engine. Other engines tried in this category of aircraft without resorting to two stroke rotaxs and their problems: BMW twin opposed boxer motors, the french built 2CV opposed twin out of their cute little citroen. VW engines sliced down to two cylinders. And there are small aircraft running on some of the bigger briggs and Stratten motors. So how does the Harley V twin stand in this category now that you see some of the other options?

Most people never do now a days. They just replace it cheaply. Walmart has stuff built just for them that is so cheap and junky you just toss it and its not worth getting a repair man, or it is impossible since walmart put them out of business. Sears is another story in that they have their own repairman on the payroll who gets tortured everyday trying to repair cheap junk commisioned by his very same company.

Sorry Jake, you are right. You deserve better than that man. Tell me you had all of your rigs and skydive camera gear with you in the hills and not at the scene.

Who goes to the Movies in the Morning?!!? what kinda wierdo movie theatres do YOU go to?!? 1st question= alcoholics. Its nice and quite if your hungover, easy to park and everyone leaves you alone ( there is noone there to bug you). 2nd question= Same ones I go to. Matinee at 10:00 am or noon. And I don't have to share my booze with any other dogz.

Also bare in mind that some dryer drums just rotate on a couple of carbon skids up front while sandwiched between "felt" glides or seals on either end against the housing, not on lifetime ballbearings or even simple bushings . As these wear over time that little old motor is pushing worn out junk. If these items are worn looking into a new machine would be smart.

Umm, ok. I'll be there in a couple weeks anyway. Ed You got fins? Of course you will have to write a chapter in the BMCI master manual under "effective extended flight surfaces and their uses" if this works out. I don't want to bring you any extra work load.

A fire at work on christmas morning forcing our unit offline. Well at least noone was hurt.

This may be food for thought for the wingsuit makers Kim. I think Jimmy Trantor ( spl ) would be the expert on flying something like this. I don't know for sure if He has wingsuit experience. I would be crazy enough to try this if someone was crazy enough to video my try.. and of course provide the freedive fins. My scuba pro fins are square and have too much drag, these look sleek.

That was general comment, some other people do get wadded. The atmonauti isn't a new arguement.It has been around for a few years. I like the use of the term to describe the dive to someone who may be new to head down but could have a safe time on this jump. If someone had 40 jumps and wanted to come on this type of jump because its referred to as tracking, would that be safe IYO? Bird-man, Loic, Matter did not invent the modern day wingsuits that are safe for the average 500 jump experienced jumper. But we credit them with promoting them and regard them as the inventors.

Looks like you'll be the first to buy one then right Glen? Ed Probably not the first but..... I would in a heart beat if they could also include a small LCD monitor for real time video viewing. Not so much for the practicality of it, but for the fact it would drive Quade crazy everytime he sees it. I'm sure JP would use that same feature to moniter the flock thats behind him when he is the rabbit. Another developement could be an infra red or laser targeting system with receivers mounted on your opponents wingsuits for a real aircombat wingsuit eddition. That would keep those wayward flockers from trying to adapt paintball guns to wingsuits or helmets. I only see good things from this. Whats the worst that can happen?

rotflmao... It does sound funny and is hard for some gringos to say so we are going to start an ..other...other sub discipline of it and call it Nauti dolphine. And just like the appeal of the horny gorilla, intrigued jumpers will just have to investigate for them selves "what is this dive that lets you be naughty"? Lets play.

My camera ringsight doesn't get ripped off my helmet. Where are you sticking your helmet?

My pre-S3 is the same wing size and shape as production with the exception of back vents and airlocks for inverted flight. And it had no grippers. Now it has Phatboy grippers.

Just a serious note of caution from our S&TA...if you fly into jump run, it aint gonna be pretty What if you are where requested to be and the jump run flys into you?

We call RW different things. Somehow its ok to define 4-way, 8-way, 16-way. I'm sure if I started saying its all the same some competitive icon would interupt me and tell me How mistaken I am. To some people its absolutely the same,to others its worlds apart. So Marco and Gi promote and define a flying style ( familiar or not ) that they base an entire skydive on and not the few seconds that it takes to dive down to an RW formation. You guys get all up tight about what to call it and who invented it. Your panties are on too tight and thats a bad thing for a skydiver. The arguement that the pioneers ( defined by the guys that made it mainstream and not so fringe, circa the early nineties. Yes I know it was around way before this but those individuals didn't do as much for the mass popularity of it ) of freeflying did it first falls short when one can say that in dozens of commercial video releases not one screen second is devoted to the dubious position formally defined as the Atmonauti. In fact even some of the well known names and early nineties practitioners of the birth of freeflying that are featured in those same videos have no problems recognizing Marko and Gi as inventors and promoters of the atmonauti. Then why should you? If the instructors of flight club came out came out with a new form of tracking and decided to call it killer pimp tracking I doubt there would be any issues. When our load organizers say they are going to organize a jump nobody bats an eyelash when they call it a tracking, head down or an atmonauti. To us that want to play it just defines what it is, how it is different from the other and helps us decide if we may or not want to go on it. All three are different enough to require vastly different skill levels to play safely. Most anybody could ( and should )go on tracking jumps while not everybody should just throw themselves on a head down jump with an LO. Yet everybody just want to call this tracking.

Ooooooo, haven't tried that in a wing suit yet. Hmmmm.... me thinks it might be done..... Its been done although I doubt there is any video of it. The flyer was wearing my old classic and filming two other flockers and stayed in the position for a long time. I'm glad he wasn't wearing one of my S3s as I don't think the butt flap could take being in a tailslide for very long without excessive wear. Its something to explore if your suit doesn't have the skyflyer/vampire leg wing vent system.

Anyway, I was wondering how on earth the sitflying translates to Atmonauti? That just doesn't make any sense to me. Please explain further. You misunderstand, sit flying has nothing to do with atmonuati. Well unless you are Gi, then you can fly it in a de-arched stand... feet first. Head down has more things in common with the atmonauti but in atmonauti you are not traveling at 180 mph like you are in a true HD. And until you are well versed in it, it is mostly a two dimensional on you back or facing down type of flight. The true atmonaut can fly in any body position forming rounds and banking their posture relative to the horizon. I shot video of some nice rounds and point turning atmonauts but for the most part the bulk was just front fly and a back fly two tier formation. This is one reason why everybody just lumps it in with tracking. Of course if I posted screen grabs of the rounds everyone would say HD until it was refenced with the horizon.