Belgian_Draft

I understand your point of view. I don't agree with much of it, but I understand many feel the same way as you. The concept of war is much different now than it was 225 years ago. Back then, it was pretty much cut and dried whether two countries were at war. Now, we have all kinds of excuses for the pres to send troops into harms way. NATO, UN, "guarding American interests", etc. all have been used by presidents to bypass congress. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

What questions did you find that are not factual? I realize you are not a fan of the current administration, but the three branches of government are the same now as they were 200 years ago. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

An unfair question, in that I don't think they actually offered the correct answer. Wasn't the debate about whether new states would (or could) be slave-owning or emancipated, and in what proportion? Mike. Yes, you are right. And so is the correct answer. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I'm sure a place or two can be found in the private quarters of the White House for Obama to light up a smoke now and then. However, the "business" areas should remain smoke free just like most of the rest of the country. It's really no big deal. Unless, of course, he shakes his finger at the camera and says," I did not smoke that cigarette, that Marlboro. Ok, so I took one drag...but I didn't inhale!" HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

there is no precedent to the way the Iraq war was justified and started. Plain and simple. Very little in politics or war is plain and simple. When combined, nothing is. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Just as there isn't one iota of evidence for his non-existence. I could say the world is the result of a giant dog taking a dump in space and we are all formed from tapeworm larvae. Using your logic, it would be just as likely as the God scenario since you have absolutely no proof it WASN'T a giant dog. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Some were very easy, some I had to really think about, but.... "You answered 33 out of 33 correctly — 100.00 % Average score for this quiz during December: 74.9% Average score: 74.9%"

Bush did not set any precedent. He just followed those that were already there. If you want to punish those who set them, you will have to dig 'em up. "We" would not rather see him impeached. Some of us do, but certainly not all and most likely not even anywhere close to a majority. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Sorry..old joke. W was reading the morning paper and the headlines said 12 Brazilian troops killed in Iraq. He looked over at Cheney and asked "How many is a brazilian?" Actually, it's Massillon. Paul Brown started his football career here. Nearby in Canton professional football was founded, hence the reason we have the Pro Football Hall of Fame . The Massillon/Mckinley high school football rivalry dates back to 1891. Q: Why doesn't Canton, home of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, have a professional football team? A: Because if they had one then Cleveland would want one too! HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

No that would have been too disruptive and I think its good they did not impeach him even if he deserved to be stripped of his power. Well, the problem is the principal of legal precedence. Nixon resigned under threat of impeachment for what he did. This was a deterrent for later administrations. If we let Dubya get away with wiping his ass with the Constitution and acting like this is a dictatorship, then what is to stop the next POTUS who harbors delusions that he is answerable to no one? Do you think Frat Boy Bush is the first to abuse his power? Granted he has, but he had plenty of precedent to go on. Lincoln abused the power of his office to forever revoke states' rights. This may seem a good place to say "Clinton did it first", but he didn't. He and Bush are just two of many Presidents who felt they can do what they want without repercussion. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I love ammo cans...'specially FULL ONES!

No, we would rather see the SOB impeached. No, we'd rather just let him ride out his term and disappear into the sunset. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

No No No No, but it would be a nice elective. Sweat pants. No. Anybody who pays $295 for a bottle of Grey Goose Vodka is retarded rif-raf. Not all do. Some deserve surgical castration. Yes. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I am still waiting for you to explain where you got the idea that i was even suggesting such a thing. I didn't say you were suggesting it. I said Mike Ditka suggested it. Then I asked you if you thought it was a good idea. That's not pointing an accusing finger at you - it's asking for your opinion. Why don't you just answer the question? Yes or No? With a simple two or three letter answer, you can be done with it and end this silly evasiveness. Have you been taking debating lessons from kallend? I didn't answer it because it was totally out of place, like something you dragged in from left field. Like I said, there was no mention of taking any guns from anyone (except Mr. Shot Myself) until you posted your item that had as much to do with the topic as the speed limit outside the club he was at. So, to answer your question and maybe help you relax a tad, NO, I don't think we should take guns away from athletes because some brainless idiot shot himself. We should only prevent PB from carrying concealed ever again since he has proven he can't handle the reponsibility that goes with it. As easy as it is to point a pistol in the wrong direction, we should be grateful he didn't shoot someone else. Accidents don't "just happen". They are the end result of a chain of events that can be stopped at many different links if people are careful. As far as I am concerned there is absolutely no excuse...NONE!...for firearms accidents. Now, since I went off topic and answered you question, can we please return to the discussion of how athletes with no brains get through college. Your input would be welcome. There are plenty of gun control threads you can post to. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You made that OP, and then in message #3 you were already off on your own tangent about how the football team was more important than the student body. Then in message #6 you started talking about how important the coaches were. jakee's first entry in the thread was in message #11, talking about wreaths and chicken feathers. None of those subjects from the two of you had anything to do with the original topic either. I love irony. You guys are guilty of your own complaint! Apparently you weren't too concerned about things straying off-topic, because you were causing it yourself. But somehow when I do it, it's a horrible tragedy. Ha! Kallend made the second post, which directly addressed the question I asked about how PB got through college. He also made a remark that is directly related to college sports when he talked about coaches salaries. Jakee's comment on laurels was a direct link to that post by Kallend. Nobody went off on a tangent, the conversation stayed on the subject of how someone with so few brain cells could get through college. Your post, on the other hand, asked me if i wanted to do something that wasn't related either to my original post nor any susequent posts.. I am still waiting for you to explain where you got the idea that i was even suggesting such a thing. Not everybody is trying to take your guns away, John. (I'm a life NRA member, remember?) HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Uh, Mike Ditka did exactly that. And that's what is being discussed. Mike Ditka has not posted on this thread. Check out how John dragged him into the conversation. It makes absolutely no sense. You apparently don't understand how these conversations work. The thread started with the talk about the football player who had an accidental discharge of his gun, injuring himself. Mike Ditka made a comment about that accident, which makes it a fair subject to introduce into the discussion. They're related - get it? Therefore, it makes perfect sense. And of course, you, nor anyone else, gets to control what happens in these threads - they just go where they want to go based upon the participants. So either ride along, or if you don't like it, hop off. You apparently don't listen, but that's no great shock. It's the manner in which you brought him into the thread, using him to counter suggestions that had not even been made. The accusatory questions you asked of the OP had no basis in what had been written by him or anyone else. You were responding to something that simply wasn't there. Exactly right. The OP was about someone handling a firearm without using his brain. It had nothing to do with gun control laws. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Uh, Mike Ditka did exactly that. And that's what is being discussed. Mike Ditka has not posted on this thread. Check out how John dragged him into the conversation. It makes absolutely no sense. Of course, I don't think Chuck Norris posts on here either, but by God we invoke His Name all the time. Q: What does Mike Ditka eat for breakfast? A: ANYTHING HE FUCKIN' WANTS Chuck Norris Lets Him!! Fixed it for ya. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Uh, Mike Ditka did exactly that. And that's what is being discussed. We're not talking about a bit player in the world of the NFL. We're talking about Iron Mike. That may be lost on the non Americans here. Consider him on par with the Maradonnas of the futbol world. What Jakee is referring to is how John somehow read into my OP that I was wanting to ban a person or group of people from owning guns. In my post I never, not once, suggested anything of the sort. While I feel PB has shown himself to be too irresponsible to be allowed to carry a gun, I didn't mention even that until after John suggested i wanted to ban all athletes from carrying. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Too bad PB can't be charged with "criminal stupidity". HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I think they both need help, but to say nobody thinks they are just fine is not an accurate statement. I know several people who feel there is nothing wrong with either and at least one person who thinks both should be eliminated entirely. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean I discount their opinion. I'll discount the opinion of anyone who thinks the government that sweep aside its obligations and not destroy itself in the process. If they think it's fine, they probably think pyramid schemes work too, or just don't understand math well. The man i know who would feel ok with the government doing away with social security and Medicare isn't an evil person, or seven ignorant. He just feels very strongly that people should take care of themselves. His views are rather harsh and cold-hearted, but I don't discount them just because i don't agree with them. If I did that with everyone I know i would soon be out of friends. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Texas too? I thought it was Tennessee where you can divorce your wife but she's still your sister. Tennessee Anthem? www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYlJH81dSiw HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I think they both need help, but to say nobody thinks they are just fine is not an accurate statement. I know several people who feel there is nothing wrong with either and at least one person who thinks both should be eliminated entirely. I don't agree with them, but that doesn't mean I discount their opinion. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I see absolutely nothing in his post that indicates that. Why on earth do you think that is his position? Counterpoint, do you think accidentally shooting oneself in the leg in a nightclub indicates a sensible, responsible person? Re: see absolutely nothing... Because he says so in the quote in the news story. I don't see how you could have missed it. Where in my post did I say that? The only statement to that effect was in the quote from Mike Ditka that you yourself posted. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I use the same metric everyone else uses-my own. What I feel is best is undoubtedly different than what you feel is best which is different from anyone else. I would consider "basics" to be those services that the country could not function without. Since there has already been a thread where people have discussed what government should do and not do, I will dispense with any sort of itemized list. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

No government is perfect. That said, the best governments are those that do the basics and very little more. Whether health care, social security, etc. need fixed depends on who you talk to. Some think health care is an emergancy situation that needs attention NOW, others think it is just fine. But no matter what issue government is taking a look at, change for the sake of change is almost always a bum deal. The best way to avoid this is to have a healthy debate with input from all sides. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.