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Come now, lightning follows a predetermined path according to the collection of atmospheric anions and cations. Lightning serves a very important purpose in our ecosystem. Interesting case for comparison with evolution. Would you both share the basis on which you make your comments regarding predicability of lightening? On what extent is the understanding & predictability of generation/occurence of lightning? I.e., is it on the atomic/micro- or macro- level? VR/Marg Sure, I would be happy to. From NOAA, Evolution is much the same in that, given a known environmental change, we can predict, in a general fashion, what traits a species may build upon to aid in it's survival though specific details are almost impossible to predict, i.e. a species of fish adapting to an environmental change by growing it's pectoral fins 2.3 mm longer. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

It is unrealistic and ridiculous for you to expect everyone to read all 30,000, or even 1000, of your posts to learn what your position is on a given subject. BTW, it is your job to perform the duties that your position at your college require. I am pretty sure those duties don't include hundreds of hours of posting on a skydiving forum. So any argument you may put up about not doing something because it isn't your job is also ridiculous. You do realize the time you spent arguing about this is probably much more than if you had just answered my question? SEARCH. What's the matter, Kallend,...does the truth hurt so much you can't give more than a one word answer? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I will agree that obviously the other states had something to due with it....... but, since the final out come was 271- 266. I think it is fair to look at that state of florida results as very questionable. Funny how their system became all screwed up in 2000 with the Bush boys on the loose. No, you can say that about every state where the results were essentially a dead heat. Florida has been notoriously inept at running a clean election of late, but much of the problem exists everywhere, but is only exposed in a tight election. Though the SCOTUS rubs many the wrong way, it didn't change the result. No recount under any method would have given Gore the win. . A democratic method that eliminates the obsolete Electoral College and uses the expressed will of the people in the country as a whole would have given Gore the win. Yes, but that is not how our system works. We have an electoral college, any they chose Bush. Sore loser #4 HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

It is unrealistic and ridiculous for you to expect everyone to read all 30,000, or even 1000, of your posts to learn what your position is on a given subject. BTW, it is your job to perform the duties that your position at your college require. I am pretty sure those duties don't include hundreds of hours of posting on a skydiving forum. So any argument you may put up about not doing something because it isn't your job is also ridiculous. You do realize the time you spent arguing about this is probably much more than if you had just answered my question? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

People who say life can't start on it's own have never seen the inside of my fridge. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything. You haven't been here long. Don't assume nothing happened until you arrived. Well, excuse me for asking you to actually expend some energy to tap some keys. I have assumed nothing. Just tell me where in this thread you have actually made such suggestions? Who said it was in this thread. When you arrive late to a party, don't expect the rest of us to search out everything you missed. Well, Mr. Kallend, when a person participates in an online forum, such as this one, there is the expectation that other people will join at various times and will not have had the pleasure of reading everything you wrote in the past. Doing a quick search using "kallend guns" returned almost 1000 posts. Though muct better than reading through your almost 30000 posts over the last 7 years it is still far too many for you to realistically expect a person to read through when you could give them the same information in a couple lines of text. In summary, don't assume everyone has read everything you ever posted. It is a ridiculous assumption to make. The only thing I assumed was that you would actually back up your position with substance, but I guess I was wrong. So, with that in mind, I'll just assume you are only here to troll and that you have no meaningful contribution to make to the discussion. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

By way of historical perspective, LBJ and Nixon, each of whom were incredibly self-absorbed, were replaced by Ford and Carter, each of whom were pretty decent, and arguably even humble, fellows - but neither of whom were re-elected. The rest (i.e., the following 28 years), as they say, is history. In a democracy, people get the government they deserve. If The People want decency in government, it's up to Them to put it there, and it's up to Them to keep it there. +1 Probably the most intelligent post in this thread. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

What faith does it take to believe something that happened? There is plenty of evidence from research that shows how life could have started without any intelligent amnipulation, yet not one shred that it was started with. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

It isnt about being a sore loser. It is about admitting that this president has been a disaster for not only the US, but the entire world. How you or anyone intelligent person can sit there and defend him is beyond me. There is a reason the 75% of Americans are GLAD that he is finally out of office. There is a reason that he has the lowest approval ratings of any president ever. Wake up, smell the coffee. I'm not defending Bush at all. merely the process he was elected by and, back to the OP, his decision to "un-pardon". I am among those who are glad he is leaving office, almost as happy as I was to see Clinton leave. On a scale of 0-5, 5 being best, I would rate each of them a 2. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Well, there is no purpose. Things happen all the time with no purpose. I almost laid my bike down today on the highway. There was no purpose to that. There WAS a purpose to my corrective actions that somehow kept it upright, though. In fact, the vast majority of things that take place have no purpose. They just happen. Evolution is one of them. If there were some all-knowing creator watching over everything then we wouldn't need concern ourselves about the fate of polar bears with global warming, now would we? I mean, if He could create all of the entire universe, suely He could make the bears evolve and adapt to their changing climate. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

I don't know what terms would better suit you, but evolution does not favor the weak and infertile. Predicting that the strong and fertile will come out on top is a pretty good bet. ... Ok, so you have learned something. You have learned that those most capable of reproducing (which itself requires survival) will pass their advantagous traits onto succeeding generations. But you haven't made a prediction yet. reciting how evolution works is not a prediction anymore than explaining how a car moves is a prediction of where it will travel. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Better study up. Between a certain Ms Harris an Jeb boy and the SCOTUS stopping the recount is how Bush STOLE the election from THE PEOPLE. God I sure as hope Jeb stats in Texas. yep. Harris and jeb ran around the state forcing people to not vote, vote for someone they didn't want to, make ballots disappear, etc. SCOTUS stepped in because Gore was making a mockery of the election process. Every time he got his recount, it was only the counties he wanted counted... the ones where his support was greatest. Even then, the gap between heim and Bush kept getting wider and wider. The election was decided according to the constitution. If you don't like that, then change the constitution. Eight years should be long enough for you to get over the sore loser syndrome. Nobody stole anything. Fuck dude. I can dig up so much bullshit it isn't funny. Ya know how many times Jeb denied all kinda crap. And here is the SCOTUS ruling. http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LAW/12/13/scotus.election.05/ More crap. And man Harris, Mr. Martinez and a few others were handsomly rewarded for their lies and deciet. You are another SHEEP. I'm done here. That is my home state and I followed everybit of the theft of the election. Go OBAMA. Your home state is FLA? Then you should know more about what went on then you do. The only sheep are those followers of Al Gore. So, tell me, which sore loser number were you? The only thing better than seeing Gore and Kerry lose is watching their deciples whine and cry "foul". HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything. You haven't been here long. Don't assume nothing happened until you arrived. Well, excuse me for asking you to actually expend some energy to tap some keys. I have assumed nothing. Just tell me where in this thread you have actually made such suggestions? HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Yes, that is normal. It happens every election in almost every state. Wanna get rich quick? Come up with a tamper proof voting system that can be operated by infants. It seems no matter how simple voting is made, people find a way to screw it up. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Better study up. Between a certain Ms Harris an Jeb boy and the SCOTUS stopping the recount is how Bush STOLE the election from THE PEOPLE. God I sure as hope Jeb stats in Texas. yep. Harris and jeb ran around the state forcing people to not vote, vote for someone they didn't want to, make ballots disappear, etc. SCOTUS stepped in because Gore was making a mockery of the election process. Every time he got his recount, it was only the counties he wanted counted... the ones where his support was greatest. Even then, the gap between heim and Bush kept getting wider and wider. The election was decided according to the constitution. If you don't like that, then change the constitution. Eight years should be long enough for you to get over the sore loser syndrome. Nobody stole anything. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Florida had a normal amount of problems that year. Every state has problems every year. Florida 2000 only jumps out because Gore chose that state to make a stand. If he had chose another state than IT would be the one remembered. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You can start with some new laws for home kerosene heaters. "Seven die, two hurt in intense blaze" http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/Seven_die_in_intense_S_Philly_blaze.html When 11,000 homicides are committed annually with flame throwers and kerosene heaters combined, then we will have a problem as serious as the problem we have RIGHT NOW with guns. Until then, you are just trying to distract from the serious issues concerning your playthings. You still have yet to offer up viable solutions. Rhetoric alone will not change anything. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Florida was the deciding state? What happened to the other 49? Florida wasn't the only state with a close vote, it was just the one that Gore thought he had the best chance of getting a recount in his favor. But, as it turned out, no matter how many times they counted the votes, he still lost. Yes, it is interesting. But that is the way our system works. And I agree that it subtracts from the value of some citizens votes. This last election ended up being the large population centers that are both coasts deciding the future of a country locked between them. We'll have to wait and see how that works out. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

As a matter of fact, I happen to agree with you on that. Bush didn't start it, nor did he do anything about it. That was going on long before he ever took office. If you still feel he stole the election, maybe you should study up on civics. An understanding of how our government and it's systems work would go a long way to helping you understand why his election was completely legit and legal, as was his re-election. Most sore losers got over that years ago. I, for one, am looking forward to moving on after 16 years of self absorbed idiots for President. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

Spotted?? I always thought she was striped. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

So what other possibility is there? How can this pardon be put in a better light? Please take away some of my "hate". He has pardoned one of the people that lead to one of, it not the worst times in American history. Well I guess Bush should feel bad about it though, since because of his stance on regulation of these people lead to the problem in the first place. You really think that Bush is not an awful president? What drugs are you on and can you please share them with the rest of the American Public. We really need a release from the past 8 years. He stole his first election with the help of his brother and helped to create the fear that was needed to win the second election. As far as the donations not being large amounts of money....... well you need to look at what amounts people usually donate to political parties and the limits that we have on such donations. That is a VERY large donation to a political party. The truth is that he either didnt do his homework or he is stupid enough to think that no one would find out or care about this pardon. I dont know which reason is worse. What other possibility? Do you even read these posts before replying? There is the possibility that it all happened just the way he said it did...that he did not know of the political donations when he pardoned the guy. When he found out about the donations, he retracted the pardon. THAT possibilty. No, I don't think he was an awful President. I don't think he was great or even good, but he wasn't awful. I won't bother explaining why I feel that way since it is evident your mind is made up that he is the Devil himself. Your hate is for you to deal with. A therapist may be able to help. I'm sure you can find one in the phone book. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

That is a definition of evolution. A very simple one at that. But it is not in any way a prediction. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You need to enlarge your picture. The forces of evolution work to select for the fittest, which leave more offspring. That is exactly what I said. that is evolution in a nutshell.This is a predictable outcome of evolution. Like I said, it is as predictable as the environment. A species will evolve and adapt differently to an increasingly cold environment than it will to one that gets warmer. _____________________________________ _____________________________________ -- The idea that there is some kind of manipulation behind it is absurd. Forces combine to produce lightning, which has a predictable and specialized outcome, yet I doubt many people today would seriously consider there to be any "purposeful manipulation" behind it. Come now, lightning follows a predetermined path according to the collection of atmospheric anions and cations. Lightning serves a very important purpose in our ecosystem. Evolution responds to changes in the environment, it is NOT predetermined. Lightning does follow a somewhat "predetermined" path, but that path changes during the discharge. You are trying to convince us that there is some force that determines the paths and fate of all things and actions, yet your "evidence" can't even hold water. ... HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

You broke the law, now deal with the consequences. That's what you get for not sharing. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It is unfortunate that you have so much hate built up that you fail to consider any possibility other than the one that puts Bush in the worst light possible. I truly feel sorry for you. HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit.