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"You seem to openly with respect discuss incidents and what could have gone wrong. What also can be done to stop this type of incident from happening again." That is in fact the purpose of this forum. The number one guide which appears when peeps post here is placed in their face..... "The purpose of this forum is to report, discuss and learn from fatal and serious non-fatal incidents." "Secondly and most importantly why you feel its ok and its generally accepted that you discuss such events." So we can learn and hopefully avoid repeating unnecessary incidents. I'm pretty sure the families of people who have had their loved ones hurt would wish that their loved ones deaths had not been in vain, and that some good can come from tragedy. I work in the offshore industry in the North Sea, it is quite common for various companies to share lessons learned via safety bulletins, technical reports, and incident enquiries. Even if these reports criticise individual company failings. This is a sport still very much in development, both in equipment design, the way that we use it, and train others to enjoy its use in a safe manner. We have a saying in our wee skydiving family, "Blue skies, black death". This basically means, "hey, have fun, but take care". We recognise that our sport can kill us, and our friends, even if we do everything right. We are not in denial about the risks associated with what we do. Discussing incidents in an open and respectful way is part of understanding those risks, and empowers us to make personal decisions about managing them. I think it is sad that the scuba community does not have this same approach. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Okay, I'm spoken for and don't play the field, but I reckon sense of humour used to be pretty high on my list.

"Personally I would prefer 72 playboy bunnies...but that is just me" Besides, where are you going to find 72 virgins in South Africa? You'd never fit them all in the tank. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"I don't think that you've been appointed to speak on behalf of everyone in England." I'm not, if I was, I'd have a truck load more to say. I am allowed to voice my opinion from a Scottish perspective though. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"This is blackmail. " Kaaaching, of course it is. Its a thinly disguised effort, but it is well timed, and well devised. He may be evil, but he isn't stupid. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"Dresden didn't have any industry nor were any troops gathered in the area." Not strictly true, it had war factories and rail yards. Its located at a major junction on the rail network servicing the Eastern front. Also consider that the terror bombing of these cities, not just Dresden, also Hamburg, Wurzburg, Nuremburg et al was at the suggestion of the British bomber command. "In 1941 Charles Portal of the British Air Staff advocated that entire cities and towns should be bombed. Portal claimed that this would quickly bring about the collapse of civilian morale in Germany. Air Marshall Arthur Harris agreed and when he became head of RAF Bomber Command in February 1942, he introduced a policy of area bombing (known in Germany as terror bombing) where entire cities and towns were targeted." from http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm ""... the question of bombing German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror ... should be reviewed. Otherwise we shall come into control of an utterly ruined land ... The destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of allied bombing ...." Winston Churchill. To compare the bombing of Baghdad to the air raids of the 2nd world war is crass, somebody else used the word asinine. 35,000 people died in Dresden in a couple of nights. Lets try and keep things in perspective. "The US is wrong always." Not always, and when they are wrong they are seldom alone. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"'Association' could cover not only meeting in person, but communicating via email or telephone, " They can take my keyboard, and my phone..... when they pry it from my cold dead fingers! -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"I'm betting it is the freefly handle." Likewise, I have one on my BOC system and I really like it. So my opinions on this before it gets sidetracked into pull out vs BOC (jumped both as well, but prefer BOC). Its always in the same place when I reach for it, and it seems less likely to get caught on stuff as I bum shuffle around wee planes. Your mileage may vary, try someone else's before you make up your mind, and as with all new or unfamiliar gear, build some muscle memory before you try it out for real. Downside is that hackeys and pipe handles are pretty common, so replacing the handle when you replace the PC is not an issue, as will be the case with the puff. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Thank you, thank you very much. I'm here 'til Thursday. Try the veal. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"Still waiting on someone to tell me the role of the Pres/VP in the contracting process..." I'm interested as well, Halliburton pay my wages. The internal stuff we get says its all above board, but you'd expect that. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"I am really puzzled by the saying that the UK doesn't do deal's with Terrorists." I said there was a tradition of not doing deals with terrorists. But it seems my seed of irony has fallen on stony ground.

Have a nice day, insha Allah, y'all. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"what can we do to get back on his good side! " I've got it! Replace the statue of liberty with that one of Saddam that was famously pulled down. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

The Thought Police have dragged him back to Oceania. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"Am I a screwed up individual or what ?" I'll take the 5th on that one. What about Curry, Pizza, etc, anyone in Cardiff that delivers at lunchtime? Your workmates will love ya for it. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Track down a copy of Playboar. http://www.flogworld.com/book/index.cfm Check out the centre spread. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Sadly, our national anthem laments thepweriod when we tried to put the rightful king on the throne. Curiously around about the time when God Save the Queen was written. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3627775.stm This is curious, "The tape also condemned the US-led occupation of Iraq as a money-making scheme for companies making weapons or aiding reconstruction efforts - specifically naming the American firm Halliburton, AP said." No real opinions on this, apart from is it real, and who does he expect to communicate with on the subject? In the UK, there has been a tradition of not doing deals with terrorists. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Likewise.

He won't Narci, he will claim that their intelligence was provided by Blair, who in turn, fabricated it from a student's paper with much use of ctrlC and ctrlV. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

I think you missed the point, John, as Jamile put it, we don't care, so why should you?.

Its quite common, I used to have a camera helmet that had a stills mount which could be rotated in freefall. "I can see how it is fine on the digital cameras as the image can be rotated back to a "normal" view. But this would cause issues with a film camera right?" Well once the pic is printed it can be rotated manually....... Sorry, couldn't resist that. I guess it all depends on the angle and the subject. Most RW lends itself to landscape oriented shots, whereas a lot of freeflying lends itself to portrait format. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

"You don't frighten us, English pig-dog! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person. I blow my nose on you, so-called Arthur-king, you and your silly English kiniggets. I don't want to talk to you, no more, you empty-headed animal, food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries." Possibly the best sequence of insults in cinematographic history. -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson

Congratulations to both of you.

Och, I reckon if we had better gun laws, and more citizens carrying assault weapons for self defence and sporting purposes, we probably wouldn't need as many security cameras...... -------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson